Ravindra Jadeja v MS Dhoni as test batsmen

[Lord]

18 hours ago, Majestic said:

There is too much hyperbole being made about Ashwin in that Border Gavaskar Trophy win 2020.

 

Let's take a look at the performances and who all contributed and how much.

 

Melbourne Test - Rahane captained and led admirably with a magnificent hundred when it mattered the most. He really set up the tone and was adjudged player of match. Bumrah and Ashwin were both excellent with ball. Jadeja was very good with ball and played a vital 57 supporting Rahane. Siraj was very good too.

 

The bowling attack performed as a group together and Rahane was the hero with bat with support from Jadeja.

 

Sydney Test - Australia were cruising in with 200-2 at one point with Ashwin struggling to do anything with bowl ( yes the man who is hyped as the guy who won India the series was struggling with bowl) and then it was Jadeja who came and run through Aus lineup, picking 4 wickets and a Blinder run out, keeping Australia in check. Pant came and threatened Australia of taking away the game in 4th inning while Pujara grinded out as if his life was on stake and battled for two sessions. Finally Ashwin and Vihari supported them and the match ended up in a draw. There were several heroes of the match which includes Jadeja, Pant, Pujara, Ashwin and Vihari.

 

In Gabba, he was injured and dropped. Sundar and shardul came and replaced him very well. By no means, Ashwin was standout performer in any of those two tests. He contributed well but over that series, the real game changer was Rishabh Pant and there were equally effective performances from Bumrah, Jadeja, Pujara, Rahane, Siraj, Sundar, Shardul and Gill.

 

Yes people remember only final day performances but everything contributes to a result.

[putrevus]

18 hours ago, Majestic said:

There is too much hyperbole being made about Ashwin in that Border Gavaskar Trophy win 2020.

 

Let's take a look at the performances and who all contributed and how much.

 

Melbourne Test - Rahane captained and led admirably with a magnificent hundred when it mattered the most. He really set up the tone and was adjudged player of match. Bumrah and Ashwin were both excellent with ball. Jadeja was very good with ball and played a vital 57 supporting Rahane. Siraj was very good too.

 

The bowling attack performed as a group together and Rahane was the hero with bat with support from Jadeja.

 

Sydney Test - Australia were cruising in with 200-2 at one point with Ashwin struggling to do anything with bowl ( yes the man who is hyped as the guy who won India the series was struggling with bowl) and then it was Jadeja who came and run through Aus lineup, picking 4 wickets and a Blinder run out, keeping Australia in check. Pant came and threatened Australia of taking away the game in 4th inning while Pujara grinded out as if his life was on stake and battled for two sessions. Finally Ashwin and Vihari supported them and the match ended up in a draw. There were several heroes of the match which includes Jadeja, Pant, Pujara, Ashwin and Vihari.

 

In Gabba, he was injured and dropped. Sundar and shardul came and replaced him very well. By no means, Ashwin was standout performer in any of those two tests. He contributed well but over that series, the real game changer was Rishabh Pant and there were equally effective performances from Bumrah, Jadeja, Pujara, Rahane, Siraj, Sundar, Shardul and Gill.

Try again.

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Yes people remember only final day performances but everything contributes to a result.

In close matches, maximum pressure on final day, final session or passage of play. That's when even greats choke. For others, there is SCG 2021 or Mirpur 2022. 

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Try again.

My Pook/troll detection skills are pretty good, failed here. Few days back this guy was arguing why Imran is the GOAT fast bowler and cricketer , how Pak didn't tamper or chuck more than other teams. Don't think he is a Pook but world class troll, sure. 

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In close matches, maximum pressure on final day, final session or passage of play. That's when even greats choke. For others, there is SCG 2021 or Mirpur 2022. 

 

Would you rate Vihari or Iyer high in Tests then?

[Gollum]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Would you rate Vihari or Iyer high in Tests then?

Overall Iyer because he did very well in last NZ home series as well.

 

But both will be remembered for their iconic knocks in SCG, Mirpur respectively. Even if they never have a career. 

