Will Hinduism become extinct?

[Singh bling]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

They kicked out Muslims and gave away the birthplace of Guru Nanak and other Sikh holy places like Khatarpur  to Pakistan. So valiant. 

First do Google about Sikh princely states then post.

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

First do Google about Sikh princely states then post.

Tell me if they were outside of Punjab?  None of them protested to British  to include Nankana Sahib, which is 14 kms from the Radcliffe border into Indian Punjab? Amritsar and Golden Temple had predominantly Muslim population was awarded to India, but why not Sikh holy places? 
 

Google says..

 

Those eight princely states were Patiala, Nabha, Malerkotla, Jind, Kapurthala, Faridkot, Nalagarh, and Kalsia.

 

 

[RizBarKhan]

It’s definitely in decline, it will always remain a regional ethno racial belief system similar to Nordic paganism,  Daoism and  Zoroastrianism - a large part of that is because it doesn’t exactly have the same appeal as abrahamic religions which are a lot more simpler and most of the world is familiar with all 3 Abrahamic faiths. Just look at the Indian diaspora in any country where it’s been for over 50+ years and you’ll see Hinduism declining - from South Africa to Guyana to Fiji to Trinidad even a lot of western countries, by the second generation most Indians are atheists or Christian, eventually by the 4th generation over 90% of Indians become Christian.

 

I even see this phenomenon in newer Indian diasporas such as the one in the US, a lot of American raised Indians are non religious or convert to Christianity by the time they’re in college and their children most definitely do not even learn anything about Hinduism, they either join a church or remain agnostic, you can thank India’s state encouraged mass emigration program for that - more and more Indians will immigrate to the west and their children and future descendants (who will be part Indian at best) will not stay Hindu, in about 50-100 years you’ll see a bunch of westerners with Brahmin last names either preaching the gospel or promoting atheism. There will always be some hippy liberals that might coopt Hinduism but it will always be a niche hobby/lifestyle rather than a widespread movement. Occasionally you’ll get some 1/8th Indian kid who will dabble in Hindu mythology the way white people geek out over Greek mythology but it’s never gonna be anything more than a hobby. That said, as long as India remains the cradle of Hindutva then Hinduism will always be alive, it just won’t ever be a global religion and this is some thing its adherents should accept and be okay with and since a lot of Hindus acknowledge that it isn’t a missionary religion and they don’t seek out converts then they should be content with the range of Hinduism, if anything it’s probably better off remaining a regional belief/ethnoreligion like Hasidism and Druze. Any over ambitious aspirations will lead you to disappointment.

Edited September 6, 2024 by RizBarKhan

[coffee_rules]

10 minutes ago, RizBarKhan said:

It’s definitely in decline, it will always remain a regional ethno racial belief system similar to Nordic paganism,  Daoism and  Zoroastrianism - a large part of that is because it doesn’t exactly have the same appeal as abrahamic religions which are a lot more simpler and most of the world is familiar with all 3 Abrahamic faiths. Just look at the Indian diaspora in any country where it’s been for over 50+ years and you’ll see Hinduism declining - from South Africa to Guyana to Fiji to Trinidad even a lot of western countries, by the second generation most Indians are atheists or Christian, eventually by the 4th generation over 90% of Indians become Christian.

 

I even see this phenomenon in newer Indian diasporas such as the one in the US, a lot of American raised Indians are non religious or convert to Christianity by the time they’re in college and their children most definitely do not even learn anything about Hinduism, they either join a church or remain agnostic, you can thank India’s state encouraged mass emigration program for that - more and more Indians will immigrate to the west and their children and future descendants (who will be part Indian at best) will not stay Hindu, in about 50-100 years you’ll see a bunch of westerners with Brahmin last names either preaching the gospel or promoting atheism. There will always be some hippy liberals that might coopt Hinduism but it will always be a niche hobby/lifestyle rather than a widespread movement. Occasionally you’ll get some 1/8th Indian kid who will dabble in Hindu mythology the way white people geek out over Greek mythology but it’s never gonna be anything more than a hobby. That said, as long as India remains the cradle of Hindutva then Hinduism will always be alive, it just won’t ever be a global religion and this is some thing its adherents should accept and be okay with and since a lot of Hindus acknowledge that it isn’t a missionary religion and they don’t seek out converts then they should be content with the range of Hinduism, if anything it’s probably better off remaining a regional belief/ethnoreligion like Hasidism and Druze. Any over ambitious aspirations will lead you to disappointment.

