Will Hinduism become extinct?

[AKane]

10 hours ago, zen said:

The key is that religion is based on faith. Prove this or prove that is a way to harass religious people. There is no point in asking others for proof when one is supposed to take his own journey to discover God.
 

The stand - “show me God and then I will follow”, defeats the purpose of religion. 

 

There is no compulsion to believe. Whether we believe in God or not, God’s AI could still evaluating our deeds. 

Life is supposed to be a slog. At some point, we have to look up at the sky in despair to seek guidance. 
 

 
 

 

Fine on faith and "show me God".

 

However questions arise when God gets all worked up if Draupadi goes through whatever...."How could they? Lets have Mahabharat."  etc.

 

Then tens of thousands of Rajput women commit sati or jauhar to not fall under the hands of Muslim invaders and the same Gods shrug and say "Oh well, crap happens. Move on."

 

That is hard to stomach ..... as a Hindu and questions arise about these Gods. 

[coffee_rules]

30 minutes ago, zen said:

I am talking about marriage from a religious PoV. In Hinduism, people tend to marry in front of a fire, with a pandit chanting mantras, the couples doing seven rounds, etc. Where even the families come together. 
 

Every species has been reproducing. For human beings - Adam & Eve (from Bible). To reproduce, there would be some companionship otherwise how would people mate and take care of their young ones. 

The issue with some folks is that they don’t understand that these are basics. There is no need to start from zero.
 

If we talk about marriage being advanced through religion, they throw some basic info from website or something they learned at university about tribes, animals, etc. Seriously!!

Therefore, my response is simple - bring me the bird, animal, tribe, etc., and I will analyze and decide.  

 

Usually, I am posting on religion based on my own philosophies, analysis, interaction with others including environment, etc. … with a focus on the big picture more often than not!

 

Not talking about reproduction, but having lifelong partnership (as what marriage is basically) is observed in animals as well. Religion has got order to society in terms of crime, morality, ethics , family bonding certainly.

[AKane]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Hallelujah!! I am convinced and converted!! But you have to wait till judgement day, qayamat day to get deliverance !!  Unill then you are buried in your coffin or kafan waiting for  eternity. Your bones are super strong made by Allah to last till qayamat and not decay like any organic material.
 

In Hinduism, we promise you out out your misery as soon as you die and burned out in the pyre and get reborn to have fun and frolic again!!

Fine so the journey in Hinduism through many lives is better than rotting in a coffin as bacteria decompose your body and bones and even the fillings in your teeth.

 

That does not address Moksha though.....At the end how is the nothingburger of "Moksha" better than everlasting life with all joy and no sorrow?

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Not talking about reproduction, but having lifelong partnership (as what marriage is basically) is observed in animals as well. Religion has got order to society in terms of crime, morality, ethics , family bonding certainly.

As I said that “info” is “programmed” into them much like to eat, sleep, etc. It is more or less a group that is living and moving around together. 
 

In ancient book, iirc, it has been mentioned about marriage including how people acted “freely”. 

Religion brought in concepts of right & wrong. 
 

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

Fine on faith and "show me God".

 

However questions arise when God gets all worked up if Draupadi goes through whatever...."How could they? Lets have Mahabharat."  etc.

 

Then tens of thousands of Rajput women commit sati or jauhar to not fall under the hands of Muslim invaders and the same Gods shrug and say "Oh well, crap happens. Move on."

 

That is hard to stomach ..... as a Hindu and questions arise about these Gods. 

 

That's highly reductionistic view of faith. As per you, nobody should die in plane crashes as there are some devout people there. Think about good things happen like when somebody is saved by a surgeon, and he says it's all god's work. Hinduism explains why bad things happen to good people with the karmic law.

[AKane]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

That's highly reductionistic view of faith. As per you, nobody should die in plane crashes as there are some devout people there. Think about good things happen like when somebody is saved by a surgeon, and he says it's all god's work. Hinduism explains why bad things happen to good people with the karmic law.