 

Coming to those knocks, Vihari's was marginally better, because of his injury, lack of batsmen after him (Jaddu had fractured his thumb), stronger opponent etc. Iyer's was a great knock and saved us from our greatest ever humiliation (most non-Bengalis here have no idea about the nature of Bangladeshis and their hatred/vitriol and trolling nature....Pakistani fans are saints in comparison), but Ashwin took the initiative and did bulk of the scoring there. 

 

 

[Majestic]

13 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Would you rate Vihari or Iyer high in Tests then?

All hail Iyer! Baat toh sahi hai...

[vvvslaxman]

18 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Yes people remember only final day performances but everything contributes to a result.

 

Final moments are celebrated big time in history. Rajesh Chauhan hitting saqlain for six to register first ever India's win in Pakistan is still remembered. Same way Kanitkar's 4 against Saqlain in the last over to beat pakistan in India's first ever successful 300 plus chase made him famous. Similarly in Tests last day performance is well rememebered  as people choke. Do you know the highest 4th innings score by an Indian in a successful chase in SENA?  It is Shubman Gill 91. He set up the chase when Pujara was at 8 in 70 balls or something. Pujara was all going for draw. But Pant is the one who is admired the most because he was there till the end.   Ashwin and Vihari stayed there for 43 overs defying a world class bowling attack.  Some of the things cannot be understood years after the match. You have to experience during the match. Revisit to the match thread will explain how nervous Indian fans were for 43 overs. Even with 9 balls to go ICF was nervous. Imagine KL Rahul in place of Vihari.  We won't be talking about that series.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24 by vvvslaxman

[sensible-indian]

On 9/23/2024 at 6:35 PM, Majestic said:

Not good enough..try again.

Lol i used your own argument.

 

By your own admission, Ashwin was just as good as Bumrah, Siraj...but then he also saved a test with the bat.

 

Ab main karu toh karu kya

 

bolun to bolun tya

 

waah Modiji waah 

Edited September 24 by sensible-indian

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Lol i used your own argument.

 

By your own admission, Ashwin was just as good as Bumrah, Siraj...but then he also saved a test with the bat.

 

Ab main karu toh karu kya

 

bolun to bolun tya

 

waah Modiji waah 

Why don't you respond to my point first as to how even GOAT Tendulkar wish to have the knock which Ashwin played in Sydney?

 

And No, I said Siraj was the best bowler of the tournament and Pant was the best batter. Siraj won India the Gabba test in absence of Bumrah, Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja and picked a 5-fer when needed. Ashwin flopped badly with bowl in Sydney Test both innings and he had to make up with covering up for that by saving the test in the final session. That doesn't make him the best player by any means.

Edited September 24 by Majestic

[sensible-indian]

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Why don't you respond to my point first as to how even GOAT Tendulkar wish to have the knock which Ashwin played in Sydney?

 

And No, I said Siraj was the best bowler of the tournament and Pant was the best batter. Siraj won India the Gabba test in absence of Bumrah, Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja and picked a 5-fer when needed. Ashwin flopped badly with bowl in Sydney Test both innings and he had to make up with covering up for that by saving the test in the final session. That doesn't make him the best player by any means.

Kindergarden logic:

 

Performed in Adelaide (crucial for India to get the lead)

Performed in Melbourne (Crucial for India restricting Aus and winning the test)

Performed in Sydney (Saving the test)

 

If this doesn't convey the point, nothing will.

 

And yes, even Tendulkar would be proud of his knock in Sydney. Any batsman would.

 

 

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

Kindergarden logic:

 

Performed in Adelaide (crucial for India to get the lead)

Performed in Melbourne (Crucial for India restricting Aus and winning the test)

Performed in Sydney (Saving the test)

 

If this doesn't convey the point, nothing will.

 

And yes, even Tendulkar would be proud of his knock in Sydney. Any batsman would.

 

 

As usual you are just being an Ashwin fan girl and can hardly have a strong discussion beyond that. You can't look beyond Ashwin,and a small performance is enough for you to make absolutely ridiculous claims such as Ashwin won this test and that test.