Because Religion is not a dick-measuring contest like yours and Christianity is. 

[Singh bling]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Tell me if they were outside of Punjab?  None of them protested to British  to include Nankana Sahib, which is 14 kms from the Radcliffe border into Indian Punjab? Amritsar and Golden Temple had predominantly Muslim population was awarded to India, but why not Sikh holy places? 
 

Google says..

 

Those eight princely states were Patiala, Nabha, Malerkotla, Jind, Kapurthala, Faridkot, Nalagarh, and Kalsia.

 

 

First of all princely states were in East Punjab . They don't have any say in affairs of West Punjab. They neither had any power on the awarding various districts to either India or Pakistan.

 

The leader of Sikhs at that time was master Tara singh who tried his level best that Sikhs don't have to in Pakistan.

 

Master Tara Singh And The Partition Of Punjab: How His Leadership Delivered East Punjab For India And Saved The Sikh Faith

 

 

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/master-tara-singh-and-the-partition-of-punjab-how-his-leadership-delivered-east-punjab-for-india-and-saved

 

Ishtiaq Ahmed, a Pakistani author who has exhaustively researched the issue of the partition of Punjab, has suggested that “awarding the seven Muslim-majority tahsils to East Punjab was Radcliffe’s idea of fair play in meeting, in some substantial measure, the Sikh demand to be consolidated in East Punjab”. He goes on to state that such an “inference is plausible as the various public statements of the British government mention a consideration of the special status of the Sikhs.” Impressions of the Sikhs’ relative power, rather than abstract notions of fair play, are of course more likely to have influenced the British decision.

These successes, however, cannot make up for the fact that Partition marked a disaster for the Sikhs. Lakhs of Sikhs were murdered, raped and abducted; the Sikhs, being the most prosperous community throughout Punjab, also suffered the heaviest economic losses

 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radcliffe_Line

 

If you interested in partition then read about it from all sources. Pakistani 's already cry that several area were unjustly awarded to India on western side. While on the eastern Side Hindu and Buddhist were unable to save Chittagong hill tract.

 

Nothing more was possible on Western side for india or Sikhs.

 

[RizBarKhan]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Because Religion is not a dick-measuring contest like yours and Christianity is. 

The point of religion is to explain our purpose in this world and how to make it to paradise. Any belief system that doesn’t explain that is not really a religion but more of a cultural group/cult/mythology.

[zen]

49 minutes ago, RizBarKhan said:

The point of religion is to explain our purpose in this world and how to make it to paradise. Any belief system that doesn’t explain that is not really a religion but more of a cultural group/cult/mythology.

If the purpose of life is to kill kafirs to avail 72 virgins in paradise, I wouldn’t bother! 
 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, RizBarKhan said:

The point of religion is to explain our purpose in this world and how to make it to paradise. Any belief system that doesn’t explain that is not really a religion but more of a cultural group/cult/mythology.

 

See, you should not partake in this discussion with such thoughts on religion. By praying to Allah and submitting to him, doesn't get you into a paradise with 72 hoors.   You should not believe in thr word kaffir to talk about other religions. They don't even exist in your book, so that is how you want your paradise - kill all kaffirs. Did Mohammed ride on a white horse to the moon and spilit it into two is a reality in your case and not a mythology?

