Can we end the Sanju Samson experiment?

[Ultimate_Game]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Should have won the historic Test series in SA as well if only Dravid stupidly did not swap the position of out of form sewhag with DK. DK scored 63 in the first dig as opener. Jaffer made 114. Sehwag was terribly out of form. So they played him in the middle order. He made 40 in the first innings. Then they decided to send him to open again. DK was sent at 7. Sehwag promptly  disposed by Steyn gun. DK ended up with 38 not out

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07-249039/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-249217/full-scorecard

 

Dravid's whole career is made up of such gaffes. WC 2007 disaster where Tendulkar was sent at 4, single-handedly destroying RR in one of the seasons where they had the playoff spot almost sealed for Dravid to experiment and MI beat them by chasing 190 odd in 15 overs and qualifying by hitting 6 as the winning runs. Then everyone remembers "Genius" Dravid pushing for SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, persisting with KS Bharath, forcing SKY in ODIs, and his love for Avesh Khan.

 

And the cherry on top was his attempt at pitch fixing which cost us the WC 2023. Absolutely useless at identifying talent and playing the right player suited to a format. I'm glad we're done with him. Not a single player developed and no innovation whatsoever. He's the KL Rahul of coaches.

Edited August 1, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Dravid's whole career is made up of such gaffess. WC 2007 disaster where Tendulkar was sent at 4, single-handedly destroying RR in one of the seasons where they had the playoff spot almost sealed for Dravid to experiment and MI beat them by chasing 190 odd in 15 overs and qualifying by hitting 6 as the winning runs. Then everyone remembers "Genius" Dravid pushing for SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, persisting with KS Bharath, forcing SKY in ODIs, and his love for Avesh Khan.

 

And the cherry on top was his attempt at pitch fixing which cost us the WC 2023. Absolutely useless at identifying talent and playing the right player suited to a format. I'm glad we're done with him. Not a single player developed and no innovation whatsoever. He's the KL Rahul of coaches.

 

Yea. In an attempt to "maximizing" the output he over complicated things. 

[New guy]

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Thats overstating it. The process should be, anyone who performs very very well in domestic cricket, should earn callup in international cricket for the said format. If they fail after 8-10 matches, they are done. Barring exceptional talents like a Tendulkar or an Akram, this process should be the go-to process, as it is in places like Australia, England, South Africa,etc.

And this process should come with an expectation of around 50% fail rate - ie, 50% of players who do well in domestic cricket will fail to make their mark in international cricket. 
This is a much more robust method than the Pakistani style 'talunt' based debutants. 

 

I was joking but I agree. We have a huge pool of talent today and can afford to give many players a chance.

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Should have won the historic Test series in SA as well if only Dravid stupidly did not swap the position of out of form sewhag with DK. DK scored 63 in the first dig as opener. Jaffer made 114. Sehwag was terribly out of form. So they played him in the middle order. He made 40 in the first innings. Then they decided to send him to open again. DK was sent at 7. Sehwag promptly  disposed by Steyn gun. DK ended up with 38 not out

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07-249039/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-249217/full-scorecard

Crazy, why would we do that? 

Edited August 1, 2024 by Gollum

[New guy]

7 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Dravid's whole career is made up of such gaffes. WC 2007 disaster where Tendulkar was sent at 4, single-handedly destroying RR in one of the seasons where they had the playoff spot almost sealed for Dravid to experiment and MI beat them by chasing 190 odd in 15 overs and qualifying by hitting 6 as the winning runs. Then everyone remembers "Genius" Dravid pushing for SKY in Tests ahead of Sarfaraz, persisting with KS Bharath, forcing SKY in ODIs, and his love for Avesh Khan.

 

And the cherry on top was his attempt at pitch fixing which cost us the WC 2023. Absolutely useless at identifying talent and playing the right player suited to a format. I'm glad we're done with him. Not a single player developed and no innovation whatsoever. He's the KL Rahul of coaches.

And him making Kohli open nearly cost us the cup, Kohli was a passenger the entire series and his final knock almost cost up the cup. We won despite that move, not because of it.

[Adamant]

10 minutes ago, New guy said:

And him making Kohli open nearly cost us the cup, Kohli was a passenger the entire series and his final knock almost cost up the cup. We won despite that move, not because of it.

If you remove Kohlis innings from that match we would have lost by a big margin.

 

Anyone who understands cricket knows this much, there is no sample space of Pandya taking us to 200 from 40-4.

 

I know you feel this complulsion to berate this knock as Sachin always failed in finals so f icc trophies and you don’t want Kohli to have that over him.

But you have already failed, Kohli has retired as the GOAT T20 player and also the biggest reason of cricket being accepted in Olympics. He is amongst the Immortals of cricket 

[Praveen 06]

17 minutes ago, Adamant said:

If you remove Kohlis innings from that match we would have lost by a big margin.

 

Anyone who understands cricket knows this much, there is no sample space of Pandya taking us to 200 from 40-4.

 

I know you feel this complulsion to berate this knock as Sachin always failed in finals so f icc trophies and you don’t want Kohli to have that over him.

But you have already failed, Kohli has retired as the GOAT T20 player and also the biggest reason of cricket being accepted in Olympics. He is amongst the Immortals of cricket 

Ignore him. He is tendu fan, tendu failed in 2 finals. Kohli mcg knock vs pak > any innings of tendu In icc events

Edited August 1, 2024 by Praveen 06

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

11 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Dravid's whole career is made up of such gaffes.  He's the KL Rahul of coaches.

How do we save ourselves from all these Rahuls  who strut around like peacocks but back down like a mouse at the first sign of trouble.?

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, New guy said:

And him making Kohli open nearly cost us the cup, Kohli was a passenger the entire series and his final knock almost cost up the cup. We won despite that move, not because of it.

 

He should not have opened at all. Rohit and Jaiswal were the perfect openers with Kohli at 3. You're correct we won despite that innings and not because of it. I'm just glad Dravid is gone.

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Crazy, why would we do that? 

 Karthik was the keeper and after keeping 130 plus overs it would be insane to ask that guy to open.

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

If you remove Kohlis innings from that match we would have lost by a big margin.

 

Anyone who understands cricket knows this much, there is no sample space of Pandya taking us to 200 from 40-4.

 

I know you feel this complulsion to berate this knock as Sachin always failed in finals so f icc trophies and you don’t want Kohli to have that over him.

But you have already failed, Kohli has retired as the GOAT T20 player and also the biggest reason of cricket being accepted in Olympics. He is amongst the Immortals of cricket 

No need to justify Kohli's greatness to morons.

 

Kohli is the GOAT whiteball batsman and he does not need any validation from idiots.

[vvvslaxman]

16 hours ago, Gollum said:

Crazy, why would we do that? 

overthinking.  India might have put up a better score in 3rd innings but for this crazy move. There was a realistic chance of winning a series in SA. That too against ATG South Afircan team. Imagine the legacy. Team management utterly ruined it.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

overthinking.  India might have put up a better score in 3rd innings but for this crazy move. There was a realistic chance of winning a series in SA. That too against ATG South Afircan team. Imagine the legacy. Team management utterly ruined it.

 

Not for the first time. Last to last series we should've won had we replaced out of form Pujara and Rahane. But we continued to persist with them. We had won the first match and had the series for the taking and still lost it due to poor team selections as usual continuing with TTFs. We had so many chances in SA but we wasted them. Hopefully Gambhir wouldn't put up with TTF and seniority culture.