Bangladesh Tour of India 2024 - Pre series discussion thread

[R!TTER]

50 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Kuldeep is the  backup spinner,not sure we need 4 pacers in the squad in a 2 mach series considering the venues .our batsmen are iffy against spin so Axar has to play.

Backup how? On current form, form last test series, he is our best spinner & even before that vs Bangers away in that test series -

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Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Sep 2023

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah	6	11	152.2	26	476	31	6/45	9/91	15.35	3.12	29.4	2	0
Kuldeep Yadav	4	8	114.1	12	383	19	5/72	7/112	20.15	3.35	36.0	1	0
RA Jadeja	5	8	146.3	24	476	19	5/41	7/92	25.05	3.24	46.2	1	0
R Ashwin	6	11	175.3	18	686	27	5/51	9/128	25.40	3.90	39.0	2	0
Mohammed Siraj	6	11	109.1	16	413	15	6/15	7/46	27.53	3.78	43.6	1	0

[cowboysfan]

35 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Backup how? On current form, form last test series, he is our best spinner & even before that vs Bangers away in that test series -

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Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Sep 2023

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah	6	11	152.2	26	476	31	6/45	9/91	15.35	3.12	29.4	2	0
Kuldeep Yadav	4	8	114.1	12	383	19	5/72	7/112	20.15	3.35	36.0	1	0
RA Jadeja	5	8	146.3	24	476	19	5/41	7/92	25.05	3.24	46.2	1	0
R Ashwin	6	11	175.3	18	686	27	5/51	9/128	25.40	3.90	39.0	2	0
Mohammed Siraj	6	11	109.1	16	413	15	6/15	7/46	27.53	3.78	43.6	1	0

I would play Kuldeep against the Kiwis but i dont trust the likes of Kohli and Rohit to last long against  Bangladeshi spinners,we need Axar the batsman .

[R!TTER]

Make the pitches flat then, we need more batting practice for Oz anyway. I also think on flat pitches no one touches us, apart from that one loss vs Eng in Chennai 2021 during Covid, without Jadeja/Shami/Yadav bowling, we've not lost a test on flat decks since 2012

 

Our bowlers will outbowl any team 9/10 times on flat tracks. Our batters will also usually score runs almost every time on them.

[cowboysfan]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Make the pitches flat then, we need more batting practice for Oz anyway. I also think on flat pitches no one touches us, apart from that one loss vs Eng in Chennai 2021 during Covid, without Jadeja/Shami/Yadav bowling, we've not lost a test on flat decks since 2012

 

Our bowlers will outbowl any team 9/10 times on flat tracks. Our batters will also usually score runs almost every time on them.

it would be a big mistake to make raging turners in Chennai and Kanpur against Bang bros,a more placid wicket which holds up will do fine.

[Austin 3:!6]

On 9/7/2024 at 5:11 AM, Gollum said:

Cancel the series. 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 5:15 AM, Gollum said:

Why should they be treated any different than Pakistan?

 

Islamists are crazy everywhere but they also have an openly hostile government, even blamed India for recent floods. Taliban government appears to be more humane and sane!!!! And should we recognize this blatant regime change?

 

It would be a good gesture if ICFers boycott this series. Just my two cents. 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 6:10 AM, zen said:

Yes, the series should be cancelled. 

 

 

I agree with the emotions here and highly condemn the atrocities committed towards Hindu's. However, at the end of the day they are Bangladeshi citizens. Unless, BD attack Indians, don't think BCCI will care.

 

Pakistan situation is totally different. They send insurgents to kill Indians and hence we don't play cricket with them.

 

We should play and annihilate them like no tomorrow

[zen]

28 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

 

 

I agree with the emotions here and highly condemn the atrocities committed towards Hindu's. However, at the end of the day they are Bangladeshi citizens. Unless, BD attack Indians, don't think BCCI will care.

 

Pakistan situation is totally different. They send insurgents to kill Indians and hence we don't play cricket with them.

 

We should play and annihilate them like no tomorrow

India tends to find “excuses” to not do anything. In the past, Pakistan was to be tolerated because of “trade”. It was even given the “most favored nation” status. One should not do anything to a country from where we can earn some money (and the spokesperson talked about some necessary imports too iirc) was the line of thinking. 

Today, the Hindu is a Bangladeshi. Tomorrow, when some Hindu in India is facing a life or death situation, he would cease being a Hindu and become someone from state X or caste Y or neighborhood Z. There will be a “reason” to not help.
 

And if no reason can be found, the good old need to focus on “GDP” as India is poor. Of course, when it suits, India becomes the 5th largest economy based on GDP whose defence budget is more than GDP of many countries. 
 

