Duleep Trophy

[raki05]

On 8/15/2024 at 4:55 PM, Lone Wolf said:

Extremely disappointed that Sen is missing yet again due to fitness/injury reasons.

This was a critical tournament for him especially at his age.

 

Simarjeet should have been tried over Kamboj or Awasthi.   I mean it is extremely weird that a CSK player is. Not even in scheme of things despite doing well in IPL.

Looks like these chewts have completely decided to topple Tyagi Career like Nagarkotti. He is not selected in his domestic team, duleep trophy and even in ipl mohitsharma, darshan nalkande play ahead of him. Pathetic management by bcci in terms of grooming young potential. What is surprising this jaleel and gruntler khan have never failed to amaze bcci inspite of persistent kutai at international matches.

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

They should have played him in Zim/SL tour this is wasting time and opportunity not giving these players chances.

Not many 145+ kmph bowlers have long careers/no. of balls bowled and since these kind of bowlers (including Umran/mayank/tyagi/sen etc.. high pace) have not played against top batters they tend to get easy wkts in domestic circuits owing to lack of ability of domestic batters to handle pace and bounce.

 

So its imperative that these kind of bowlers are given chances along side settled bowling side against the top batters so that they can improve and add skills to use their extra pace or bounce. Play them when you have bhumrah and shami as when there is pressure these top bowlers can guide them and tell them what to do when under pressure.

 

Posted this on other thread too::

 

Coregoup -

Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj, Akash deep, Singh, Rana, Umran, Mayank, Simarjeet, Tyagi (rated highly here by some, still to show case a good season in any tournament), Himanshu (need to check his pace),Sen

 

Out side core group-

Mukesh kumar, Mukesh Choudhary, Dayal, Avesh, Khaleel, Arora, Mohsin, Arsad, Yudhvir, Sakib (KKr camp is excited about him at least their SM handles) and then there could be people like Avinash Singh (RCB pick think he was not in IPL auctions last time due to injury),Kaverappa, Pradish 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its extremely frustrating and disappointing to not groom such high potential bowlers..jitna bhi gaalia dein utni kam hain..they will give ample chances to Mukesh Avesh in th epast.but not even one match to Harshit..WTF

[Sgattick10]

Indian selectors like  so called indian cricket analysts like trundlers and line and length bowlers unfortunately. Bumrah is an exception not the norm. It was Virat, Shastri and bharat who wanted fast bowlers in the team. I hope Gambhir and Morkel do the same and encourage and groom fast bowlers. We need to give chances to Akash Deep, Simarjeet, Mayank and Tyagi and not the likes if Mukesh, Avesh and Unadcut 

[raki05]

14 hours ago, tapandrun said:

They should have played him in Zim/SL tour this is wasting time and opportunity not giving these players chances.

Not many 145+ kmph bowlers have long careers/no. of balls bowled and since these kind of bowlers (including Umran/mayank/tyagi/sen etc.. high pace) have not played against top batters they tend to get easy wkts in domestic circuits owing to lack of ability of domestic batters to handle pace and bounce.

 

So its imperative that these kind of bowlers are given chances along side settled bowling side against the top batters so that they can improve and add skills to use their extra pace or bounce. Play them when you have bhumrah and shami as when there is pressure these top bowlers can guide them and tell them what to do when under pressure.

 

Posted this on other thread too::

 

Coregoup -

Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj, Akash deep, Singh, Rana, Umran, Mayank, Simarjeet, Tyagi (rated highly here by some, still to show case a good season in any tournament), Himanshu (need to check his pace),Sen

 

Out side core group-

Mukesh kumar, Mukesh Choudhary, Dayal, Avesh, Khaleel, Arora, Mohsin, Arsad, Yudhvir, Sakib (KKr camp is excited about him at least their SM handles) and then there could be people like Avinash Singh (RCB pick think he was not in IPL auctions last time due to injury),Kaverappa, Pradish 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your’s outside coregroup bowlers are main bowler for bcci after Bumrah and Shami. Mukesh, Avesh , Khaleel are main backip bowlers, When bumrah and Shami are not playing these are the ones bcci fall back to since Dravid era coaching.

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

Your’s outside coregroup bowlers are main bowler for bcci after Bumrah and Shami. Mukesh, Avesh , Khaleel are main backip bowlers, When bumrah and Shami are not playing these are the ones bcci fall back to since Dravid era coaching.

Thats the issue TM is investing in low-potential players , all these are tried and tested and now being recycled bowlers. What has changed or improved with Khaleel/Avesh since they were dropped.

 

The replacements have to be upgrades or show have high-potential, there could be some some-gap arrangements in between but are Khaleel/Avesh/Mukesh any uprade on Umesh/Ishant ?? are they high potential ??? its due to short sightedness for the replacements and creating bench in last 3/4 years.

 

Khaleel/Avesh/Mukesh/Singh are all 140ish bowlers in white-ball, think inclusion/selection has to do something with some kind of data which says these kind of 140kmph bowlers with some ability to bowl Yorkers does not go for runs in t20s.

 

These kind of bowlers do not serve well in test cricket or in white-ball cricket cricket for longterm as 1/2 injury can hamper the ability to reach 140ish kmph speeds and ability to bowl good yorkers.

 

Its okay to give them chances in t20s , as no-one knows what kind of bowler works in t20s unless they are some kind of mystery or malinga kind of bowlers who are wkt takers and economical at the same time. The other options coaches suggest are variations but those variations become usual stuff after 2/3 seasons and batters are able to hit then that could be that batters are getting better and stronger or they have some kind of data which predicts what kind of variation are used by certain bowlers.

