Will Hinduism become extinct?

[zen]

16 minutes ago, Lannister said:

There is, as long as religions make claims about reality and dictate how humans should live within it. 

Religion is not making claims. People who follow religion are. Sometimes, they do it to advance their agendas (a point highlighted in my original post).

Sometimes, stories are used to make common people esp. in ancient times understand a better way of life.
 

For e.g. when there was no electricity and people ran into a risk of eating contaminated food in the dark, someone could say do not eat food at dark as ghosts can come to your house for dinner. 

The purpose of the above is to train people to not eat in the dark. 
 

Now if some fools suggest that show us the ghosts or we will eat in the dark, it is venturing into a different direction and in an unintended domain. 

 

There are tons of fake research being published:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/03/the-situation-has-become-appalling-fake-scientific-papers-push-research-credibility-to-crisis-point
 

Should we judge science based on that?

Edited September 30, 2024 by zen

[Lannister]

23 minutes ago, zen said:

There are tons of fake research being published:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/03/the-situation-has-become-appalling-fake-scientific-papers-push-research-credibility-to-crisis-point
 

Should we judge science based on that?

Science has a built-in mechanism for self-correction, while religions lack this. That is why it is called faith or dogmatic beliefs. That to believe something without evidence. 

 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Science has a built-in mechanism for self-correction, while religions lack this. That is why it is called faith or dogmatic beliefs. That to believe something without evidence. 

 

There is no Religion v Science. 

People who follow religion (talking about Hinduism) can be scientists, artists, actors, presidents, doctors, historians, astronauts, and so on. 
 

It is a domain that comes from “elsewhere” and therefore supposed to be beyond human understanding. 
 

A dog has a certain level of understanding. It may think certain aspects of human life are unexplainable. Similarly, humans, with their relative limitations, may not have appropriate tools to evaluate everything. 
 

Religion has an unlimited domain. It can use science, art, technology, stories, etc. 

 

 

[Lannister]

30 minutes ago, zen said:

There is no Religion v Science. 

People who follow religion (talking about Hinduism) can be scientists, artists, actors, presidents, doctors, historians, astronauts, and so on. 
 

It is a domain that comes from “elsewhere” and therefore supposed to be beyond human understanding. 
 

A dog has a certain level of understanding. It may think certain aspects of human life are unexplainable. Similarly, humans, with their relative limitations, may not have appropriate tools to evaluate everything. 
 

Religion has an unlimited domain. It can use science, art, technology, stories, etc. 

 

 

Keep repeating that if it comforts you, but society will change drastically in the next 10-15 years. You'll see how many atheists there will be in India by then. 

 

That is how religions become extinct when it loses it's followers. 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Lannister

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Keep repeating that if it comforts you, but society will change drastically in the next 10-15 years. You'll see how many atheists there will be in India by then. 

 

That is how religions become extinct when it loses it's followers. 

But so many NASA scientists are religious and worship gods.

 

Which side are they ? Science or Religion.

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

There is, as long as religions make claims about reality and dictate how humans should live within it. 

Can a fully non-religious society who believes in science exist peacefully ?

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by singhvivek141

[zen]

At the end of the day, religion is about one’s relationship with God and being motivated to follow the good path (and eventually attain Moksha).

 

If more and more people follow the good path, the world becomes a better place. 

But humans are complex creatures. If they knew how to follow the good path on their own, God would not need to come down to us.
 

 

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Can a fully non-religious society who believes in science exist peacefully ?

 

Why not? Fewer religious fanatics -> fewer conflicts.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Why not? Fewer religious fanatics -> fewer conflicts.

Man always find reasons to conflict - Race, nation, resources, etc. 

 

The American Revolution was not about religion. WWI and WWII were not fought for religion. The Cold War wasn’t about religion. The Gulf War was not about religion. The Russia-Ukraine conflict is not about religion. 
 

While the Israel-Palestine conflict does have a religious touch, it is more about the land because of how the British managed the region (a similar issue in the subcon), I.e. the breaking of the British Empire. 

Many may perceive Islam as a threat but  Islam too is said to be twisted by human beings for their benefits. So if there was no Islam, there would have been some other philosophy to “twist”. 
 

[Lannister]

51 minutes ago, zen said:

Man always find reasons to conflict - Race, nation, resources, etc. 

 

The American Revolution was not about religion. WWI and WWII were not fought for religion. The Cold War wasn’t about religion. The Gulf War was not about religion. The Russia-Ukraine conflict is not about religion. 
 

While the Israel-Palestine conflict does have a religious touch, it is more about the land because of how the British managed the region (a similar issue in the subcon), I.e. the breaking of the British Empire. 

Many may perceive Islam as a threat but  Islam too is said to be twisted by human beings for their benefits. So if there was no Islam, there would have been some other philosophy to “twist”. 
 