You are equating the willing suicide by 10's of thousands of Rajput women to an accident like a plane crash? 

[AKane]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hinduism explains why bad things happen to good people with the karmic law.

So why get worked up about Draupadi when Karmic law can explain it vs the Rajput women? Double standards?

[zen]

20 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

Fine on faith and "show me God".

 

However questions arise when God gets all worked up if Draupadi goes through whatever...."How could they? Lets have Mahabharat."  etc.

 

Then tens of thousands of Rajput women commit sati or jauhar to not fall under the hands of Muslim invaders and the same Gods shrug and say "Oh well, crap happens. Move on."

 

That is hard to stomach ..... as a Hindu and questions arise about these Gods. 

Draupadi and Pandavas were connected to Lord Krishna, who was living in form of a human being. Lord himself had to be saved from his uncle Kansa (of course, he would be in control but would let men take the initiative).
 

Mahabharata is said to have reset the sacred knowledge. The powerful beings could have hurt the world with that kind of knowledge. 
 

God does not participate in regular functioning of the universe, which can be made better by following the path shown. Many saints spent years trying to please a God but nothing is guaranteed. 
 

His temples get looted, destroyed, and burnt as well. The priests get killed. Those problems are ours to face and solve. 

 

Human beings are such that if God gave them everything, they would not even bother to eat, praying for a miracle for food to be get somehow cooked and put into their stomach (why bother with chewing it as well  ).

 

We don’t come to this world to live luxuriously (some ppl live based on their deeds). We come here because we are meant to suffer, and through religion we can alleviate our sufferings. 

Edited September 9, 2024 by zen

[Muloghonto]

16 hours ago, zen said:

Yeah, with multiple people including possibly males and a definition that can even make animals “married”
 

Discuss the theories of the proper uses of scientific methods, facts, and logic with your professor.
 

Buddy, in real world, you have to understand other people’s pov, including reading b/w the lines! No one is going to spoon feed you based on how “you” understand things. 

 

Appears as if you have learned nothing from what I have posted. 

Yes, in real world, when someone says to you ' your theory is nonsense due to reasons xyz', you have to either counter the reasons or accept that your pov is nonsense. 

What you have posted is nonsense. As i pointed out.

 

[Muloghonto]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

As I said that “info” is “programmed” into them much like to eat, sleep, etc. It is more or less a group that is living and moving around together. 
 

In ancient book, iirc, it has been mentioned about marriage including how people acted “freely”. 

Religion brought in concepts of right & wrong. 
 

As i said, you are wrong, given that animals like elephants, dolphins, bonobos show different social skills based on captivity or wild. meaning, not programmed but learned. 

Religion didnt bring concept of right or wrong, because people without religion also have the same concept of right and wrong. 

cant make baseless statements. 

 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

As i said, you are wrong, given that animals like elephants, dolphins, bonobos show different social skills based on captivity or wild. meaning, not programmed but learned. 

Religion didnt bring concept of right or wrong, because people without religion also have the same concept of right and wrong. 

cant make baseless statements. 

 

DNA programmed by God  

 

Of course, you would not have learnt that through your professor.
 

Mention not!

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, zen said:

DNA programmed by God  

 

Of course, you would not have learnt that through your professor.
 

Mention not!

False. 
IF it was DNA programmed by God, then bonobos/elephants/dolphins wouldnt show marked different bonding skills in captivity than in wild, meaning it is learned behaviour not programmed behaviour. 

 

[AKane]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

Draupadi and Pandavas were connected to Lord Krishna, who was living in form of a human being. Lord himself had to be saved from his uncle Kansa (of course, he would be in control but would let men take the initiative).
 

Mahabharata is said to have reset the sacred knowledge. The powerful beings could have hurt the world with that kind of knowledge. 

The Mahabharat caused the death of a lot of warriors in the land of Bharat who could have helped in the invasions of the same land later.... they were sacrificed for the obsession of Krishna with the Pandavas and Draupadi. 

