What is this recent hate against India/Indians on Twitter/SM

[zen]

8 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

X is right now a complete Warzone between Indians and wignats/ White nationalists and alt right handles of Musk lol...

Full sapppoot saaar low IQ dumb Indians finally realising how these wignats think of them.

 

Now hopefully overseas Indians start forming their own groups and teach them a lesson like Blacks and Arabs do.

More Indian illegal immigrants are need of the hour

 

Not many take wignats seriously. Many of these wignats are losers in life, trying out ways to feel self important. 

It is just that these losers have found another group of losers (a brainless insecure bunch seeking self worth themselves, let’s call them - brown nationalists) far away from their home to kill time and feel self important. 

This is sad or comical (depending on how you look at it), if sensible folks get carried away by such nonsense.

To give credence to their cause, these brown nationalists are probably trying to frame this as India v wignats, when it is brown nationalists v wignats.

I will maintain that the biggest harm done to India is by Indians themselves. 

 

 

PS currently many areas of my city are under water:

 

Reasons for such incidences include:

 

* Releasing water from a dam during rains and without warning.

* Construction on river beds, which have turned broad rivers into thin canals. The natural out flow streams where if a lake overflows, the water naturally flows into another lake have been blocked due to human activities. 

* Inadequate drainage and waste management system.

* General incompetence and aversion to using common sense.

^ These are among the pressing issues for India!

 

Edited September 1 by zen

[zen]

A big issue for India is the 9 to 5 office working, relatively educated, population as:

 

* Many do not work efficiently. During work hours, they can spend time looking for other jobs, on social media, cricket, etc. (Basically, anything but the job).

 

* Many devote their lives to criticizing others including their bosses, govt, the rich (the likes of Ambani are their favorite targets), system, etc., while doing nothing themselves to change the situation (as if spending time at the office is all the work that needs to be done and voting equals working towards driving a change where all responsibilities are passed on to the govt).

 

* Because tax is deducted from their salaries, they think that they are patriotic, for at least they are paying taxes, which in turn probably gives them a right to act brazenly, losing the point of their own education. 


A large percent of spam on social media is probably from this group, along with those not working. When many of these guys come on social media, what they represent (India for e.g.) automatically becomes a target for anti-social elements elsewhere. 


There was a tweet posted here where a “pizza delivery” boy was made fun off by implying that the wignat is back to delivering pizzas.

Engage in a debate but there is no point in running down a profession. Many pizza boys are people of Indian origin themselves, many are students working part time (who could go on to do good things in future), many are immigrants who find it difficult to adjust in a sophisticated job market. Such comments against a profession are unfortunately considered “smart” (another example of brainlessness).

 

It appears as if many have lost the sense for what is actually good/decent or bad. Being inconsiderate, brazen, etc. may be considered a natural behaviour  

 

Anyways, a wise man has advised me to stay away from political, national, religious, etc., discussions, which can turn into a cesspool, and focus on my hobbies and events that make me happy!

Edited September 1 by zen

[Ranvir]

On 8/29/2024 at 10:59 AM, coffee_rules said:

No, you idiot. Indians are the richest immigrant population in the west and are involved in zero crimes. They are richer than Koreans and Jews. India is the fastest growing economy and is currently at #5 in terms of GDP , stepping on the moon and orbiting mars. Hence the hate. 

It doesn't matter how successful Indians are, whites will still want to move out once too many Indians move into an area, even if it's a nice area. I've seen it happen where I live and many other places. We look very different and have a different culture. 

 

Sadly I think places like Southall and Wembley were nicer suburbs of London 50 years ago before they were taken over by Indians. People drive like maniacs, get rid of a lot of greenery and generally cause more mess. 

[coffee_rules]

8 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

It doesn't matter how successful Indians are, whites will still want to move out once too many Indians move into an area, even if it's a nice area. I've seen it happen where I live and many other places. We look very different and have a different culture. 

 

Sadly I think places like Southall and Wembley were nicer suburbs of London 50 years ago before they were taken over by Indians. People drive like maniacs, get rid of a lot of greenery and generally cause more mess. 

This I agree. I have seen desis choose good school districts and 

 

10 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

It doesn't matter how successful Indians are, whites will still want to move out once too many Indians move into an area, even if it's a nice area. I've seen it happen where I live and many other places. We look very different and have a different culture. 

 

Sadly I think places like Southall and Wembley were nicer suburbs of London 50 years ago before they were taken over by Indians. People drive like maniacs, get rid of a lot of greenery and generally cause more mess. 

