'Asia Cup thrashing against India started the downfall of Pakistani fast bowlers' - Ramiz Raja

[Number]

To be fair Kohli never had problems against Shaheen or other Pakistani pacers. He played Shaheen quite well in 2021 T20 WC match, even hit him for a 6 during his new ball spell when other batters just couldn't handle him.

Then everyone knows about 2022 T20 match where he played a goat knock.

 

[Ultimate_Game]

10 hours ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

Ponting also came in at 120 and took the score to 369. 2003 final 

 

That was the WC final and after the onslaught by Hayden and Gilchrist, it was a matter of margin of defeat for India. In fact after Zaheer's implosion in the first over, it was all downhill. Still can't understand why Ganguly chose to field as we weren't great chasers then and couldn't really handle pressure - it was one one of the 9 finals Ganguly lost as a captain. Our best bet was to bat first and put up a score rather than chase against likes of McGrath and Lee.

[MechEng]

28 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That was the WC final and after the onslaught by Hayden and Gilchrist, it was a matter of margin of defeat for India. In fact after Zaheer's implosion in the first over, it was all downhill. Still can't understand why Ganguly chose to field as we weren't great chasers then and couldn't really handle pressure - it was one one of the 9 finals Ganguly lost as a captain. Our best bet was to bat first and put up a score rather than chase against likes of McGrath and Lee.

 

It was a correct decision when you factor that majority of our famous wins, be it the Sharjah games against Australia, 2002 Natwest finals and the game against Pakistan at Centurion, all won through chasing.

 

Just that Ganguly was hoping to restrict Australia to not more than 270, got hammered instead, 359/2 before T20 era was some serious tonking. 

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

It was a correct decision when you factor that majority of our famous wins, be it the Sharjah games against Australia, 2002 Natwest finals and the game against Pakistan at Centurion, all won through chasing.

 

Just that Ganguly was hoping to restrict Australia to not more than 270, got hammered instead, 359/2 before T20 era was some serious tonking. 

It wasn't, even a 250 target against Aus that too in a final would have been 90-10 in favour of Aus

Had he batted first and set a target even around the same 270

It would have been more interesting than the one sided affair that actually happened

He was scared after that 125 all out against them in the league phase

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That was the WC final and after the onslaught by Hayden and Gilchrist, it was a matter of margin of defeat for India. In fact after Zaheer's implosion in the first over, it was all downhill. Still can't understand why Ganguly chose to field as we weren't great chasers then and couldn't really handle pressure - it was one one of the 9 finals Ganguly lost as a captain. Our best bet was to bat first and put up a score rather than chase against likes of McGrath and Lee.

Because we made 125 while batting first against them in the same WC

[Adamant]

13 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Shows all about your cricketing acumen... Bigging up a player who came in when openers had already scored 120 in 16 overs. If a no. 3 can't even capitalize on that, they should quit.

 

Unfortunately the said player was nowhere to be seen when was needed in 2015 SF, 2019 WC SF, 2023 Final when a contribution was actually needed.

He was seen in 2023 semies, highest scorer from our side in 2023 finals, 2024 t20 finals, 2014 semis, 2014 finals, 2013 ct finals, 2013 ct semis, 2016 t20 semis, 2016 virtual quarter vs aus, so shut your trap 

 

Unfortunately you are an idiot and a beta male.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

 

 

Unfortunately you are an idiot and a beta male.

Was waiting for the Kohli simp to come and name call. It's hilarious how the blind simp is calling others beta etc.

 

Dude the biggest sign of a beta is how he simps for other males to this extent. You clearly consider Kohli your alpha and you are his beta slave. 

 

Your projection is hilarious. 

Edited August 28 by New guy

[New guy]

3 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

It was a correct decision when you factor that majority of our famous wins, be it the Sharjah games against Australia, 2002 Natwest finals and the game against Pakistan at Centurion, all won through chasing.

 

Just that Ganguly was hoping to restrict Australia to not more than 270, got hammered instead, 359/2 before T20 era was some serious tonking. 

Dude world cup finals are not NatWest or league games where chasing works. 

 

270 would still have been winning score for Australia 

 

You know how many times 300+ has been chased in any world cup or CT finals? ZERO 

 

Do you know how many times 275+ has been chased in world cup or CT finals? ZERO

 

Do you know how many times 250+ has been chased in world cup or CT finals? ONCE 

 

You NEVER chase in a world cup final unless it's a doctored pitch like the one in 2023 final

 

Edited August 28 by New guy

[Adamant]

14 minutes ago, New guy said:

Was waiting for the Kohli simp to come and name call. It's hilarious how the blind simp is calling others beta etc.

 

Dude the biggest sign of a beta is how he simps for other males to this extent. You clearly consider Kohli your alpha and you are his beta slave. 

 

Your projection is hilarious. 

Recohnising someones greatness is not beta, its manly.

Meanwhile getting jealous and showing your incapability to concede defeat is a traif of betas like you.

 

Btw how are you talking here, you are a blind follower of a 5 foot 2 inch man who has no aura.

[Adamant]

16 minutes ago, New guy said:

Was waiting for the Kohli simp to come and name call. It's hilarious how the blind simp is calling others beta etc.

 

Dude the biggest sign of a beta is how he simps for other males to this extent. You clearly consider Kohli your alpha and you are his beta slave. 

 

Your projection is hilarious. 

The question is why did it hurt uou and your ilk.

Kohli was easily the best batsman in that game as evidenced by his score str rate and MOTM, but you guys still need to show your beta traits. You lost man, its plain and simple, you keep on losing, that t20 WC final knock has already given you guys enough sleepless nights, that combined with his GOAT world cup performance has made you guys grovel.

