Tirupathi laddoo contaminated

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

Prabhupada himself was good is what I heard. He was very old when he established ISKON. But once he handed over reins to others. They were bad.

 

Some say he was poisoned to death by some of his followers and he knew some of them as "envious rascals" as he likes to call them.

[Lord]

16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Temple needs 15000 kegs of ghee per day. The government appointed admin folks (possibly other religions) took bribes and negotiated price for an adulterated variety. These problems are because of government bureaucracy meddling with temple management. There is no government control of gurudwaras, churches or mosques 

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

[Real McCoy]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

 

Usually if its in charge of their own religious establishment, decent people are put into the trust board of directors that know what's right for their own relgious people. This is a situation where individual groups perform better over government

[zen]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

There is accountability towards devotees who visit the temple(s), those who have appointed them, and their peers, who would have some degree of reputation too. Most people consider being a trustee of a temple as a serious and prestigious matter. 

[Lord]

Just now, zen said:

There is accountability towards devotees who visit the temple(s), those who have appointed them, and their peers, who would have some degree of reputation too. Most people consider being a trustee of a temple as a serious and prestigious matter. 

 

There are bad apples everywhere. If such an incident happens, what's the solution in case there is no legal recourse

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

There are bad apples everywhere. If such an incident happens, what's the solution in case there is no legal recourse

In Gujarat, I haven’t seen anyone doing a questionable job at temples. Yes, some may lack common sense or maybe incompetent. In general, people are afraid of the God (a bad apple may be involved with relatively small stuff like pocketing some money placed in donation bins).
 

Usually, trustees are people of reputation or wide social connections or from families associated with respective temples. 

[zen]

When I was in college, I used to visit a temple in a village. It got a new priest who was not from Gujarat. He used to lie lazily in his quarter and not open the temple when you went to visit citing that he is sleeping.

 

I asked him to do his job properly and he started arguing. I locked him in his room and went away. When I visited the temple again, I was told that he ran away. He is probably a fake priest.

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

 

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

Either control all or control none. Usually the private bodies manage it better. There are many temples like ISKCon that manage its affairs well. 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

Never took the laddu there. Thankfully.

 

I avoid sweets from temples 

[mishra]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Wouldn't that lead to greater mismanagement as there is no accountability?

No, Government control is to take money off the religious institutions. 
 

A temple priest may not have management degree but he will ensure sourcing of raw material for Prasadam would be from Dharmic people and places only. He wouldn’t apply gvmnt logic of equal opportunity and fair bidding which is key principle by gvmnt control.

 

Simply, For priests, Dharma takes precedence in all his decision makings but for government ( forget corruption) there is nothing Dharmic but all legal and constitutional.

Edited September 20, 2024 by mishra

[mishra]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Either control all or control none. Usually the private bodies manage it better. There are many temples like ISKCon that manage its affairs well. 

No, a IIM graduate or person like me or you do not understand  fine prints of Hinduism like priests do. So how can  gvmnt  manage a temple if it is fundamentally, following non religious constitutional system. Constitutionally nothing wring in eating any thing but dharma asks gor vegetarian food to be served in temples.
 

So no, gvmnt can not manage religion unless gvmnt  is religious. 

 

Finally, accountability is towards Dharma, Management is towards Dharma, and not towards efficiency or finances.

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by mishra

[EnterTheVoid]

Completely unforgivable.

 

 

[MechEng]

India is a country that somehow has managed to keep functioning all these years.

 

I dont see how this country can become world class when you have people who do not respect the land and its customs.

[coffee_rules]

No outrage among Hindus , we are divided by caste and sampradayas. Shaivites of North India don’t feel connected to this issue.  Ram Mandir in Ayodhya united across castes in India. But Tirupathi is disconnected . The fact that this laddoo was offered to Ram during inauguration concerns them, but there is no blowback or outrage. If the same happened to another community, heads would have rolled by now (STSJ) literally. Not wanting similar reaction, but there is no deterrent action taken legally also. This is not tolerance of Hindus, but indifference. This is why such things are done to Hindus as they know that it will not be a big deal. 
 

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by coffee_rules

[BacktoCricaddict]

17 hours ago, mishra said:

No, a IIM graduate or person like me or you do not understand  fine prints of Hinduism like priests do. So how can  gvmnt  manage a temple if it is fundamentally, following non religious constitutional system. Constitutionally nothing wring in eating any thing but dharma asks gor vegetarian food to be served in temples.
 

So no, gvmnt can not manage religion unless gvmnt  is religious. 

 

Finally, accountability is towards Dharma, Management is towards Dharma, and not towards efficiency or finances.

 

Not only that, religion is a private matter, not a state matter. Temples, Masjids, Churches, Gurdwaras etc. should be run as private, non-profit NGOs and no government official should be allowed anywhere near their administration.

 

Pipedream, I know ...

[Lord]

18 hours ago, mishra said:

No, Government control is to take money off the religious institutions. 
 

A temple priest may not have management degree but he will ensure sourcing of raw material for Prasadam would be from Dharmic people and places only. He wouldn’t apply gvmnt logic of equal opportunity and fair bidding which is key principle by gvmnt control.

 

Simply, For priests, Dharma takes precedence in all his decision makings but for government ( forget corruption) there is nothing Dharmic but all legal and constitutional.

 

That I get. But still there should be some legally enforceable obligation for priests etc to follow such things.In the end you can not predict actions of small number of individuals. Everybody can be corruptible.

 

Here govt. can atleast be tried in the court of law and gives them bad rep.

[gattaca]

54 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Not only that, religion is a private matter, not a state matter. Temples, Masjids, Churches, Gurdwaras etc. should be run as private, non-profit NGOs and no government official should be allowed anywhere near their administration.

 

Pipedream, I know ...

Pipe dream for temples only. Unfortunately secularism in India means trample rights of Hindus.

[coffee_rules]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

That I get. But still there should be some legally enforceable obligation for priests etc to follow such things.In the end you can not predict actions of small number of individuals. Everybody can be corruptible.

 

Here govt. can atleast be tried in the court of law and gives them bad rep.

PILs will have to be raised for that. Forget our SCs to take suo moto cognizance on matters of the majority. 

[Gollum]

FSSAI is a joke. Root cause of problems like this. 

[mishra]

On 9/21/2024 at 4:54 PM, Lord said:

 

That I get. But still there should be some legally enforceable obligation for priests etc to follow such things.In the end you can not predict actions of small number of individuals. Everybody can be corruptible.

 

Here govt. can atleast be tried in the court of law and gives them bad rep.

There are some red lines. Priests know their red lines like vegetarianism.  Corruption doesn’t mean its at cost of Dharma. It can just mean nepotism or commission at best which is any way dependent upon individual.

 

If i apply ur logic to business and other areas. then why should there be pvt sector as gvmnt Babus can do better or u are inherently assuming temple priest are less reliable in case of Dharma compared to Gvmnt babus. If thats the case then screw Dharma, do what gvmnt says,
 

What is point jin trying once your dharma is gone. Compare this incident with distribution if Pork in some Eid celebrations in some central mosque of Iran. 

Edited September 22, 2024 by mishra