Will Hinduism become extinct?

[zen]

19 minutes ago, AKane said:

Yes I have also looked at Ramanujan's -1/12 result and divergent/convergent infinite series's etc but I am not stupid enough to pretend I understand infinity or its math. I can derive Ramanujan's -1/12 result but cannot wrap my mind as to what it means.

 

TBF, not many understand it. Most try to interpret it based on what is written, which is vague so only the worthy are able to decipher it. 
 

And those who know will not divulge it as it is privileged knowledge on need to know basis. So the stand is like if God wants you to know, you will know it sooner or later. 

Which is why I stress on taking your own journey or you risk being consumed by flawed information and interpretation, leading to the religion being misunderstood.
 

[AKane]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Right. No mathematicians understand infinite math apparently. You sound like at this point you are not interested in learning and are all about 'muh thoughts and feelz' on the issue. 

Any assertion that can be made without any justification, can also be dismissed without justification. So your assertion is dismissed. 

 

Like your admiration of the Borg is junked. Enjoy "Resistance is futile"...... As someone said in German "I can't eat as much as I want to throw up".

[AKane]

19 minutes ago, zen said:

And those who know will not divulge it as it is privileged knowledge on need to know basis.

Ancient Chinese saying - 

 

Those who talk don't know

Those who know don't talk

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, AKane said:

Like your admiration of the Borg is junked. Enjoy "Resistance is futile"...... As someone said in German "I can't eat as much as I want to throw up".

incorrect- i gave justifiction, so mine cannot be dismissed as junk off hand. 

You seem to think that x+infinity as a set means x doesnt exist as independent data point. Sounds like a lot of ignorant assumptive thinking and basic error in mathematical knowledge. 

 

[zen]

30 minutes ago, AKane said:

Ancient Chinese saying - 

 

Those who talk don't know

Those who know don't talk

That is the paradox. 
 

When dealing in our world, if we know something, we boast about it, try to educate others, seek to gain from others from it, etc. 

 

When dealing with the other world, you keep the info to yourself (unless instructed otherwise), can’t boast about it (and such info will not come to empty vessels anyways), can’t seek to gain from others as it is given to you, etc. In a way, it is like acting like a superhero who hides his superhero identity. 

 

[ravishingravi]

If anyone has any doubt why India will be an Islamic republic. And it's inevitable. 

 

 

[Lannister]

12 hours ago, AKane said:

This Moksha with your soul(atma) becoming part of a whole soul(parmaatma) together with all other souls bothers me.....

Neuroscience has already shown that the sense of 'self' and the idea of 'free will' are mere illusions. This undermines the concept of the 'Aatma,' and by extension disproves 'Karma (tainted soul)' and 'Moksha' as well. 

Edited October 1, 2024 by Lannister

[zen]

51 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Neuroscience has already shown that the sense of 'self' and the idea of 'free will' are mere illusions. This undermines the concept of the 'Aatma,' and by extension disproves 'Karma (tainted soul)' and 'Moksha' as well. 

No one cares what science (including some random research) proves or does not prove. People care about God based on what they know (not on what science knows or does not know).

 

What is the point of your “scientific” education if you can’t even understand this simple concept? Do an experiment - go to a temple (where people from various professions including doctors, scientists, etc., visit) and try telling people this. Most likely result - no one will care to listen (chances are they may even see you as deranged), proving to you the demerits of your pointless rambling 
 

Edited October 1, 2024 by zen

[Muloghonto]

35 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Neuroscience has already shown that the sense of 'self' and the idea of 'free will' are mere illusions. This undermines the concept of the 'Aatma,' and by extension disproves 'Karma (tainted soul)' and 'Moksha' as well. 

it doesnt, because atma is just part of the collective. Neuroscience doesnt show that sense of self is mere illusion- you pulled that outta your ignorant arse. 

Karma cannot be objectively disproven, since karma is literally the definition of causality. 

 

[Lannister]

14 hours ago, zen said:

Many may even think that Qatar, the Emirates, Kuwait, etc. are thriving.

Those are pretty low standards if you're choosing to compare yourself to those nations.

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Lannister said:

Those are pretty low standards if you're choosing to compare yourself to those nations.

Emirates beats the west in almost all objective standards - income, poverty, nutrition, crime rate, etc.

 

[Lannister]

29 minutes ago, zen said:

What is the point of your “scientific” education if you can’t even understand this simple concept? Do an experiment - go to a temple (where people from various professions including doctors, scientists, etc., visit) and try telling people this. Most likely result - no one will care to listen (chances are they may even see you as deranged), proving to you the demerits of your pointless rambling 

I agree, old farts don't really care about these matters since their brains stopped engaging with such ideas long ago and they won't be able to comprehend it. It's the younger generation who are more likely to become atheists and take these things seriously.

 

Anyways, those are still unscientific beliefs. 

[zen]

If people are “really” educated they should be able to see that people who believe in religion do not care about what science knows (or does not know). 
 

