Irani Trophy 2024-25

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Irrelevant tournament.  Should be scrapped. Treating players like mules. 

Irrelevant yes but any practice is decent practice for these guys preparing for massive test season.

 

Guys like Sarfraz Jurel Musheer Sudharsan need to play as much red ball cricket as possible 

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Irrelevant yes but any practice is decent practice for these guys preparing for massive test season.

 

Guys like Sarfraz Jurel Musheer Sudharsan need to play as much red ball cricket as possible 

There's hardly any recovery period between Duleep Trophy and Irani.  

 

That's not good enough for the fast bowlers. 

 

 

[Sooda]

3 hours ago, tweaker said:

The queue system,seniority is at work again.

Mukesh,Dalal,Prasidh  are ahead of him.

 

Look at Sarfaraz ,he is been made to sit out for Rahul inspite of making his test debut.

 

We have to accept this fact that the seniority culture is here to stay.Even Akashdeep may be dropped at any moment.

 

Yes not just Rana but Kamboj too 

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

If he doesn't get picked for the second Test...assume that he won't get selected for NZ series as well.

 

He hasn't been picked for the 2nd test.

 

 

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

That suddenly BCCI will start scratching their heads to find out bowlers for Aus tour.

 

True.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

He hasn't been picked for the 2nd test.

 

I had this doubt when Harshit wasn't played in the third game but Mukesh, Saini, Avesh did.

 

I was still giving myself solace that maybe he is asked to rest as he may feature in squad for second Test vs Ban and then the upcoming series. But that looks uncertain now.

[Hell Raiser]

Maybe Harshit Rana will get selected for T20's against Bangladesh.

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, Hell Raiser said:

Maybe Harshit Rana will get selected for T20's against Bangladesh.

 

This is probably the reason as Arshdeep is missing too.

[tapandrun]

Think its retention thing with Rana and Mayank now, if they get the Ind cap then the IPL teams would have to do new negotiations with star player if they KKR wants Rana and LSG wants Mayank. With Ind cap their base price will increase and then also there will be retention issue. And LSG and KKR have fair claims on these guys as their finds and support during non playing or injury days

[rollingstoned]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Think its retention thing with Rana and Mayank now, if they get the Ind cap then the IPL teams would have to do new negotiations with star player if they KKR wants Rana and LSG wants Mayank. With Ind cap their base price will increase and then also there will be retention issue. And LSG and KKR have fair claims on these guys as their finds and support during non playing or injury days

Is Gambhir still associated with KKR? 

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Is Gambhir still associated with KKR? 

No. Connecting their non-selection to retention is just a conspiracy theory. Nothing else. 

Edited September 26, 2024 by rkt.india

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Is Gambhir still associated with KKR? 

not currently 

[tapandrun]

12 hours ago, rkt.india said:

No. Connecting their non-selection to retention is just a conspiracy theory. Nothing else. 

hopefully that is the case

[Lone Wolf]

Musheer out of Irani trophy 

 

[prudent_kreeda]

Need to look at broader perspective re: these selections . there are 3 formats  and the best fit for each format needs be selected . Hence some one who has been identified as T20 player will miss out in other formats and vice versa .

Look at Irany T. - Sudarshan, Dayal ,Ruturaj  could be more useful in ODI & may be Tests than T20. 

Guys like - Arshdeep, Abhishek, Ravi bishnoi , Rinku, Mayank yadav may be more suitable  in T20 as of now. esp. Mayank - better to test him in short format and then look further based on his fitness.

earlier Selection committee made the mistake of  trying the same guy who shines in 1 format in other formats .

As we observe since GG taking over there is visual improvement in team selection as per formats and they seem to have a better identification of players per format. 

Just going on whining whatever the selectors do is not good. 

If a counter question is thrown to whiners to select best 11 players for each of format , most of whiners will fail to select a decent team .  

[gakgupta]

4 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Need to look at broader perspective re: these selections . there are 3 formats  and the best fit for each format needs be selected . Hence some one who has been identified as T20 player will miss out in other formats and vice versa .

