Will Hinduism become extinct?

[zen]

Just now, AKane said:

I agree I don't know either - that is why I am an agnostic.

 

Believers don't know but they believe what they are supposed/told to believe.

 

Agnostics don't know what to believe.

Religion is about faith. Therefore, it is a tough path. 

 

Since religion (not the one doctored by us) comes from a different (God’s) domain, it is difficult to grasp it using our human intelligence and its limitations. 
 

I am happy to be a Hindu. And I don’t mind if someone is circumspect about the religion as well. 

 

[Muloghonto]

44 minutes ago, AKane said:

Fine so the journey in Hinduism through many lives is better than rotting in a coffin as bacteria decompose your body and bones and even the fillings in your teeth.

 

That does not address Moksha though.....At the end how is the nothingburger of "Moksha" better than everlasting life with all joy and no sorrow?

 

Because every adult knows that feeling of satisfaction and contentment is a lot more powerful and alluring than that of joy and happiness over a long period of time. 

Everlasting life/everlasting pain is fundamentally unjust and is yet another example of how god of abraham is actually no god but a demon : how the hell can there be infinite reward/infinite punishment for finite crime/good deeds ? That is definition of injustice.

 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, AKane said:

I will just say this man - it is all so complex that I think it is not possible to understand at our level of understanding.

 

There is something out there - but I don't know what. Religions try to make it simple to understand but I think they all fail miserably.

 

Yes something is out there but I don't know what. If it is not and life ends at death then it is all so meaningless. The behavior of elephants and birds and dolphins is a good example of how complex things are and way beyond our ability to understand. Religion just seems like a drug to escape from not knowing and pretend to know something.

Incorrect. Life is meaningful because it ends at death. If life didnt end at death, then life would be meaningless and this is precisely why the death cults of abraham are so irreverent with their lives, as their lives are seen as meaningless for whatever everlasting there is. 

 

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, AKane said:

I agree I don't know either - that is why I am an agnostic.

 

Believers don't know but they believe what they are supposed/told to believe.

 

Agnostics don't know what to believe.

As you age, you don't believe the puranic stories happened to the lasf letter, it has been done with some exaggeration. But we try to understand the abstractness of it or the morals of it. Sometimes, it is just pure magic of poetry. Also, the understanding of god is more spritual than ritual. The trinity (trimurthi / Tridev) is actually one supreme consciousness (Adi Shakti) and the other 3 are manifestations.  

[Vancouver]

Would I be sad if Hinduism cease to exist? 
 

Yes if populace converts to a different religion 

 

No if they go irreligious, along with rest of India

 

As a nation, you get rid of the biggest roadblock to development and harmony. 

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, Vancouver said:

Would I be sad if Hinduism cease to exist? 
 

Yes if populace converts to a different religion 

 

No if they go irreligious, along with rest of India

 

As a nation, you get rid of the biggest roadblock to development and harmony. 

then that would be islam. Not hinduism, which has no problems with any non abrahamic religions. Irreligious isnt working out too well for the west socially, incase you haven't noticed. 

 

[RizBarKhan]

Yes, Hinduism is headed the way of the dodo. I don’t mean any disrespect to Hindus, this is just my projection based off current and historical trends. In the future, Hinduism will follow the fate of all other Indo-European belief systems, it will be a mythology, at best, maybe it will be adapted into a Marvel movie, perhaps they will make a movie about Shiva and Krishna the way they make movies about Thor and Hercules.

Edited September 9, 2024 by RizBarKhan

[coffee_rules]

On 9/6/2024 at 4:06 PM, RizBarKhan said:

That said, as long as India remains the cradle of Hindutva then Hinduism will always be alive, 

 

Earlier you had said above^^

 

36 minutes ago, RizBarKhan said:

Yes, Hinduism is headed the way of the dodo. I don’t mean any disrespect to Hindus, this is just my projection based off current and historical trends. In the future, Hinduism will follow the fate of all other Indo-European belief systems, it will be a mythology, at best, maybe it will be adapted into a Marvel movie, perhaps they will make a movie about Shiva and Krishna the way they make movies about Thor and Hercules.

 

Pick one. It seems like you wrote the second one is after you were sodo... never mind!

[RizBarKhan]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Earlier you had said above^^

 

 

Pick one. It seems like you wrote the second one is after you were sodo... never mind!

I mean it would somewhat stay alive due to Hindutva but then I started thinking about if even Hindutva will survive and I think it will eventually collapse.

Edited September 9, 2024 by RizBarKhan

[ravishingravi]

On 9/6/2024 at 9:49 AM, Gollum said:

We won't get a better opportunity than the one in 1947. Messed up badly. Sikhs took care of M problem in their region, except Malerkotla (blunder IMO), Gandhi and Nehru dropped the ball when Hindus were doing their job, and like sheep Hindus listened to them. Civilizational war lost there, now no chance. What @ravishingravi said will happen.

 

BJP has embraced this reality in my view. I think charade of resistance will change and move towards co-opting. 

 

Sadist in me wants this to happen in very crude and harsh way to Hindus like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

 

Coward civilizations that don't fight the demon and instead choose to eat itself up deserve a harsh and painful death. 