[Zero_Unit]

will be a blessing. I'll throw a party when that happens. All religion needs die (espacially the big 3 - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - same sh*t religion, with a bunch of revision like your effing school book each year)

[zen]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Did Mohammed ride on a white horse to the moon and spilit it into two is a reality in your case and not a mythology?

Let’s not forget how Jerusalem “became” important in Islam: Night Journey

 

Btw, if each one gets 72 virgins, the paradise must have unlimited virgins (Paradise could be like a factory producing virgins)  … and if there are only 72 virgins, it would create a serious shortage (one may need to be on a waiting list for years to get pampered by them) 

Edited September 7, 2024 by zen

[zen]

Below Lord Ganesh is made to look like Kohli:

 

Let’s not forgot to create more temples for politicians, actors, cricketers, etc.

Edited September 8, 2024 by zen

[Gollum]

Mockery of the faith by our own.

[zen]

On 9/7/2024 at 6:55 AM, Zero_Unit said:

will be a blessing. I'll throw a party when that happens. All religion needs die (espacially the big 3 - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - same sh*t religion, with a bunch of revision like your effing school book each year)

It is not the religion, which is supposed to separate humans from animals, but that humans find ways to misrepresent it to use and control others using the means available to them. For e.g. we even use the color of our skins as a means to group people. Other tools that we use include nationalism, socialism, communism, etc. 

 

Bhagat Gita tells you all you need to know about a religion. Below are a few quotes from Chapter 5:

 

 

“The karm yogis, who are of purified intellect, and who control the mind and senses, see the Soul of all souls in every living being. Though performing all kinds of actions, they are never entangled.”

“Neither the sense of doership nor the nature of actions comes from God; nor does He create the fruits of actions. All this is enacted by the modes of material nature (guṇas).”

 

“The omnipresent God does not involve Himself in the sinful or virtuous deeds of anyone. The living entities are deluded because their inner knowledge is covered by ignorance.”

 

“The pleasures that arise from contact with the sense objects, though appearing as enjoyable to worldly-minded people, are verily a source of misery. O son of Kunti, such pleasures have a beginning and an end, so the wise do not delight in them.”

 

“Those persons are yogis, who before giving up the body are able to check the forces of desire and anger; and they alone are happy.”

 

“The truly learned, with the eyes of divine knowledge, see with equal vision a Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and a dog-eater.”

Basically, telling us to improve ourselves (and therefore the community) through good deeds, equality, not differentiating, not being materialistic, etc. 
 

Religion here is about doing good to ourselves to attain a higher state (as explained in Gita). And if more and more people work to improve themselves, that leads to a better society.
 

But we do not necessarily want a better society. We want good materials, power, control, etc., so if a religion gets in our way, we “twist” it to instead use it for our goals! 
 

Edited September 8, 2024 by zen

[Gollum]

@coffee_rules this is why don't put paramilitary personnel on a pedestal. Innocent Hindu civilians will always be alone, cornered.

 

 

 

 

Meira Paibi complains about that when the #ChinKukiNarcoTerrorists attack Meitei villages from the hills, instead of stopping the aggressors the AR will come and conduct operations in the village attacked to arrest and recover arms from the Meitei Villages defenders! Meira Paibi… https://t.co/LYWwnZ2YUT

— Satsangi (@Satsangi3523) September 8, 2024

[Gollum]

If you follow North East SM spaces (eg. reddit), they all (even the India haters) allege that central forces are siding with Kukis. Waise SM pe, international media mein these Kuki terrorists are saints and dying Meiteis are the source of all problems. Any attempt to correct these lies? 

[AKane]

From Norway to New Zealand is Christianity.

From Alaska to Argentina is Christianity

 

From Morocco to Malaysia is Islam.

From Kazakhstan to Kenya is Islam.

 

And Hinduism? Never mind........

[Muloghonto]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:45 AM, Alam_dar said:

As an atheist, I acknowledge that my viewpoint may be inherently biased. Generally, I perceive organized religions as having several drawbacks.