[Adamant]

19 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Nope...it was Shubhman Gill. He stepped out and took charge against Shaheen Afridi and thrashed him all over the park.

 

Kohli took advantage the next day of an already depleted bowling attack missing Haris Rauf due to injury.

 

I am a Kohli fan too but no need to brag him everytime

Your advice is not needed here.

 

Do you respond when he gets blind hatred on every topic here  despite being our best batsman for a ver a decade?

 

There are hardly a few posts here where he is praised, so no he is bot bragged everytime actually he is ridiculed most of yhe time.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That toss decision is scrutinised too much. We were never beating that GOAT Aussie ODI side no matter what. 

 

Probably would've been a closer match if we had batted first but that's about it . 

[R!TTER]

There was a small chance but it was blown up as soon as Zaheer bowled the first over, it was not impossible 

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, Adamant said:

He was seen in 2023 semies, highest scorer from our side in 2023 finals, 2024 t20 finals, 2014 semis, 2014 finals, 2013 ct finals, 2013 ct semis, 2016 t20 semis, 2016 virtual quarter vs aus, so shut your trap 

 

Unfortunately you are an idiot and a beta male.

 

A lousy 50 after getting a start of 80/1 in 10 overs and getting the team to 240 is not something to brag about. The fact is Kohli hasn't made a difference at all. He could be out of the team with absolutely no difference just like the recent SL ODI series.

 

In fact when he left the team like in 2020-21 in Aus or recent home series against Eng, the Indian team actually looked much better and played as a team. Thank god he decided to run away from that Aus series for our greatest Test series win 

[Ultimate_Game]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

Your advice is not needed here.

 

Do you respond when he gets blind hatred on every topic here  despite being our best batsman for a ver a decade?

 

There are hardly a few posts here where he is praised, so no he is bot bragged everytime actually he is ridiculed most of yhe time.

 

 

"Best batsman in the last decade" couldn't make a difference even once when it mattered. No matter we ended up with 0 tourneys. Would rather have likes of Gambhir or Travis Head who actually show up when it counted.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, Haarkarjeetgaye said:

Because we made 125 while batting first against them in the same WC

 

Same fallacy in thinking which Kohli used to make as a captain. Just because a game didn't go your way, just like SL match in CT 2017 he decided to field on a patta in the final.

 

Batting first was the only decent option we had in a final. In finals pressure does crazy things and scoreboard pressure is unlike what you see in group matches or in bilaterals. The reason our so called "best batting" and "best batsman of the decade" in Kohli used to chase anything in bilaterals and when it came to must-win matches in WC, he failed every single time.

 

There's a reason why the highest successful chase in a ODI WC is still 270 odd by India (thanks to Gambhir & Dhoni). And that team in 2003 wasn't that good at chasing either. That changed with the arrival of Dhoni in mid 2000s where Dhoni, Yuvraj and to an extent Raina made us into a chasing powerhouse. IIRC we had a record at one time with max no. of consecutive successful run chases. But even then we didn't decide to chase in finals. In WT20 2007 we batted first, in CT 2013 we did so as well and in WC 2011 Dhoni wanted to bat first before the toss fiasco where Sangakarra literally cheated at the toss. Point being that despite a team good at chasing, Dhoni understood that in finals that's a huge risk and runs in the bank matter a lot. Ganguly OTOH decided to chase against likes of McGrath, Lee etc. despite our team not known for chasing. An idiotic decision to say the least when history of the WC showed batting first is the way to go in the finals.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Unfortunately you are an idiot and a beta male.

 

You're giving a very Trump and JD Vance vibe. We all know the type of people who call themselves alpha and others beta 

 

Now go and lick Kohli's @$$ some more... it's not gonna clean itself 

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

That toss decision is scrutinised too much. We were never beating that GOAT Aussie ODI side no matter what. 

 

Probably would've been a closer match if we had batted first but that's about it . 

 

We may have lost but you've to give yourself the best chance to succeed. And for us it was batting first and putting up a total on board. Something like 270-280 is not easy to chase in a final as scoreboard pressure does funny things in a final. There's a reason 270 odd is the highest score successfully chased in a WC final. Asking that Aussie lineup (Gilchrist, Hayden, Martyn, Ponting etc.) to bat first on a patta was idiotic.

[Adamant]

37 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

"Best batsman in the last decade" couldn't make a difference even once when it mattered. No matter we ended up with 0 tourneys. Would rather have likes of Gambhir or Travis Head who actually show up when it counted.

I have already posted how many times he made a difference in Ko you chose to ignore it because you are a loser and have zero cricketing iq.

 

You know if you came into a proper fact based debate you will get ass whopped by me, just repeating and reiterating lies will only earn you followers on this low iq forum where insecure beta males like you get jealous over whatever Kohli does.

[Ultimate_Game]

10 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I have already posted how many times he made a difference in Ko you chose to ignore it because you are a loser and have zero cricketing iq.

 

You know if you came into a proper fact based debate you will get ass whopped by me, just repeating and reiterating lies will only earn you followers on this low iq forum where insecure beta males like you get jealous over whatever Kohli does.

 

The result of said "difference" over the last decade was 0 trophies despite being backed by our best bowling lineup in our history. Kohli and our top order choking in knockouts is the reason likes of Bumrah and Shami don't have much to show for it.

 

But thanks to Kohli running away from Aus in 2020-21, at least we were able to have our best Test series win else it would've been a lost decade thanks to "King" Kohli. Thanks for these small mercies. Hope he gets Anushka pregnant one more time before the Aus series or decides to take one more of his usual "breaks"