 

The curse of Hindus who resisted and died in Bangladesh and Pakistan, while we looked the other way, will come back to haunt us. 

 

A section of this country backed the alliance that linked sanatana dharma with disease. A dharma that can't fight back against this deserves to die imo. 

[zen]

Re: Bonobos, elephants, dolphins, and some obscure tribe(s). 

 

Professor Bhagla Bhagat had wisely remarked that “exceptions” are not rules. However, in the interest of the scientific (and therefore unidimensional) mind, I will share the insights gained by some renowned thinkers.

 

 

Dr. Mac Burger in his comprehensive study of Bonobos & Elephants found a close connection with God. In his study of captive animals, when food was not made available to them, they looked at heaven, praying to God. The Bonobos even folded their hands in prayer. His various other observations revealed similar tendencies, making him believe that some of these animals may have an advanced way to feel the supernatural. Therefore, Dr. Burger concluded that religious tendencies were programmed in their DNA.

 

 

A Christian missionary, Johnny Walker, spent some time with the Golimaru tribe. The tribe had been isolated for time immemorial. His initial assertion was that there was no religion in place. 

 

He devoted his time to learn the Goli language, hoping to teach Christianity to the Golimaru people. After learning the language, he discovered that the tribe had an ancestor called Hu Tutu. 

 

Hu Tutu was said to go to the forest and speak with a fire. Many accounts state that the fire moved in various directions and even grew or shortened in length as if it was talking to Hu Tutu in an animated fashion. 

 

Further digging by Walker revealed that it could be a fire similar to one that spoke to Moses. Even prophet Mohammad is said to have spoken to God and/or his messenger when he shut himself in a cave. 

 

Walker also learned that Gods or their prophets do not need to be physically present to teach human beings on the way of life. Those aspects could be “communicated” in a variety of ways.

 

 

Deep in the ocean, the diver, Orange Crème, was surrounded with despair as his vessel had developed a hole. The vessel would sink in a matter of time. When he began to pray, a Dolphin jumped up from the ocean and made a sign of a cross to him. Believing this to be a divine signal, Crème dived into the ocean to be rescued by the holy Dolphin. 

 

At the Church of the Two Castles, the Crème matter was discussed in details. Dr. Mickey Furytail was pursued to investigate this phenomena. 

 

Crème and Furytail ventured into a different part of the ocean to study the Dolphins. They observed that many Dolphins made a sign of the cross, concluding a connection with the God. 

 

 

I have access to compressive research of Prof. Bagla Bhagat, Dr. Mac Burger and Dr. Micky Furytail, and other such eminent personalities, along with notes of the missionary Johnny Walker. I can share more such research (there is no need for me to Google as well) IF the experiences of animals, birds, and some isolated tribes are pertinent to the discussion of a religion and its rituals.  
 

 

Edited September 10, 2024 by zen

[zen]

^ From the above, we can also understand why “anecdotes” were used by religious people in the past as people would grasp the fine points of religion  relatively easily (People still don’t get religion despite advances in education, which can in fact be used negatively to run down a religion).

 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, zen said:

Re: Bonobos, elephants, dolphins, and some obscure tribe(s). 

 

Professor Bhagla Bhagat had wisely remarked that “exceptions” are not rules. However, in the interest of the scientific (and therefore unidimensional) mind, I will share the insights gained by some renowned thinkers.

 

 

Dr. Mac Burger in his comprehensive study of Bonobos & Elephants found a close connection with God. In his study of captive animals, when food was not made available to them, they looked at heaven, praying to God. The Bonobos even folded their hands in prayer. His various other observations revealed similar tendencies, making him believe that some of these animals may have an advanced way to feel the supernatural. Therefore, Dr. Burger concluded that religious tendencies were programmed in their DNA.

 

 

A Christian missionary, Johnny Walker, spent some time with the Golimaru tribe. The tribe had been isolated for time immemorial. His initial assertion was that there was no religion in place. 

 

He devoted his time to learn the Goli language, hoping to teach Christianity to the Golimaru people. After learning the language, he discovered that the tribe had an ancestor called Hu Tutu. 

 

Hu Tutu was said to go to the forest and speak with a fire. Many accounts state that the fire moved in various directions and even grew or shortened in length as if it was talking to Hu Tutu in an animated fashion. 

 

Further digging by Walker revealed that it could be a fire similar to one that spoke to Moses. Even prophet Mohammad is said to have spoken to God and/or his messenger when he shut himself in a cave. 

 

Walker also learned that Gods or their prophets do not need to be physically present to teach human beings on the way of life. Those aspects could be “communicated” in a variety of ways.

 

 

Deep in the ocean, the diver, Orange Crème, was surrounded with despair as his vessel had developed a hole. The vessel would sink in a matter of time. When he began to pray, a Dolphin jumped up from the ocean and made a sign of a cross to him. Believing this to be a divine signal, Crème dived into the ocean to be rescued by the holy Dolphin. 

 

At the Church of the Two Castles, the Crème matter was discussed in details. Dr. Mickey Furytail was pursued to investigate this phenomena. 

