Will Hinduism become extinct?

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, AKane said:

Ancient Chinese saying - 

 

Those who talk don't know

Those who know don't talk

Also Mark Twain said this -

 

It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

Seems like he’s telling you

[zen]

40 minutes ago, Lannister said:

So you're saying that religious practices put you into certain trance-like states. Well, you can experience these states of mind without needing to believe in unscientific ideas or deluding yourself on what is true and false. 

If you want to talk about religious practices, obviously they would use science. Science that is not understood is termed as magic. 

 

Science is a tool. If I am designing a vehicle, I am using engineering science. If I am operating on a patient, I am using medical science. If I am turning water into milk (or wine if you prefer), I am using the relevant science. 

 

If Gods travel through space (as it is said that there are many worlds), he is using a technology known to him to do that. After all, God is the greatest scientist. 

 

To suggest that x scientific concept was used for this is a pointless exercise. Science is a tool. 

 

“Om” is not random, it is based on science and has certain benefits.  I will let the “scientist” discover its benefits.

 

Of course, the religious folks will continue to reap the benefits of chanting “om” without worrying about the science behind it.  

Edited October 1, 2024 by zen

[coffee_rules]

20 hours ago, AKane said:

This Moksha with your soul(atma) becoming part of a whole soul(parmaatma) together with all other souls bothers me.....

 

There are many souls here on this little board who are prolly good people but I want nothing to do with them. The idea that my soul merges with theirs in a parmaatma is troubling.

 

Anything where individualism becomes a collective smacks of communism..... At least in this world's communism a person's mind is spared despite the propaganda in the media of communist states. Here it seems even the soul becomes one. I would rather my soul stay separate. 

 

BTW this one mind/conscious being part of one parmaatma with all connected minds/conscious-es also reminds me of the "Borg" in Star-trek - Next Generation. That was scary.

The ansh of paramatma (universe /nature) in your atma is  1 zillionth of a zillion. The atma is an ansh of paramatma and after it attains moksha with karmic perfection over many lives, that part of paramatma goes back into parmaatma, there is nothing individualistic about different atmas (life energy).

 

Now OTOH, if you don’t wish to go back to parmaatma, there are some atmas stuck in trishunku (netherworld) , na idhar ka ya udhar ka, iski ko bhatakti huyi atma kehte hain, chudail banke phirti rehti hain. Your atma can be one of those bhatakti hui atma.

Edited October 1, 2024 by coffee_rules

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, zen said:

If you want to talk about religious practices, obviously they would use science. Science that is not understood is termed as magic. 

 

Science is a tool. If I am designing a vehicle, I am using engineering science. If I am operating on a patient, I am using medical science. If I am turning water into milk (or wine if you prefer), I am using the relevant science. 

 

If Gods travel through space (as it is said that there are many worlds), he is using a technology known to him to do that. After all, God is the greatest scientist. 

 

To suggest that x scientific concept was used for this is a pointless exercise. Science is a tool. 

 

“Om” is not random, it is based on science and has certain benefits.  I will let the “scientist” discover its benefits.

 

Of course, the religious folks will continue to reap the benefits of chanting “om” without worrying about the science behind it.  

Atheists do retain some elements of religion after leaving it. We know the benefits of certain practices but engage with them in a secular way. Plus, we have the flexibility to adopt ideas from various cultures. In this sense, we enjoy more freedom than those who follow religious traditions. What's more, we are not bound by religious moral codes. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Atheists do retain some elements of religion after leaving it. We know the benefits of certain practices but engage with them in a secular way. Plus, we have the flexibility to adopt ideas from various cultures. In this sense, we enjoy more freedom than those who follow religious traditions. What's more, we are not bound by religious moral codes. 

 

There are multiple facets to a religion. People can benefit from chanting “Om”, employing the lotus pose (if the knees don’t hurt), and so on. 

 

[AKane]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Also Mark Twain said this -

 

It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt

Seems like he’s telling you

And you.

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Lannister said:

Atheists do retain some elements of religion after leaving it. We know the benefits of certain practices but engage with them in a secular way. Plus, we have the flexibility to adopt ideas from various cultures. In this sense, we enjoy more freedom than those who follow religious traditions. What's more, we are not bound by religious moral codes. 

Atheists are intellectually vacant people. That is why your western doyen of atheism - Richard Dawkins -doesnt call himself atheist anymore but 'cultural christian'. Because when atheists do some thinking, they realize that atheism = nonsense. 

 

[AKane]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Now OTOH, if you don’t wish to go back to parmaatma, there are some atmas stuck in trishunku (netherworld) , na idhar ka ya udhar ka, iski ko bhatakti huyi atma kehte hain, chudail banke phirti rehti hain. Your atma can be one of those bhatakti hui atma.

ah.. good. This "wandering soul" sounds fine.  Individualism over collectivism in this world or the next for me.

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, AKane said:

ah.. good. This "wandering soul" sounds fine.  Individualism over collectivism in this world or the next for me.

x being inserted into an infinite set doesnt lead to x not existing either. This is Hilbert's Hotel scenario, not summation scenario.

Karma is individual. So is the idiot concept of sin by abrahamics. 

 

Edited October 1, 2024 by Muloghonto

[AKane]

12 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

x being inserted into an infinite set doesnt lead to x not existing either.

 

If x is a piece of sand to beaches of sand yes - if x is a drop of water to the oceans...... no. The real insanity is nobody knows what a atma(soul) is never mind a parmatma. So let it go....

