Ravindra Jadeja v MS Dhoni as test batsmen

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, The Hound said:

 

Simple answer, the most successful indian test batsman at a place where Anderson, Broad & Company use to swallow the entire top order with ease. The real man of crisis 

 

Not to discredit, but England in general is a place where lower middle order can create impact once ball loses shine and swing dies.

[vvvslaxman]

You have to split Jadeja's career into two halves. He dramatically improved his stat post 2019. 

 

Till 2018

 

AWAY - 12 tests 482 runs  26.77 avge  3 fifties. 

HOME - 28 tests 922 runs 34.14 avge 1 century 6 fifties

 

After 2019 

 

AWAY  - 16 tests 730 runs 36.50 avge 1 century 5 fifties

HOME - 18 tests 988 runs 49.40 avge 2 centuries 7 fifties

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Not to discredit, but England in general is a place where lower middle order can create impact once ball loses shine and swing dies.

This is also true. Mishra made 86 lol

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You have to split Jadeja's career into two halves. He dramatically improved his stat post 2019. 

 

Till 2018

 

AWAY - 12 tests 482 runs  26.77 avge  3 fifties. 

HOME - 28 tests 922 runs 34.14 avge 1 century 6 fifties

 

After 2019 

 

AWAY  - 16 tests 730 runs 36.50 avge 1 century 5 fifties

HOME - 18 tests 988 runs 49.40 avge 2 centuries 7 fifties

 

 

 

He started scoring from 2016 onwards.

 

Last 80 innings, 2627 runs, avg 43 and 24 fifties.

[R!TTER]

18 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Not to discredit, but England in general is a place where lower middle order can create impact once ball loses shine and swing dies.

Why not? That's basically how Curran won them the 2018 series! Same goes for the actual County games, where middle/lower middle order score massively these days.

[Trichromatic]

20 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Why not? That's basically how Curran won them the 2018 series! Same goes for the actual County games, where middle/lower middle order score massively these days.

 

I mean it requires both batsman skills and favorable conditions.

 

This is where I felt that we missed the trick in 2018 series where middle lower order did nothing especially with Pandya at 6(?).

[R!TTER]

No one did anyhting till 6-7 even Eng had real poor returns & that was with us dropping about half a dozen or so catches every match! This is why we debated how we cannot have 4 tailender pacers & why jadeja was preferred over Ashwin post 2018 Eng as well. You also might not remember how I said Pant(?) dropping Buttler in third test was a bad thing, we allowed him to score a hundred IIRC & he carried that form in the next 2 tests.

[vvvslaxman]

22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

I mean it requires both batsman skills and favorable conditions.

 

This is where I felt that we missed the trick in 2018 series where middle lower order did nothing especially with Pandya at 6(?).

If am right Bhuvi made 3 fifties in a row.

[Majestic]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

If am right Bhuvi made 3 fifties in a row.

 

18 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Not to discredit, but England in general is a place where lower middle order can create impact once ball loses shine and swing dies.

How many for Ashwin?

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, Majestic said:

 

How many for Ashwin?

He made a 40 and 46 when nobody else scored in that test.  Point is you shouldn't be using SENA filter just for the heck for a no.8 batsman. Some might score by fluke like Agarkar 106 at lords, Mishra 86.  Most consequential contributioncame at the SCG where a world class attack was one wicket away from clinching the series.

Edited September 28 by vvvslaxman

[Majestic]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

He made a 40 and 46 when nobody else scored in that test.  Point is you shouldn't be using SENA filter just for the heck for a no.8 batsman. Some might score by fluke like Agarkar 106 at lords, Mishra 86.  Most consequential contributioncame at the SCG where a world class attack was one wicket away from clinching the series.

Dhoni also had a contribution when his team was actually 9 down and saved a test which ultimately resulted in winning the test series. Everyone has few 40s just like they have 50s and 100s. It's down to personal preference, whose 40s you want to mention and whose you don't.

[vvvslaxman]

46 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Dhoni also had a contribution when his team was actually 9 down and saved a test which ultimately resulted in winning the test series. Everyone has few 40s just like they have 50s and 100s. It's down to personal preference, whose 40s you want to mention and whose you don't.

 

But Dhoni's ceiling was way higher. He was compared with Adam Gilchrist. 

[Majestic]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

But Dhoni's ceiling was way higher. He was compared with Adam Gilchrist. 

That's in ODIs. In Tests, no comparison.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

That's in ODIs. In Tests, no comparison.

In his very second series he made that 148  where he treated Akhtar with disdain after getting hit at the back of his head by a beamer i think.  He already set high expectations. 

[Gollum]

Rate Ashwin's best bowling in SENA as Edgbaston 2018, 1st test, on a greenish pitch and overcast conditions. Pity we flunked a modest chase after a good start by openers, pitch was easier to bat as well compared to 1st innings.

Edited September 29 by Gollum