 

8 minutes ago, zen said:

God does not participate in regular functioning of the universe, which can be made better by following the path shown. Many saints spent years trying to please a God but nothing is guaranteed. 
 

His temples get looted, destroyed, and burnt as well. The priests get killed. Those problems are ours to face and solve. 

Oh I agree Hindu Gods definitely do not participate when they see Muslims or Christians.... that is why 15 percent of the world's population is crammed into 2.4 percent of the worlds land and shrinking. 

 

I agree we have a lot of problems to solve but they need our regular prayers. One thing Hindu Gods need to realize - if Hinduism dies, nobody will pray to them. No amount of fancy talk will change that.

[zen]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

As i said, you are wrong, given that animals like elephants, dolphins, bonobos show different social skills based on captivity or wild. meaning, not programmed but learned. 

Religion didnt bring concept of right or wrong, because people without religion also have the same concept of right and wrong. 

cant make baseless statements. 

 

Bring those animals here and I will show it to you that they have religion too.

 

Of course, such info would not be available on Google yet. Therefore, you will need to wait till the info gets updated, your syllabus gets updated!

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

False. 
IF it was DNA programmed by God, then bonobos/elephants/dolphins wouldnt show marked different bonding skills in captivity than in wild, meaning it is learned behaviour not programmed behaviour. 

 

Good to see that you have to rely on bonobos, elephants, and dolphins  

 

Bring them here, along with your professor, and I will teach you a few things!

 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, zen said:

Good to see that you have to rely on bonobos, elephants, and dolphins  

 

Bring them here, along with your professor, and I will teach you a few things!

 

Good to see you are open to facts instead of making **** up randomly. 

Teach us how god programmed bonobos to act differently in captivity than in the wild. Maybe god programmed every aspect of your life and you dont really have a choice either.

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Bring those animals here and I will show it to you that they have religion too.

 

Of course, such info would not be available on Google yet. Therefore, you will need to wait till the info gets updated, your syllabus gets updated!

 

I'd be more happy if you can defend or alter your baseless statements instead of being an ego driven fool that is warned against in our religions who makes idiotic deductions from anecdotal evidence. 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, AKane said:

The Mahabharat caused the death of a lot of warriors in the land of Bharat who could have helped in the invasions of the same land later.... they were sacrificed for the obsession of Krishna with the Pandavas and Draupadi. 

 

Oh I agree Hindu Gods definitely do not participate when they see Muslims or Christians.... that is why 15 percent of the world's population is crammed into 2.4 percent of the worlds land and shrinking. 

 

I agree we have a lot of problems to solve but they need our regular prayers. One thing Hindu Gods need to realize - if Hinduism dies, nobody will pray to them. No amount of fancy talk will change that.

Gods know. We don’t know what they know. And there are multiple galaxies so we are only a part of his universe.

 

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Gods know. We don’t know what they know. And there are multiple galaxies so we are only a part of his universe.

 

That is called evasion. Gods may know, but you clearly don't. 

That is why you cannot explain the exception cases to your conclusions and you are way too ego-driven to admit mistake or learn. Not very godly behaviour.

 

[AKane]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Gods know. We don’t know what they know. And there are multiple galaxies so we are only a part of his universe.

 

I agree I don't know either - that is why I am an agnostic.

 

Believers don't know but they believe what they are supposed/told to believe.

 

Agnostics don't know what to believe.

[AKane]

17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

False. 
IF it was DNA programmed by God, then bonobos/elephants/dolphins wouldnt show marked different bonding skills in captivity than in wild, meaning it is learned behaviour not programmed behaviour. 

 

I will just say this man - it is all so complex that I think it is not possible to understand at our level of understanding.

 

There is something out there - but I don't know what. Religions try to make it simple to understand but I think they all fail miserably.

 

Yes something is out there but I don't know what. If it is not and life ends at death then it is all so meaningless. The behavior of elephants and birds and dolphins is a good example of how complex things are and way beyond our ability to understand. Religion just seems like a drug to escape from not knowing and pretend to know something.