Look at Irany T. - Sudarshan, Dayal ,Ruturaj  could be more useful in ODI & may be Tests than T20. 

Guys like - Arshdeep, Abhishek, Ravi bishnoi , Rinku, Mayank yadav may be more suitable  in T20 as of now. esp. Mayank - better to test him in short format and then look further based on his fitness.

earlier Selection committee made the mistake of  trying the same guy who shines in 1 format in other formats .

As we observe since GG taking over there is visual improvement in team selection as per formats and they seem to have a better identification of players per format. 

Just going on whining whatever the selectors do is not good. 

If a counter question is thrown to whiners to select best 11 players for each of format , most of whiners will fail to select a decent team .  

 

Gaekwad for test cricket --- are you kidding??

 

He is the worst batsmen technically -- even in subcontinent conditions he will struggle 

 

He can be a best bet for T20's (not even one dayers)

[prudent_kreeda]

5 hours ago, gakgupta said:

 

Gaekwad for test cricket --- are you kidding??

 

He is the worst batsmen technically -- even in subcontinent conditions he will struggle 

 

He can be a best bet for T20's (not even one dayers)

 

First of all its a gut feeling and he is also not the front runner . My best bet is Sudarshan..

RG is not good against movement and very high pace. But that does not mean that he is crap .  He has other things in his batting which are good. He has to have patience and technique not go for moving balls every time . 

All depends what he does in One dayers and that can pave the way for may be for a look in in tests some time down the line as a MO bat if he does really good in ODI.

One thing is sure neither selectors will dump him so quickly nor Gaikwad will avoid hard work to come good and i am sure he can do well in one dayers . No doubt about it. Need to give him a longer duration without break. Whatever chances he was given he has delivered. A WIP  bat. Selectors will invest on him.

 

If you go by that yardstock who are good against movement - Gill, Rohit almost 12-13 years struggled big time against movement ,Kishan, Sarfraz, Abhishek even Jaiswal not tested in moving conditions much(SA was bad, but he will come good as time passes by ) . Its just that you find a way to survive with a tighter technique as you grow as batsman and survive such periods and then cash in. All above youngsters will have to do that to come good and not just Gaikwad . At least he is better than some of the the tukkebazs for slightly longer version of the game like ODI.

Anyway perception may differ  . That is OK.

Are you saying he will not succeed in ODI ? Any reason ?

 

 

[singhvivek141]

17 hours ago, gakgupta said:

 

Gaekwad for test cricket --- are you kidding??

 

He is the worst batsmen technically -- even in subcontinent conditions he will struggle 

 

He can be a best bet for T20's (not even one dayers)

He will score 50(40) balls and then will start hitting.

No different than the approach which KL or Gill take in T20s.

 

Tests are his best bet, can take his time and play second fiddle to Jaiswal as an opener.

 

[express bowling]

International prospects ....

 

Jurel .. 3 formats 

Sudarshan .. ODIs

Kishan .. T20Is, ODIs

Suthar .. Tests

Kotian .. Mumbai .. Tests

 

Weak International prospects ....

 

Padikkal .. Tests

Khaleel .. ODIs

Prasidh .. Tests, ODIs

Dayal if he becomes a bit quicker .. Tests

 

The rest are just making up the numbers.

Edited September 30, 2024 by express bowling

[Old guy]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

International prospects ....

 

Jurel .. 3 formats 

Sudarshan .. ODIs

Kishan .. T20Is, ODIs

Suthar .. Tests

Kotian .. Mumbai .. Tests

 

Weak International prospects ....

 

Padikkal .. Tests

Khaleel .. ODIs

Prasidh .. Tests, ODIs

Dayal if he becomes a bit quicker .. Tests

 

The rest are just making up the numbers.

Prasidh ? Are you kidding me 

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, Old guy said:

Prasidh ? Are you kidding me 

 

Because of one bad series ? That too debut test series !

 

But the above happening is why I have him as a Weak International prospect. 

Edited September 30, 2024 by express bowling