Can we end the Sanju Samson experiment?

[vvvslaxman]

He wrote himself out.  As a batsman he needs a run. It is unfair to give him on and off chances. But as a keeper he looked ridiculously ordinary despite those last 2 catches and appeal. His keeping technique has to improve. He is still a decent batsman. Batting i will give the benefit of doubt as ball held up a bit.

[prudent_kreeda]

For me he looks so much like DK.  Shine in Domestic &  IPL and big Flop at international level even after multiple tries.  

[Frustrated]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He wrote himself out.  As a batsman he needs a run. It is unfair to give him on and off chances. But as a keeper he looked ridiculously ordinary despite those last 2 catches and appeal. His keeping technique has to improve. He is still a decent batsman. Batting i will give the benefit of doubt as ball held up a bit.

His keeping has always been below par.  I watched the last 2 T20 matches against Zim (in which he played)

Had to switch off the TV whenever he dropped a catch or missed a stumping.  Trust me. His keeping skills on display were worse than Kela.    Same today.  His keeping won't improve.  

[Nash]

 Sashi Tharoor said "No"

 

He also said "Sanju Samson, the perennial enigma of Indian cricket. One marvels at his uncanny ability to oscillate between brilliance and bewilderment, leaving aficionados in a perpetual state of anticipation and exasperation. Truly, he is the Shakespearean protagonist of our cricketing saga, where potential and performance engage in a ceaseless tug-of-war, much to the chagrin of his devoted admirers."

[Frustrated]

Just now, Nash said:

 Sashi Tharoor said "No"

 

He also said "Sanju Samson, the perennial enigma of Indian cricket. One marvels at his uncanny ability to oscillate between brilliance and bewilderment, leaving aficionados in a perpetual state of anticipation and exasperation. Truly, he is the Shakespearean protagonist of our cricketing saga, where potential and performance engage in a ceaseless tug-of-war, much to the chagrin of his devoted admirers."

That is GRE/GMAT level English.  I think Sashi Tharoor should quit politics and start teaching GRE/GMAT.   But he won't.    The guy is highly women centric.  LOL

[Nash]

9 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

That is GRE/GMAT level English.  I think Sashi Tharoor should quit politics and start teaching GRE/GMAT.   But he won't.    The guy is highly women centric.  LOL

He didnt say that. I made it up. 

[Frustrated]

2 minutes ago, Nash said:

He didnt say that. I made it up. 

Then I would like to hv u as the future GRE/GMAT teacher for my kid.  

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Iyer is much better than Samson. Also I would rather we give Rinku and Parag a chance in ODIs. At least they can bowl. This one-dimensional Samson is gonna go for a single digit score and done for the day. With Rinku and Parag you get a few overs if needed.

 

I can't see Iyer ever scoring a ton in SA like Samson did. And next WC is there. Yes multi skilled players should be preferred. 

[Ultimate_Game]

54 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I can't see Iyer ever scoring a ton in SA like Samson did. And next WC is there. Yes multi skilled players should be preferred. 

 

Iyer will surprise you. People are making too much about his short ball challenges. In Tests it may be an issue but not in shorter formats where folks like Raina and Yuvraj had a wonderful career. Iyer over Samson any day.

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

Time to put away low battery Samsung or maybe give him another run versus the Tiggers (sic).

What's the worst that can happen

[neel roy]

16 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

For me he looks so much like DK.  Shine in Domestic &  IPL and big Flop at international level even after multiple tries.  

DK was MOM in 2010 Asia Cup Final and then the Nidahas final. He had a big hand to play in the 2007 test series win against England in England with his runs as an opener. DK has 2 ICC trophies. 2007 t20 wc and 2013 CT. So no comparison 

[Praveen 06]

15 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Iyer will surprise you. People are making too much about his short ball challenges. In Tests it may be an issue but not in shorter formats where folks like Raina and Yuvraj had a wonderful career. Iyer over Samson any day.

Clutch player too

[Nash]

11 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Clutch player too

Not sure about clutch player. He is good player and lack certain skills. but his attitude is like Viv 

[tapandrun]

Neither Sanju nor Pant are solutions, both have to be dropped from Intnl white-ball teams. Its v.simple they have to bring some1 else.

Some1 other then them , Kishan, Jitesh and KL. Now is the time they bring some1 out side this group. They have 2 years till next WC get some1 else keeping in mind only position he can bat is 4 to 6, ideally you would want wk to bat in top to resolve the opening issue and of that 3 one should be able to bowl too. But Ind top order is already stacked even VC is playing on borrowed time there. right now Abhishek and Jaiswal looks better option with Abhishek can bowl and Jaiswal use to bowl leg-spins in age groups. 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

18 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Iyer will surprise you. People are making too much about his short ball challenges. In Tests it may be an issue but not in shorter formats where folks like Raina and Yuvraj had a wonderful career. Iyer over Samson any day.

 

Yuvraj wasn't as bad with short stuff. Raina never played well in SA apart from odd T20 knocks

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Yuvraj wasn't as bad with short stuff. Raina never played well in SA apart from odd T20 knocks

Yuvraj had issues with quick bouncer , proper 140+ balls anything lower and not rising sharply he was ok and chest height he will pull or hook.

 

Raina had issues hence he wa never able to graduate to #4 in absence of yuvraj and hence dropped from side. he played at 6 mostly so not many short ball.'

A no.4 can not have that kind of obvious issue or shortcoming

Edited July 31, 2024 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Yuvraj wasn't as bad with short stuff. Raina never played well in SA apart from odd T20 knocks

 

Iyer is much better than Raina and SA pitches are mostly flat. He'll do well. One of the fee ODI batsmen who played with intent in the middle overs. And sometimes this weakness in shorter formats becomes your strength as the bowlers are so intent on bowling short pitched stuff that they give you freebies. And quite a few times they'll use up overs from their strike bowlers in the middle of innings to target the short ball weakness. I would play him at 4.

[Muloghonto]

On 7/30/2024 at 10:49 AM, New guy said:

But comrades, it's about giving everyone an equal chance so that we become a communist utopia. 

Thats overstating it. The process should be, anyone who performs very very well in domestic cricket, should earn callup in international cricket for the said format. If they fail after 8-10 matches, they are done. Barring exceptional talents like a Tendulkar or an Akram, this process should be the go-to process, as it is in places like Australia, England, South Africa,etc.

And this process should come with an expectation of around 50% fail rate - ie, 50% of players who do well in domestic cricket will fail to make their mark in international cricket. 
This is a much more robust method than the Pakistani style 'talunt' based debutants. 

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by Muloghonto

[Gollum]

6 hours ago, neel roy said:

DK was MOM in 2010 Asia Cup Final and then the Nidahas final. He had a big hand to play in the 2007 test series win against England in England with his runs as an opener. DK has 2 ICC trophies. 2007 t20 wc and 2013 CT. So no comparison 

And the 2005 Eden test against Pak. 

 

2007 series in Eng was his peak, deserves respect for that alone. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

And the 2005 Eden test against Pak. 

 

2007 series in Eng was his peak, deserves respect for that alone. 

Should have won the historic Test series in SA as well if only Dravid stupidly did not swap the position of out of form sewhag with DK. DK scored 63 in the first dig as opener. Jaffer made 114. Sehwag was terribly out of form. So they played him in the middle order. He made 40 in the first innings. Then they decided to send him to open again. DK was sent at 7. Sehwag promptly  disposed by Steyn gun. DK ended up with 38 not out

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07-249039/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-249217/full-scorecard