This I agree. I have seen our own desis do that, move to “whiter” neighborhoods because of too many “brown”  desis have moved to their neighborhood and they come with all their smells loudness and dehati kulcha!

[randomGuy]

8 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

It doesn't matter how successful Indians are, whites will still want to move out once too many Indians move into an area, even if it's a nice area. I've seen it happen where I live and many other places. We look very different and have a different culture. 

 

Sadly I think places like Southall and Wembley were nicer suburbs of London 50 years ago before they were taken over by Indians. People drive like maniacs, get rid of a lot of greenery and generally cause more mess. 

 

 

I see people here in India leave their trash behind on benches in parks, roads, public places ...their dog poop all over the parks and on roads, feed stray dogs who poop everywhere cause 20k+ rabies deaths each year, burn parali causing worst air pollution every year...we lack civic sense unfortunately, even the educated youngsters lack civic sense...govt. n the PM promotes swatchh bharat and that can achieve only so much without attitude shift.

 

In Japan I believe they teach mainly the moral values and civic sense in school from beginning and japanese are cultured people. Maybe that is the cure, but I feel very disappointed that we are still quite behind in cleanliness.

 

Plus i guess Indians export a lot more men than women in western countries. There will be a lot less of this fringe hatred had it been the other way round or even if Indian women and men both went in equal proportion.

 

 

[Chaos]

14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

This I agree. I have seen desis choose good school districts and 

 

This I agree. I have seen our own desis do that, move to “whiter” neighborhoods because of too many “brown”  desis have moved to their neighborhood and they come with all their smells loudness and dehati kulcha!

i mean if i were ur neighbor i would be the first to move. U will stink up the entire community by experimenting on ur cooking skills

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

i mean if i were ur neighbor i would be the first to move. U will stink up the entire community by experimenting on ur cooking skills

I don’t cook cows, or pigs like you 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

I don’t cook cows, or pigs like you 

[Ranvir]

One other issue is living in extended families. It's common for Indians and other South Asians to live with their parents deep into adulthood and after marriage. As a result you get 6-8 people living in a house designed for 4 people which means all cars cannot fit onto driveways, causing cramped conditions on streets. The other option is extending houses which creates a lot of mess and hassle for neighbours. 

[mishra]

23 hours ago, zen said:

Not many take wignats seriously. Many of these wignats are losers in life, trying out ways to feel self important. 

It is just that these losers have found another group of losers (a brainless insecure bunch seeking self worth themselves, let’s call them - brown nationalists) far away from their home to kill time and feel self important. 

This is sad or comical (depending on how you look at it), if sensible folks get carried away by such nonsense.

To give credence to their cause, these brown nationalists are probably trying to frame this as India v wignats, when it is brown nationalists v wignats.

I will maintain that the biggest harm done to India is by Indians themselves. 

 

 

PS currently many areas of my city are under water:

 

Reasons for such incidences include:

 

* Releasing water from a dam during rains and without warning.

* Construction on river beds, which have turned broad rivers into thin canals. The natural out flow streams where if a lake overflows, the water naturally flows into another lake have been blocked due to human activities. 

* Inadequate drainage and waste management system.

* General incompetence and aversion to using common sense.

^ These are among the pressing issues for India!

 

Concept of Monsoon means you get your 90% of annual rain in a matter of one month. Forget developing Countries like South Asia, even DEveloped world cant deal with such scenarios and all of Bolded part "Gyan" in the above remains wanting.

 

You are only left with reactive option and post disaster management options. Point is how well you can deal with it. Can you reduce or avoid death toll among humans and animals alike. How can you ensure availbilty of various amenities diring that period. How much you have to spend to restore the facilities.

 

 

 Only option is to get rid of all the infra and inhabitated land, reduce population by half and widen flood plains. After all North India is mostly flood plains of Ganga,Brahmaputra,Indus and other tributaries.

 

You got to see the flow of water on these rivers during Monsoon to understand what you are dealing with. 25 years back, Whole of Noth East, Bangladesh, UP Bihar West Bengal used to get fully submerged. Try getting mosoon period news 25 years back. You will understand extent.

Edited September 2 by mishra

[zen]

3 minutes ago, mishra said:

Concept of Monsoon means you get your 90% of annual rain in a matter of one month. Forget developing Countries like South Asia, even DEveloped world cant deal with such scenarios and all of the above remains wanting.