 

Crème and Furytail ventured into a different part of the ocean to study the Dolphins. They observed that many Dolphins made a sign of the cross, concluding a connection with the God. 

 

 

I have access to compressive research of Prof. Bagla Bhagat, Dr. Mac Burger and Dr. Micky Furytail, and other such eminent personalities, along with notes of the missionary Johnny Walker. I can share more such research (there is no need for me to Google as well) IF the experiences of animals, birds, and some isolated tribes are pertinent to the discussion of a religion and its rituals.  
 

 

Folded hands is praying now, says a hindu. 

Also no citation. These are just religious nonsense claims from people who are not scientists. 

What i said on the other hand - that bonobo and dolphin social skills are markedly different when raised in captivity vs wild, shows that they are LEARNED responses, can be easily cited. 

 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, zen said:

^ From the above, we can also understand why “anecdotes” were used by religious people in the past as people would grasp the fine points of religion  relatively easily (People still don’t get religion despite advances in education, which can in fact be used negatively to run down a religion).

 

people get religion, but people dont get bullshit personal opinions that are false being peddled in name of religion. Which religious people do all the time especially of the fanatical kind, given that they are liars to rest of the world when they say they know god/gods exist. 

 

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

BJP has embraced this reality in my view. I think charade of resistance will change and move towards co-opting. 

 

Sadist in me wants this to happen in very crude and harsh way to Hindus like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

 

Coward civilizations that don't fight the demon and instead choose to eat itself up deserve a harsh and painful death. 

 

The curse of Hindus who resisted and died in Bangladesh and Pakistan, while we looked the other way, will come back to haunt us. 

 

A section of this country backed the alliance that linked sanatana dharma with disease. A dharma that can't fight back against this deserves to die imo. 

 

You have to understand the history of hinduism and not frame it from the glasses of the abrahamics. 

Why is hinduism so 'docile' ?  It is because Hinduism operates on the Borg philosophy: we will assimilate you. And in this regard, Hinduism is the Usain Bolt of the assimilative religions, as Hinduism has easily assimilated native shamanist religions ( those of bhut, pret, tantra, aka animism religions),the numerous steppe nomadic faiths (mostly variations of tengriism that came in via all the central asians in pre-islamic india, except the hepthalites). It has assimilated Buddhism and effectively, Jainism as well. Sure, you can say that no, these religions still exist in india separate from hinduism, but reality is, hinduism has absorbed the bulk populace of ALL these religions in its core lands. 
This is also why hinduism was able to bloodlessly expand so well throughout SE Asia - it co-ops and assimilates. 

And that is all the hindu theology, hindu debate techniques, etc. are geared for - hear the other side out, find common ground, focus on common ground assimilate. 

Then came Islam and abrahamics. To put it simply, Hinduism is like the T-cell of your body, who protects the body by eating any foreign body it finds. Well, it fails when the 'foreign body' is an iron nail. Hinduism is in the same scenario with Islam and christianity - these are nazi fascist religions, so they cannot be assimilated, the same way nazis cannot be assimilated : how do you assimilate ' we are the most correctest/best/only correct' people ? 
You cannot. 
Hinduvta is the evolutionary response of Hinduism for it and its less than a century old, so it needs time to find its footing to combat the desert cults.

 

[coffee_rules]

16 hours ago, RizBarKhan said:

I mean it would somewhat stay alive due to Hindutva but then I started thinking about if even Hindutva will survive and I think it will eventually collapse.

Hindutva will collapse under the raging army of ghazis from UzbekAfghanistan - as said by a Laltopi mullah geo-political expert from  Pakistan 

[zen]

23 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Folded hands is praying now, says a hindu. 

Also no citation. These are just religious nonsense claims from people who are not scientists. 

What i said on the other hand - that bonobo and dolphin social skills are markedly different when raised in captivity vs wild, shows that they are LEARNED responses, can be easily cited. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

people get religion, but people dont get bullshit personal opinions that are false being peddled in name of religion. Which religious people do all the time especially of the fanatical kind, given that they are liars to rest of the world when they say they know god/gods exist. 

 

What a great use of the ability to read b/w the lines, showcase a studious research oriented mindset, good logical deduction, … (I am at a loss of words)
 

Hail the alumni of the Bonobo University  

[Muloghonto]

15 minutes ago, zen said:

 

What a great use of the ability to read b/w the lines, showcase a studious research oriented mindset, good logical deduction, … (I am at a loss of words)
 

Hail the alumni of the Bonobo University  

Hail to the actual bonobo monkey in this thread, who can't cite anything and has the temerity to call himself a guru. Ego ka bhandaar. Gyan ka khandaar. 

 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Hail to the actual bonobo monkey in this thread, who can't cite anything and has the temerity to call himself a guru. Ego ka bhandaar. Gyan ka khandaar. 

 

Good to see the Bonobo University’s education demonstrated here. 
 

Thank you for being such a great brand ambassador for the Bonobos 

 

[coffee_rules]

Every thread is the same tu tu main main

 

 

Edited September 10, 2024 by coffee_rules