For instance, I feel that Hinduism, much like Islam, has somehow evolved into an organized religion through the establishment of sacred texts such as the Vedas and the development of a religious legal system based on smritis, particularly the Manu Smriti. This codification resembles Islamic Sharia law and can lead to rigid structures that may stifle individual interpretation and diversity within the faith.

This says you havent read the hindu texts. Hindu texts are not absolute in their claims like islamic or christian texts are. 

 

On 9/4/2024 at 10:45 AM, Alam_dar said:

 

Dr. Richard Dawkins identifies himself as an atheist, yet he maintains traditional Christian practices by enjoying churches and festivals despite not believing in the Bible. 

 

Similarly, although I am an atheist, I still appreciate Qawwali spiritual songs and hold a deep affection for Sufi Muslims, in contrast to my difficulty in relating to orthodox Muslims. 

 

I believe that traditional Hindus aspire to a more "spiritual Hinduism," which emphasizes personal spirituality and philosophical exploration, rather than the radical and often politicized forms of Hinduism we observe today. Buddha can here serve as an example, who refused to believe in sacred texts and in organized Hinduism, but traditionally, he was also a Hindu. 

Richard Dawkins is an idiot, because he openly admits that his position of atheism is viable only by aggressively co-opting agnosticism under atheism. 

[coffee_rules]

54 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@coffee_rules this is why don't put paramilitary personnel on a pedestal. Innocent Hindu civilians will always be alone, cornered.

 

 

 

 

In matters of ISI or BCB vs our forces, I will believe our paramilitary forces first. This Manipur issue is a historical mess for us to make judgements on BJP alone. It is only damage control of a civil war and there will be anecdotes of bad treatments by the Army. Even Kashmiris complained about our Army of rape and pillage. 
 

It is well known the Kuki tribes enjoyed ST reservations, doles given out by repeated Congress governments. They were in bed with Christian missionaries and helping out Kuki terrorists infiltrating from Myanmar who are into narco cultivations in the hills. It does not start immediately after BJP came in. The BJP cut down a lot on Narco cultivation in the hills and dealt with crime which caused imbalance to the ecosystem. 
 

The simmering tribals tensions based on job reservations and Meiteis having no economic prospects wanted jobs or land in the hills for agriculture (most of tribal land is own by Kuki tribes). There were PILs against the reservation and one PIL raised by Congress activist in the HC favored the reservations for Meiteis also. This caused the basis for riots between tribes and all terrorists and external forces have used the fault lines perfectly well. 
 

These anecdotes that you posted are used to discredit the army in vulnerable situations as though that is the official policy against Meiteis by the current government. 
 

The BJP government is a mix of Kuki and Meiteis and hence you will see BJP doing monkey balancing. 
 

India should favor Meiteis more ideally as they are the victims, but Congress will not sit lying down and let their Kuki support take it peacefully. I will refrain from any judgement on current government or Army in this situation. 
 

BJP should announce central rule, get Army in immediately to restrain the Kuki Christian terrorists and negotiate peace with the Kuki tribes. Let it be a JPC effort , leave politics out of it. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

From Norway to New Zealand is Christianity.

From Alaska to Argentina is Christianity

 

From Morocco to Malaysia is Islam.

From Kazakhstan to Kenya is Islam.

 

And Hinduism? Never mind........

Getting wiped out of South Asia (just India Nepal now), the final frontier for these two predatory religions. Atheists are in the frontlines behind these powerful armies with their “all religions are same” pipedreams. 

[coffee_rules]

52 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

This says you havent read the hindu texts. Hindu texts are not absolute in their claims like islamic or christian texts are. 

 

Richard Dawkins is an idiot, because he openly admits that his position of atheism is viable only by aggressively co-opting agnosticism under atheism. 

And he openly admitted to be afraid of Islam and steered clear of any criticism of Islam and facking pee’ed in his pants. All his valor is against non-Islam