 

You are only left with reactive option and post disaster management options. Point is how well you can deal with it. Can you reduce or avoid death toll among humans and animals alike. How can you ensure availbilty of various amenities diring that period. How much you have to spend to restore the facilities.

 

 

Offcourse u do not want all that, Only option is to get rid of all the infra and inhabitated land, reduce population by half and widen flood plains. After all North India is mostly flood plains of Ganga,Brahmaputra,Indus and other tributaries

Many of the issues are infrastructure related including construction activities, blocking of secondary streams, inadequate drainage, etc., including mismanagement such as releasing water from dams without proper planning. 
 

A good rainfall where you would not even have to bat an eyelid in developed countries makes you want to plan here. For e.g. I avoid driving during rains in India as the roads are covered with water, making it difficult to spot potholes. Also when you walk on the streets, there is this uneasy feeling of some dirty water having mixed with the rain water touching the feet. A flood situation in Japan for e.g. is due to a different magnitude of rainfall  than in India. 
 

It probably boils down to a lack of planning esp. aligning infrastructure with population growth. 
 

Now one can blame lack of resources, huge population, corruption (many construction projects around the river beds are likely to have politicians involved), etc., but that all is due to people, their mindset, etc.  
 

 

[zen]

Some of the issues that I had to sort out in India: 

 

* House was robbed badly where robbers even took expensive door handles, bathroom fixtures, etc. I had not imagined that people could steal such things. I have 8 washrooms in my house so on an immediate basis I had to remove shower from one washroom, a wash basin tap from another, etc. to make a few washroom functional immediately. 
 

* Thankfully, the French chandeliers were intact, they appeared to have been pulled too. Many of the furniture and fixture items in my home are from France.
 

* Rats had eaten away some pipes of the vehicles. 
 

* Bank accounts, DEMAT accounts, etc. were frozen because of “Adhaar card is not linked to PAN card”. And if I don’t have an Aadhar card, I need to convert my accounts to “NRI” which means more paperwork and dealing with head offices in Mumbai in some cases.
 

* Old money stuffed in lockers is useless. 
 

* Some folks are using some of my lands for agriculture.

 

* … … … 

 

And things move relatively slowly here so there is no need to say that my stay here would be extended.
 

But I like it here. And I am back to living like a Maharaja again (nothing beats that!)  

Edited September 2 by zen

[coffee_rules]

8 hours ago, Ranvir said:

Del

Edited September 2 by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, randomGuy said:

 

 

I see people here in India leave their trash behind on benches in parks, roads, public places ...their dog poop all over the parks and on roads, feed stray dogs who poop everywhere cause 20k+ rabies deaths each year, burn parali causing worst air pollution every year...we lack civic sense unfortunately, even the educated youngsters lack civic sense...govt. n the PM promotes swatchh bharat and that can achieve only so much without attitude shift.

 

In Japan I believe they teach mainly the moral values and civic sense in school from beginning and japanese are cultured people. Maybe that is the cure, but I feel very disappointed that we are still quite behind in cleanliness.

 

Plus i guess Indians export a lot more men than women in western countries. There will be a lot less of this fringe hatred had it been the other way round or even if Indian women and men both went in equal proportion.

 

 

 

Japan is a homogeneous society and a civilization that thrived mainly by being xenophobic and fear of the external, you will be fooled by how homogeneity works well. India has  alot more variation/diversity  in language, culture, religion and philosophy. It’s amazing to see it being still a union as a nation. When a simple concept of toilet, andswacch is being mocked politically, it will be far fetched to imagine a viksit(developed) Bharat

 

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[Austin 3:!6]

Racism is at all time high in west towards Asians & blacks. However, we can't totally fault them either

 

I moved to the UK in 2012 and have witnessed drastic change in 12 years alone. So I am sure people like @Ranvir have seen much more. It is actually very rare to hear English language in London anymore. There are few areas in London where even if you see a single white person, people gets amazed and wonder what is he or she doing there. Areas like Southall, Hounslow, Ilford, East Ham, Upton Park etc has now 100% foreign people. 

 

Imagine there are places in India which are no go zone for Indians...obviously we will feel offended. There is no justification for racism at all and accounts like Barry Stanton are troll accounts set up by Pakistani's...but their overall sentiment about uncontrolled immigration is understandable.

[mishra]

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

* Bank accounts, DEMAT accounts, etc. were frozen because of “Adhaar card is not linked to PAN card”. And if I don’t have an Aadhar card, I need to convert my accounts to “NRI” which means more paperwork and dealing with head offices in Mumbai in some cases.
 