 

In test and in longterm the bolwer should have pace, bounce and Zip and then skill can  be added or gained  with exp.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

18 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Indian selectors like  so called indian cricket analysts like trundlers and line and length bowlers unfortunately. Bumrah is an exception not the norm. It was Virat, Shastri and bharat who wanted fast bowlers in the team. I hope Gambhir and Morkel do the same and encourage and groom fast bowlers. We need to give chances to Akash Deep, Simarjeet, Mayank and Tyagi and not the likes if Mukesh, Avesh and Unadcut 

Even many bkls here drool over line and length pseudo swing specialists

[Sgattick10]

7 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Even many bkls here drool over line and length pseudo swing specialists

Ek toh apna naam bhi wohi rakha hain 

[coffee_rules]

Yeh Kya bawasir schedule hain.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/duleep-trophy-2024-25-1445823

Last match ends on Sept 23.

First test against BD is on:
Sept 19. So, all the team players selected for Duleep Tro[hy will not play in the first test?

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Yeh Kya bawasir schedule hain.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/duleep-trophy-2024-25-1445823

Last match ends on Sept 23.

First test against BD is on:
Sept 19. So, all the team players selected for Duleep Tro[hy will not play in the first test?

They will only play 1 Duleep Trophy game before Test series as per Vicky Paaji

Likes of Jaiswal  Kela Jurel Jadeja Kuldeep Sarfaraz Gill Siraj types.

[nitinbwj]

5 sep,12 sep and 19 sep.... WTF kind of a schedule is this ?

[nitinbwj]

I really liked those Ind A and B matches, Ind blue,Ind Red where the regular players also participated 

[tapandrun]

Mohammed Siraj and Umran Malik have been ruled out of the first round of the Duleep Trophy because of illness. Navdeep Saini has replaced Siraj in the India B squad, while Gaurav Yadav has come in for Malik in the India C squad. Ravindra Jadeja, meanwhile, has also been released from the India B squad, though no reason has been provided for the update. No replacement has been named for him either.

 

Cricinfo

[singhvivek141]

58 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Mohammed Siraj and Umran Malik have been ruled out of the first round of the Duleep Trophy because of illness. Navdeep Saini has replaced Siraj in the India B squad, while Gaurav Yadav has come in for Malik in the India C squad. Ravindra Jadeja, meanwhile, has also been released from the India B squad, though no reason has been provided for the update. No replacement has been named for him either.

 

Cricinfo

Navdeep Saini is already 32 years old..what we will achieve now by playing him ?

Same is true for Gaurav Yadav, he too is at early 30's...where is the vision by BCCI ?

 

Instead of having a long term approach, we are going for short term gains.

[Lone Wolf]

Simarjeet ignored once again.  Dude is cursed simply.  Gaurav Yadav is a Has been like Saini with no chance of playing for India.

Brain dead selections.

[tapandrun]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Navdeep Saini is already 32 years old..what we will achieve now by playing him ?

Same is true for Gaurav Yadav, he too is at early 30's...where is the vision by BCCI ?

 

Instead of having a long term approach, we are going for short term gains.

v.poor choice get some younger bowlers, their days are gone. but who else they have who has played 4/5 days games.

Is  there  any point of playing only t20/one day bowlers in Duleep trophy?? Playing/picking Mukesh/Avesh/Unadkat and having Saini in A sides have got the bench down to this.

Hearing that Shami may not be fit for Aus test #1, they are looking at Singh, Krishna and Khaleel as the 4th fast bowler in Aus tour- Bhumrah,Shami, Siraj  and  Singh/Krishna/ Khaleel. And if that is the case Ind will have 3 fast bowler Bhumrah, Shami , Krishna who will be returning from the injury

 

 

 

Edited August 27 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Simarjeet ignored once again.  Dude is cursed simply.  Gaurav Yadav is a Has been like Saini with no chance of playing for India.

Brain dead selections.

Simarjeet is not a regular feature in Del. red ball cricket only 13 FC matches. Sen, Simarjeet, Umran, Mayank, Rana, Akash Deep etc. should be in Odi plans asap.

See if they can bowl 10 over in few series and then gradually start getting them to Test cricket  This should have been done 1/2 years ago

 

Edited August 27 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

v.poor choice get some younger bowlers, their days are gone. but who else they have who has played 4/5 days games.

Is  there  any point of playing only t20/one day bowlers in Duleep trophy?? Playing/picking Mukesh/Avesh/Unadkat and having Saini in A sides have got the bench down to this.

Hearing that Shami may not be fit for Aus test #1, they are looking at Singh, Krishna and Khaleel as the 4th fast bowler in Aus tour- Bhumrah,Shami, Siraj  and  Singh/Krishna/ Khaleel. And if that is the case Ind will have 3 fast bowler Bhumrah, Shami , Krishna who will be returning from the injury

 

 

Does anyone know what happened to Rajvardhan Hangargekar ?

He has simply vanished since last year...nowhere to be seen.

 

On one side, we cry for the lack of batting depth as the reason for playing Shardul as no 8. While the likes of Harshit & Rajvardhan who can bat are not given a game yet.

[tapandrun]

8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Does anyone know what happened to Rajvardhan Hangargekar ?

He has simply vanished since last year...nowhere to be seen.

 

On one side, we cry for the lack of batting depth as the reason for playing Shardul as no 8. While the likes of Harshit & Rajvardhan who can bat are not given a game yet.

Played MPL t20 league was rushing batters with pace and bounce, but still wayward 

[singhvivek141]

30 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Played MPL t20 league was rushing batters with pace and bounce, but still wayward 

 

Waywardness is a perennial problem. Not sure how to get rid of it. Except Bumrah & Shami none of our quicks have control on their lines.

[tweaker]

 Sanjay Manjrekar suggested that "well-rested"  Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Jasprit Bumrah should have been included in the first round of the Duleep Trophy.