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Ultimate_Game Grand Master

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18 hours ago, Jaydev_Unadkat said:

Where did I say any of this? Prove it

 

 

The problem is people want Umran, Tyagi etc to be given chances even without showing any performances other than the once in a blue moon. But if a medium pacer is skilled, no matter how skilled he is or how he has forced his way through the system - they will be mocked even before playing a single game.

Take Mukesh for example. Yes he has been ordinary, but his selection was on merit. He forced his way through with consistent performances in FC cricket. But even before he got a chance, we had experts making fun of him here because in your imaginary world a player who cnt even perform in lower leagues should be played ahead of him.

WE have Mayank who cant even play 3 games without getting injured and people want selectors to pick him for Internation cricket. LOL

This was the case with Prasidh Krishna hyped to the moon coz he apparently was the second coming of Gillespie. Turned out he is worse than Ishant Sharma on his worst days. 

 

This I fully agree with. Performance trumps all, and any bowler who's performing well should be given a chance.

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Ultimate_Game Grand Master

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On 8/23/2024 at 9:44 AM, tapandrun said:

Done not sure, but yes he is not in the plan for Ind TM and selectors, first he needs to play some games.

Find a stable IPL team and now how the selections are made that franchise should back him or lobby for him into Ind team.

 

This is v.much the selection process now , not just for him but any1 else. Only Mukesh Kumar was selected directly to Ind team in all 3 formats before he played for any IPL team.

 

 

 

 

 

Becoming more and more difficult for him. Hope BCCI makes sure Mayank isn't lost, and they back others like Akash Deep, Simarjit, Harshit Rana etc. There's enough talent but the selectors and BCCI need to make sure the fast bowlers are looked after. Don't want folks to be lost the same way as Tyagi or Nagakoti & Mavi.

 

Hell, we even lost a talent like Netravalkar. He has a much higher ceiling than Arshdeep and takes wkts with the new ball consistently. We let someone like him slip through our fingers despite him playing at u-19 level.

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12 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Becoming more and more difficult for him. Hope BCCI makes sure Mayank isn't lost, and they back others like Akash Deep, Simarjit, Harshit Rana etc. There's enough talent but the selectors and BCCI need to make sure the fast bowlers are looked after. Don't want folks to be lost the same way as Tyagi or Nagakoti & Mavi.

 

Hell, we even lost a talent like Netravalkar. He has a much higher ceiling than Arshdeep and takes wkts with the new ball consistently. We let someone like him slip through our fingers despite him playing at u-19 level.

We didn't let him slip. He chose America over cricket.

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22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We didn't let him slip. He chose America over cricket.

 

Coz he didn't see any future here. We're poor in identifying and managing talent. Case in point someone like Avesh getting unlimited chances despite his ceiling being so low. Or Siraj played in every format when it's so clear to anyone who understands cricket that he's not a white-ball bowler and shoudl stick to Tests. Or likes of Dube touted as pace all-rounders. And we have likes of Harshit Rana, Akash Deep, Venky Iyer, and possibly Nitish Reddy sitting on the sidelines trying to get even a single game.

 

Or someone like Abhishek dropped after scoring a 40 ball 100. Obviously if you get a chance to move to a better future, you would than rely on the whims of Indian selectors. Unless you've the right backing, you can't get chances which likes of Avesh, Dube, Ruturaj, Siraj etc. get. Don't blame Netravalkar walking away from it.

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13 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Becoming more and more difficult for him. Hope BCCI makes sure Mayank isn't lost, and they back others like Akash Deep, Simarjit, Harshit Rana etc. There's enough talent but the selectors and BCCI need to make sure the fast bowlers are looked after. Don't want folks to be lost the same way as Tyagi or Nagakoti & Mavi.

 

Hell, we even lost a talent like Netravalkar. He has a much higher ceiling than Arshdeep and takes wkts with the new ball consistently. We let someone like him slip through our fingers despite him playing at u-19 level.