India is rich and powerful when nothing is at stake. It becomes poor and helpless when anything is at stake.
 

Such formulaic, selfish and blatant behaviour by India is becoming laughable but in a sad way 
 

Edited September 8 by zen

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

so our bowlers are

Ash

Jaddu

Axar

Deep

Siraj

 

I am more than ok with that,even Deep is no mug with the bat.

 

 

In the last home test series, we saw Kuldeep replace Axar after a game and deliver too.

 

Bumrah's absence is a speculation and not confirmed yet.

 

And no one knows whether Siraj is match fit.

Edited September 8 by express bowling

[cowboysfan]

25 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In the last home test series, we saw Kuldeep replace Axar after a game and deliver too.

 

Bumrah's absence is a speculation and not confirmed yet.

 

And no one knows whether Siraj is match fit.

of course i know that but i want Axar in there because he can bat big and he is one of our best players of spin.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In the last home test series, we saw Kuldeep replace Axar after a game and deliver too.

 

Bumrah's absence is a speculation and not confirmed yet.

 

And no one knows whether Siraj is match fit.

If the pitches are flat or good for batting and non rank turners like vs Eng. .. Kuldeep plays over Axar easily.

Provides a point of difference to our  spin attack in non helpful conditions.

 

Axar and Jadeja both seem surplus to the requirement. One is enough 

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, zen said:

And if no reason can be found, the good old need to focus on “GDP” as India is poor. Of course, when it suits, India becomes the 5th largest economy based on GDP whose defence budget is more than GDP of many countries. 
 

India is rich and powerful when nothing is at stake. It becomes poor and helpless when anything is at stake.

 

Wish I could upvote this bolded part a 100 times. Top post overall.

[Lord]

4 hours ago, zen said:

India tends to find “excuses” to not do anything. In the past, Pakistan was to be tolerated because of “trade”. It was even given the “most favored nation” status. One should not do anything to a country from where we can earn some money (and the spokesperson talked about some necessary imports too iirc) was the line of thinking. 

Today, the Hindu is a Bangladeshi. Tomorrow, when some Hindu in India is facing a life or death situation, he would cease being a Hindu and become someone from state X or caste Y or neighborhood Z. There will be a “reason” to not help.
 

And if no reason can be found, the good old need to focus on “GDP” as India is poor. Of course, when it suits, India becomes the 5th largest economy based on GDP whose defence budget is more than GDP of many countries. 
 

India is rich and powerful when nothing is at stake. It becomes poor and helpless when anything is at stake.
 

Such formulaic, selfish and blatant behaviour by India is becoming laughable but in a sad way 
 

 

Agree with this post but also agree with what @Austin 3:!6 said. Country over religion always. BD citizens are BD citizens irrespective of religion. Kolkata case or Manipur horror last year are the things we should focus on. And yes we are a poor nation unless the money reaches the lower strata of the society.

[Frustrated]

Now that the squad for BD tests has been announced, this thread should be merged with the other one.  IMO

[zen]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Agree with this post but also agree with what @Austin 3:!6 said. Country over religion always. BD citizens are BD citizens irrespective of religion. Kolkata case or Manipur horror last year are the things we should focus on. And yes we are a poor nation unless the money reaches the lower strata of the society.

If we look at the forest, not the trees, Hinduism, along with other native religions, is the key as that is what the subcon is based on. India & Nepal being the only two countries with Hindu majority. Guyana probably has around 30% Hindus. 

Every 70-80 years, the world map changes. Old countries die,  new countries are born. Religion, which influences culture too, has been around for millenniums or time immemorial. 

India itself is less than 100 years. And countries in the subcon were formed based on religious preferences. 

 

[tweaker]

Akashdeep should play most of the matches against Bangladesh.

[Sgattick10]

So Sarfaraz is not playing the first test, KL is playing in his place. Sarfaraz has been asked to continue playing Duleep trophy lol

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

So Sarfaraz is not playing the first test, KL is playing in his place. Sarfaraz has been asked to continue playing Duleep trophy lol

Really? That is just gross injustice. What has he done wrong to be not playing.

Edited September 10 by putrevus

[Sgattick10]

51 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Really? That is just gross injustice. What has he done wrong to be not playing.

Team and cap want KL in the side seniority quota 

[Need4Speed]

3 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Team and cap want KL in the side seniority quota 

and coach?

[Sgattick10]

11 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

and coach?

Dunno expect better from Gambhir

Edited September 11 by Sgattick10

[tweaker]

21 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

So Sarfaraz is not playing the first test, KL is playing in his place. Sarfaraz has been asked to continue playing Duleep trophy lol

It should have been other way ,Rahul should have been.playing Duleep Trophy.