 

1. Performance in Adelaide was good but in a match losing cause.

 

2. In Melbourne, the standout performers were Rahane, Jadeja and Bumrah. Siraj and Ashwin were good too but there is nothing to write about if this is the performance we are discussing for Ashwin as the best in SENA lol. 

 

3. In Sydney, he failed with bowl, Australia were on verge of taking a huge lead at 200-2 in first inning and then came Jadeja and ran through Aus lineup, bowled them under 350 and brought India back in game. With bat, his contribution was 4th best of that inning and yeah, this is Ashwin's best performance in SENA with bat where he is the 4th best batter in that inning.

 

4. In Gabba, oh wait, he was injured and didn't played. Good job because Sundar and Shardul contributed arguably more than what Ashwin was capable of and won us that series.

 

All in all, not 1 bowling performance was standout. His best came in Adelaide which is remembered for 36-9 humiliation. His best batting performance in SENA came when his contribution was 4th best with the bat in tha particular inning for the team.

[AuxiliA]

Dhoni is still a better batsman than both even in Tests. We NEVER had a wk-batter like Dhoni before. He was the Rishabh Pant of his time (had even greater aura back then). 

 

Most ICFers are old enough to realise that but somehow have memory loss now due to the hate-boner which post 2015 Dhoni gave them. 

 

Edited September 24 by AuxiliA

[sensible-indian]

7 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

Dhoni is still a better batsman than both even in Tests. We NEVER had a wk-batter like Dhoni before. He was the Rishabh Pant of his time (had even greater aura back then). 

 

Most ICFers are old enough to realise that but somehow have memory loss now due to the hate-boner which post 2015 Dhoni gave them. 

 

We never had a player like Jaddu too before.

 

With the bat...

 

Dhoni >>>> Jaddu 1.0

 

Jaddu 2.0 >>>> Dhoni

Edited September 24 by sensible-indian

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

Dhoni is still a better batsman than both even in Tests. We NEVER had a wk-batter like Dhoni before. He was the Rishabh Pant of his time (had even greater aura back then). 

 

Most ICFers are old enough to realise that but somehow have memory loss now due to the hate-boner which post 2015 Dhoni gave them. 

 

 

Pant has multiple tons and match winning knocks in SENA

[putrevus]

Dhoni was best WK keeper batsmen before Pant.It does not make him better than Pant.

 

But he was almost tailender in Australia, SA and was never a difference maker with bat away from home in any tests.Plus this genius quit on his team in the middle of the full fledged tour.

 

Pant on other hand is legitmate match winner in almost every country.

 

It is hilarious for people to even mention Dhoni in same sentence as Pant.

 

Pant already has done more in 33 tests than what Dhoni did in his 90 plus tests.

Edited September 24 by putrevus

[AuxiliA]

14 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

We never had a player like Jaddu too before.

 

With the bat...

 

Dhoni >>>> Jaddu 1.0

 

Jaddu 2.0 >>>> Dhoni

 

 

Yeah Jadeja is severely underrated as a Test all-rounder here at ICF. In white ball he might be mediocre(apart from his fielding) but he's an undisputed Legend in Test cricket. 

 

Also, Jadeja >> any Indian Test spinner not named Ashwin.

 

 

 

[AuxiliA]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Pant has multiple tons and match winning knocks in SENA

 

Yes and that doesn't tarnish Dhoni at all. 

 

Also Dhoni still > Pant in white ball. 

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Yes and that doesn't tarnish Dhoni at all. 

 

Also Dhoni still > Pant in white ball. 

 

 

This is only about Tests. Even Jadeja has done much better especially in bowler friendly conditions

[Stan AF]

21 hours ago, Gollum said:

Iyer's was a great knock and saved us from our greatest ever humiliation (most non-Bengalis here have no idea about the nature of Bangladeshis and their hatred/vitriol and trolling nature....Pakistani fans are saints in comparison), but Ashwin took the initiative and did bulk of the scoring there. 

 

 

Didn't know that they're worse than baakis