Netravalkar is 32 yo Singh is 24+ yo there is no comparison in their timelines.  Netravalkar was not Intnl quality and he perused his study logically.

They were at right place and right time for their own good. Singh was not Ind's 1st choice bowler but the emergence of LAF as potent wkt takers in T20s and injury to Mohsin and lack of performance from umran got him his chance into T20is where he has done well.

 

Not sure why Tyagi is rated to highly here by some, he has all the ingredients but there is only 1 IPL over that any1 can recall of him performing. He hardly plays domestic cricket, changes action every second season, GT was his 3/4 team and he has not played more than 5 games per IPL season after that 1st season. 

 

Nagarkoti never had a Ind intnl career in him due to his height unless he develops some batting skills and come as 140+ kmph bowler who has batting good batting skills.

 

Mavi got his chance to play for Ind but he was sub 130 kmph bowler and that too in T20s and is injured v.often.

Both Mavi and Nagarkoti had the U-19 wc wave with them but they got injured and then Ind developed a v.good fast bowling unit and now when Ind is looks for replacements these are no good. Nagarkoti hardly played any cricket in 2/3 years, Mavi has dropped his pace and nothing special about him now .

 

 

Ind cricketing circuit is v.crictical of any1 trying to bowl bit fast you can see this in their commentary in domestics, if faster bowlers are not promoted in domestic to learn from their mistakes and know how to use their pace they will alway be under-confidence.

 

The system has promoted shorter sub 140 kmph, ra/la nothing kind of bowlers and once they get into intnl cricket they fail to perform as there is no pace, no skill to trouble the intnl quality batters on decent intnl level pitches. Then these kind of bowlers tries to build pace once entering the intnl cricket or try to push themselves to bowl bit faster and after couple of season they get injured due to the fact they do not have this kind of repetition and that kind of pace and after injury they look for longevity and start bowling same sub 140 kmph.

 

Not saying 140+ kmph is some kind of bench mark but need pace of intnl level these days, pace plus accuracy  

 

 

  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Not sure why Tyagi is rated to highly here by some, he has all the ingredients but there is only 1 IPL over that any1 can recall of him performing. He hardly plays domestic cricket, changes action every second season, GT was his 3/4 team and he has not played more than 5 games per IPL season after that 1st season. 

 

 

Tyagi was backed because he wasn't scared of the stage.

He was aggressive and confident in U19 WC. I think he immediately played few IPL games after it as well...never looked scared of the occasion and was ready to lock horns.

He went to Australia as well and impressed many with his pace & bounce. 

 

In a young fast bowler, these are some attributes which I would like to see. Many bowlers just look hopeless and confused when under attack, Tyagi never gave that vibe. Mayank too gives that vibe at this moment, looks confident in his own abilities. 

 

Ofcourse, him not playing and missing games is altogether a different issue. 

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26 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Tyagi was backed because he wasn't scared of the stage.

He was aggressive and confident in U19 WC. I think he immediately played few IPL games after it as well...never looked scared of the occasion and was ready to lock horns.

He went to Australia as well and impressed many with his pace & bounce. 

 

In a young fast bowler, these are some attributes which I would like to see. Many bowlers just look hopeless and confused when under attack, Tyagi never gave that vibe. Mayank too gives that vibe at this moment, looks confident in his own abilities. 

 

Ofcourse, him not playing and missing games is altogether a different issue. 

All this have to transform in to performance sometime, coming through the proper cricketing system and U19 background he should have been able to make it up side and  get regular games

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Tyagi has got all ingredients for a great fast bowler..I am as much frustrated as others are..

I and probably others rated him highly due to his higher ceiling..thats why the backing..rest all depends on him how much serious,hard working and focussed he is..towards his fitness,consistency and improvements..

apart from that there is also favoritism in selection etc that I dont know much about..

 

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

UPTL first match, first innings. Vasu Vats and Vijay Kumar both bowled 135 or more. Vijay Kumar was sharper with quickest at 141 though he is a short guy.  Both young guys about 21.

Did you notice some swing..if he can swing the ball at high pace thats fine too

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