 

 

Off All, I can actually ateempt to influence above. I have allready mentioned this to Ministry of Finance. But not exactly same issue and Solution as you have mentioned.

 

 

I told that everyone with OCI should have auto generated and auto linked PAN card and onus should be passed to banks and brokerage companies and that will increase annual NRI investment to Indian stock markets in tune probably same or more than actual annual remmittance. So you may see this getting Streamlined for OCI holders

[zen]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Off All, I can actually ateempt to influence above. I have allready mentioned this to Ministry of Finance. But not exactly same issue and Solution as you have mentioned.

 

 

I told that everyone with OCI should have auto generated and auto linked PAN card and onus should be passed to banks and brokerage companies and that will increase annual NRI investment to Indian stock markets in tune probably same or more than actual annual remmittance. So you may see this getting Streamlined for OCI holders

 

Yeah, it is a hassle for OCIs. If you don’t have Adhaar card, many act as if they don’t know how to process a case (Where is the training? Or maybe they are acting as it may involve more work).

 

People like me have suffered a lot due to some of Modi’s policies. There is a gap b/w idea and its implementation. Many times, even government systems are down so they can’t work.

 

The irony is that those who want to manipulate the system will do so in any case! Those who want to do things in a correct manner suffer.

 

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Yeah, it is a hassle for OCIs. If you don’t have Adhaar card, many act as if they don’t know how to process a case (Where is the training? Or maybe they are acting as it may involve more work).

 

People like me have suffered a lot due to some of Modi’s policies. There is a gap b/w idea and its implementation. Many times, even government systems are down so they can’t work.

 

The irony is that those who want to manipulate the system will do so in any case! Those who want to do things in a correct manner suffer.

 

Exactly. OCI holders are not supposed to have Adhar. Both OCI or Adhar is linked to PAN and bank account. Problem I mentioned was , while Adhar holder is in India, OCI holder is abroad and doesnt have time or will to apply for PAN. So , with OCI details, connect the systems and let banks/brokerage firms do the work on OCI holders behalf.

[Ranvir]

53 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Racism is at all time high in west towards Asians & blacks. However, we can't totally fault them either

 

I moved to the UK in 2012 and have witnessed drastic change in 12 years alone. So I am sure people like @Ranvir have seen much more. It is actually very rare to hear English language in London anymore. There are few areas in London where even if you see a single white person, people gets amazed and wonder what is he or she doing there. Areas like Southall, Hounslow, Ilford, East Ham, Upton Park etc has now 100% foreign people. 

 

Imagine there are places in India which are no go zone for Indians...obviously we will feel offended. There is no justification for racism at all and accounts like Barry Stanton are troll accounts set up by Pakistani's...but their overall sentiment about uncontrolled immigration is understandable.

White Brits were around 95% of the population of London in the early 1960s and are now just 35%, their numbers in each census gets less and less every census. That's a massive change in just 60 years. Even in 2001 London was 60% White British, places like Barking and Enfield were 80% White back then. 

 

They don't like living with other ethnicities. That's why I wouldn't try to move to their areas. They are generally nice friendly people with good morals and I have no problem with them wanting to live amongst themselves. 

 

On the flip side they have completely changed the demographics of North America, The Carribean, Australasia where the natives are a tiny minority or extinct, not to mention they have created new races by mixing whites with blacks, native americans and Aborigines and Maoris. 

 

Europe is going further and further to the right, they've had enough. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Racism is at all time high in west towards Asians & blacks. However, we can't totally fault them either

 

I moved to the UK in 2012 and have witnessed drastic change in 12 years alone. So I am sure people like @Ranvir have seen much more. It is actually very rare to hear English language in London anymore. There are few areas in London where even if you see a single white person, people gets amazed and wonder what is he or she doing there. Areas like Southall, Hounslow, Ilford, East Ham, Upton Park etc has now 100% foreign people. 

 

Imagine there are places in India which are no go zone for Indians...obviously we will feel offended. There is no justification for racism at all and accounts like Barry Stanton are troll accounts set up by Pakistani's...but their overall sentiment about uncontrolled immigration is understandable.

Barry Stanton is a British Wignat account actually & from what I heard on X from India. E warriors is he sold his account to some other far right dude in US which was posting anti Indian stuff. 

But damage has already been done.  Numerous alt right accounts are posting racist stuff and supporting accounts like Barry