Edited October 1, 2024 by AKane

[Muloghonto]

Just now, AKane said:

 

If x is a piece of sand yes - if x is a drop of water ...... no. The real insanity is nobody knows what a atma(soul) is never mind a parmatma. So let it go....

that is irrelevant. 

Whether its water or sand, its not being added to a giant pool, its being added in a Hilbert's hotel model. 

[zen]

11 hours ago, AKane said:

ah.. good. This "wandering soul" sounds fine.  Individualism over collectivism in this world or the next for me.

Unfortunately, we don’t have a no choice. God has put in place an AI (as we are used to that term by now) which is powered by an extremely powerful quantum computer (humans are only beginning to scratch the surface of this field) that  eventually decides where one ends up based on one’s karma and dharma.

 

In certain rare cases, God can override the outcome decided by the AI. But usually, he does not interfere. 

 
The karma is experienced in almost every major field. If we don’t take care of our health, we fall sick. If we increase the pollution, that negative karma results in the earth become more inhospitable. 
 

[AKane]

4 hours ago, zen said:

If we increase the pollution, that negative karma results in the earth become more inhospitable. 

So if China increases pollution, a small Pacific island shares the negative karma created by China?

[zen]

52 minutes ago, AKane said:

So if China increases pollution, a small Pacific island shares the negative karma created by China?

Yeah, as people don’t care for other people. It is similar to a person being run down by a bad driver. Or a species being wiped off because of human activities.

And therefore, the need for everyone to do good karma as a negative karma can impact the whole society (and at times the world). 

 

I understand you are looking at this from the human PoV but God’s AI takes multiple factors into account which are beyond the human scope. It has no emotions (it cannot have when it has to take trillions of factors into account).
 

There is a need for “us” to be responsible. Religion is like a program that is designed to help us score better on this AI.

Edited October 2, 2024 by zen

[AKane]

33 minutes ago, zen said:

I understand you are looking at this from the human PoV but God’s AI takes multiple factors into account which are beyond the human scope. It has no emotions (it cannot have when it has to take trillions of factors into account).
 

You all seem to have an inside line into God and his machinations. Maybe you need to write a supplemental guide into the thinking of God.

 

There may be some good money to be made here on the side.

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, AKane said:

 

If x is a piece of sand to beaches of sand yes - if x is a drop of water to the oceans...... no. The real insanity is nobody knows what a atma(soul) is never mind a parmatma. So let it go....

Atma = living spirit / consciousness.

Paramatma = universe/nature.
Organic matter for body and consciousness comes from the universe/nature (paramatma).
After the cycle of life and death or if you believe only one cycle of life and death, atma will become part of the universe. 

[zen]

35 minutes ago, AKane said:

You all seem to have an inside line into God and his machinations. Maybe you need to write a supplemental guide into the thinking of God.

 

There may be some good money to be made here on the side.

Tbf, even the priest do not understand the religion well. They advance many incorrect anecdotes about God. 
 

Many of the tales about Lord Krishna are bogus. But since they have been told since centuries, it is seen as the truth, with even the priests harping about those.
 

There is so much misinformation that people will not believe the correct information unless God himself says! If you tell them the right thing, they will try to argue quoting some wrong information that they have lived with for years! 

[AKane]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Tbf, even the priest do not understand the religion well. They advance many incorrect anecdotes about God. 
 

Many of the tales about Lord Krishna are bogus. But since they have been told since centuries, it is seen as the truth, with even the priests harping about those.
 

There is so much misinformation that people will not believe the correct information unless God himself says! If you tell them the right thing, they will try to argue quoting some wrong information that they have lived with for years! 

yeah that happens in science as well....... Lot of politics in it.

 

If you oppose some politically correct theories even in something like Physics, you will be sidelined from all research funding going forward etc.

[zen]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

yeah that happens in science as well....... Lot of politics in it.

 

If you oppose some politically correct theories even in something like Physics, you will be sidelined from all research funding going forward etc.

 

Even though I am religious, I make fun of many of the gurus and religious speakers. 

 

Near my house (say like 300 meters away) is a famous ashram. The ashram invites usually well known speakers (I would not know their names) from all over the world. Many times, I go there to listen to them (and at times to entertain myself).

 

On one occasion, a speaker came to speak on Ramayana. He would hardly speak on Ramayana, dwell on mundane subjects, and start to sing as if to showcase his singing talent (maybe he was interested in becoming a singer in Gujarati films). 

 

On another occasion, a speaker came from UK. He was more interested in telling fables about his travels. Such as “When I had gone to Chicago someone asked Panditji is this …”. 

 

But in one way or the other, at least it allows people to connect with God. 

 

One time that I enjoyed someone speak was this lady who came from Madhya Pradesh (she has her videos on YT too but I can’t recall her name) to speak on Gita. She knew the book so well that I felt like doing  to her … But not many people came to listen to that. 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by zen

[zen]

In BD the HIndus suffered but these religious gurus did almost nothing. They are more interested in eating sweets made of pure ghee and be driven around in luxurious vehicles

 

At one temple, I asked them to make provisions for garbage bins. 

 

At one temple, I had to tell the management to do an urgent mosquito treatment. By the time, I folded my hands, a swarm attacked me. 

 

I may have contacted mild Dengue as I have itchy rashes on my hands now.