There will always be some tension between nation-states over resources, but democracies will be able to flourish in the absence of religions. 

[zen]

16 minutes ago, Lannister said:

There will always be some tension between nation-states over resources, but democracies will be able to flourish in the absence of religions. 

How many democracies are there where religion is absent? 
 

It appears as if you are finding reasons to blame “whatever” on religion. 
 

 

[Lannister]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

How many democracies are there where religion is absent? 
 

It appears as if you are finding reasons to blame “whatever” on religion. 
 

 

The reason no other countries can rival the Western coalition is that they managed to tame Christianity. Even so-called communist nations are inherently atheistic.

[zen]

24 minutes ago, Lannister said:

The reason no other countries can rival the Western coalition is that they managed to tame Christianity. Even so-called communist nations are inherently atheistic.

I am not sure about what has been tamed and what hasn’t. Many may even think that Qatar, the Emirates, Kuwait, etc. are thriving. And that the Communists, in general, have declined without religion.

The thread is NOT on religion v atheism. It is about Hinduism.

 

[AKane]

This Moksha with your soul(atma) becoming part of a whole soul(parmaatma) together with all other souls bothers me.....

 

There are many souls here on this little board who are prolly good people but I want nothing to do with them. The idea that my soul merges with theirs in a parmaatma is troubling.

 

Anything where individualism becomes a collective smacks of communism..... At least in this world's communism a person's mind is spared despite the propaganda in the media of communist states. Here it seems even the soul becomes one. I would rather my soul stay separate. 

 

BTW this one mind/conscious being part of one parmaatma with all connected minds/conscious-es also reminds me of the "Borg" in Star-trek - Next Generation. That was scary.

[zen]

32 minutes ago, AKane said:

This Moksha with your soul(atma) becoming part of a whole soul(parmaatma) together with all other souls bothers me.....

You are overthinking this (and that too based on applying human concepts as if the world of God is like the world of humans).

 

At this stage, only thing that matters is knowing that attaining Moksha is better than remaining in the cycle of life and death. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

The reason no other countries can rival the Western coalition is that they managed to tame Christianity. Even so-called communist nations are inherently atheistic.

No, the reason is they managed to tame gunpowder better than any. 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

This Moksha with your soul(atma) becoming part of a whole soul(parmaatma) together with all other souls bothers me.....

 

There are many souls here on this little board who are prolly good people but I want nothing to do with them. The idea that my soul merges with theirs in a parmaatma is troubling.

 

Anything where individualism becomes a collective smacks of communism..... At least in this world's communism a person's mind is spared despite the propaganda in the media of communist states. Here it seems even the soul becomes one. I would rather my soul stay separate. 

 

BTW this one mind/conscious being part of one parmaatma with all connected minds/conscious-es also reminds me of the "Borg" in Star-trek - Next Generation. That was scary.

Your soul doesnt merge with them. your soul merges with the infinite one. the set is x+infinity, not x+y. 

 

As i said, you dont understand the mathematics of infinity, so its pointless to explain any further what happens when you merge with the infinite. 

The borg are a far better species in star trek than humans - they dont associate false morality with themselves, mostly mind their own business unless there is obvious tech benefit and are completely not motivated by wealth,greed or lust like humans are. 

 

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Lannister said:

Science has a built-in mechanism for self-correction, while religions lack this. That is why it is called faith or dogmatic beliefs. That to believe something without evidence. 

 

Thank you for exposing your ignorance about religions and tht you just regurgitate idiot marxist idea about religions. 
There is no dogmatic faith in non abrahamic religions becsuse they do not have absolute claims. Inferior western worshippers should educate themselves instead of regurgitating their religious beliefs on religion thanks to their socialist religion. 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2934153

[AKane]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

As i said, you dont understand the mathematics of infinity, so its pointless to explain any further what happens when you merge with the infinite. 

You don't understand it either. Yes I have also looked at Ramanujan's -1/12 result and divergent/convergent infinite series's etc but I am not stupid enough to pretend I understand infinity or its math. I can derive Ramanujan's -1/12 result but cannot wrap my mind as to what it means.

 

16 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The borg are a far better species in star trek than humans

No they are not. They are a disgusting idea. However the above tells a lot about you.

[Muloghonto]

23 minutes ago, AKane said:

You don't understand it either. Yes I have also looked at Ramanujan's -1/12 result and divergent/convergent infinite series's etc but I am not stupid enough to pretend I understand infinity or its math. I can derive Ramanujan's -1/12 result but cannot wrap my mind as to what it means.

Right. No mathematicians understand infinite math apparently. You sound like at this point you are not interested in learning and are all about 'muh thoughts and feelz' on the issue. 

23 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

No they are not. They are a disgusting idea. However the above tells a lot about you.

Any assertion that can be made without any justification, can also be dismissed without justification. So your assertion is dismissed.