It is dumb to be mentioning some random research, scientific concept, etc., and further having the delusion that people will actually participate in a foolish game where they try to prove religious concepts scientifically  

 

You have wasted your life in a university and became unidimensional. That is not the fault of others.  

 

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, zen said:

If people are “really” educated they should be able to see that people who believe in religion do not care about what science knows (or does not know). 
 

It is dumb to be mentioning some random research, scientific concept, etc., and further having the delusion that people will actually participate in a foolish game where they try to prove religious concepts scientifically  

 

You have wasted your life in a university and became unidimensional. That is not the fault of others.  

 

How do you think people become Atheists? It's when they critically examine their religious beliefs in accordance with the scientific knowledge (and intuition) and deciding they don’t want to live in delusion, holding onto false beliefs.

 

If you choose not to question your beliefs, that's your decision. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

How do you think people become Atheists? It's when they critically examine their religious beliefs in accordance with the scientific knowledge (and intuition) and deciding they don’t want to live in delusion, holding onto false beliefs.

 

If you choose not to question your beliefs, that's your decision. 

It is fine becoming an atheist (including by critically examining the religion based on limited knowledge, experiences, and information, along with overvaluing science) but not fine assuming that every person has the same experience with the religion that an atheist has had. 

There are known knowns, known unknowns, unknown knowns, and unknowns unknowns. In religion these vary per individual. 
 

A temple is not a supermarket where everyone can go, fold his hands, and get a standard blessing (as if it is a product) from God! Some folks have had to mediate for years (and at times through many life cycles) to please God! 

PS I have heard of stories where people have threatened to jump off a building if God does not show up. Such fools too are better off becoming atheist. 

Edited October 1, 2024 by zen

[bharathh]

55 minutes ago, zen said:

It is fine becoming an atheist (including by critically examining the religion based on limited knowledge, experiences, and information, along with overvaluing science) but not fine assuming that every person has the same experience with the religion that an atheist has had. 

There are known knowns, known unknowns, unknown knowns, and unknowns unknowns. In religion these vary per individual. 
 

A temple is not a supermarket where everyone can go, fold his hands, and get a standard blessing (as if it is a product) from God! Some folks have had to mediate for years (and at times through many life cycles) to please God! 

PS I have heard of stories where people have threatened to jump off a building if God does not show up. Such fools too are better off becoming atheist. 

 

How do you have unknown knows? 

[zen]

39 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

How do you have unknown knows? 

As Rumsfeld said “things that you think you know that it turns out you did not”.
 

And simply things that you are aware of but don’t understand.

Edited October 1, 2024 by zen

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, zen said:

It is fine becoming an atheist (including by critically examining the religion based on limited knowledge, experiences, and information, along with overvaluing science) but not fine assuming that every person has the same experience with the religion that an atheist has had. 

I never claimed that religious people don't genuinely believe in their faith. Even someone about to blow themselves up in a bus full of children believes they are fulfilling their god's will. They are deeply committed to their religious cause.

 

However, in this age of science, it's natural for people to evaluate these (delusional) ideas against the higher standards set by science.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Lannister

[zen]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

I never claimed that religious people don't genuinely believe in their faith. Even someone about to blow themselves up in a bus full of children believes they are fulfilling their god's will. They are deeply committed to their religious cause.

 

However, in this age of science, it's natural for people to evaluate these (delusional) ideas against the higher standards set by science.

It is not thinking that religious people genuinely believe in their faith but in assuming that the faith is misplaced based on an atheist’s own limited experiences, knowledge, and information, and thinking that only he/she knows about science and such stuff. When many religious people are scientists, doctors, astronauts, business people, school teachers, professors, national leaders, and so on. 
 

To religious people such atheists may come across as empty vessels. 
 

The point to understand is that religious people have deeper connections with God which is why they remain religious despite knowing as much as what the atheists know about science or logic or whatever. Sometimes the connections could get carried forward from the last birth cycle so a person gets naturally inclined to religion. 

Religious connections are not formed equally. It needs devotion, effort, faith, etc. As a human being, an atheist may be equal to a religious person to God, but not in terms of karma and bhakti.

 

Yes, there would be some bad apples but men are infamous for using anything that benefits them (including science).

 

 

Edited October 1, 2024 by zen

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, zen said:

It is not thinking that religious people genuinely believe in their faith but in assuming that the faith is misplaced based on an atheist’s own limited experiences, knowledge, and information, and thinking that only they know about science. When many religious people are scientists, doctors, astronauts, business people, school teachers, professors, national leaders, and so on. 
 

To religious people such atheists come across as empty vessels. 
 

The point to understand is that religious people have deeper connections with God which is why they remain religious despite knowing as much as what the atheists know about science or logic or whatever. 

Religious connections are not formed equally. It needs devotion, effort, faith, etc. As a human being, an atheist may be equal to a religious human being to God, but not in terms of karma and bhakti.

 

Yes, there would be some bad apples but men are infamous for using anything that benefits them (including religion).

 

 

So you're saying that religious practices put you into certain trance-like states. Well, you can experience these states of mind without needing to believe in unscientific ideas or deluding yourself on what is true and false.