England tour of Pakistan 2024 | Belt and Road Initiative series Part 2 |3 Tests | Oct 7 - Oct 28 | 10:30 AM IST | Discussion

[Gollum]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

 

Prime SRT also played hardly 68 tests in 1990s. Missed biggest scoring opportunitiy in tests due to scheduling.

 

Kiwis play more tests.

Yes, BCCI had clown scheduling in 90s. Too many meaningless ODIs especially in Asia, where Sachin scored heavily. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Prime Sachin played a 5 test series in WI in 2002, scored 330 runs (Laxman, Dravid, Ganguly did much better) while Hooper, Chanderpaul scored 550+. WI bowling attack was Dillon, Cuffy, Pedro Collins types, weaker than present WI attack. We had Zaheer, Srinath, Nehra, Kumble, Bhajji.

 

India lost the series after taking the lead, that team was so overrated, especially the batsmen who couldn't get the job done in WI, Zim. 

Sachin was steady eddy nothing more in all formats. Some people want to turn him into some mythical batsman who dominated great bowlers.Which is far from the truth.

 

He rarely faced any great bowling attack .

 

Fab 4 are the most overrated batsmen in history of cricket.

[putrevus]

Just now, Gollum said:

Yes, BCCI had clown scheduling in 90s. Too many meaningless ODIs especially in Asia, where Sachin scored heavily. 

No team was willing to play the team which became lambs once they left their shores.

 

  

[Tillu]

 

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Prime SRT also played hardly 68 tests in 1990s. Missed biggest scoring opportunitiy in tests due to scheduling.

 

Kiwis play more tests.

What was he doing in 2000s, he played till 2013.

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Sachin was steady eddy nothing more in all formats. Some people want to turn him into some mythical batsman who dominated great bowlers.Which is far from the truth.

 

He rarely faced any great bowling attack .

 

Fab 4 are the most overrated batsmen in history of cricket.

I think Sachin was great, genuine  top tier ATG. But not the bhagwan many Indian fans think he is. Nostalgia and him being a force in dark 90s era makes people more senti.

 

Fab 4 indeed overrated, I put Aus and RSA as better batting lineups in the late 90s and 2000s. 

 

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Clarke, Waugh bros, Martyn, Hussey, Gilly

 

Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Amla, Kallis, ABDV, Cullinan

Edited October 8, 2024 by Gollum

[Old guy]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Sachin was steady eddy nothing more in all formats. Some people want to turn him into some mythical batsman who dominated great bowlers.Which is far from the truth.

 

He rarely faced any great bowling attack .

 

Fab 4 are the most overrated batsmen in history of cricket.

thank god i am old guy otherwise you would have misinformed me so much lmao

 

there was middle period where he was exactly what you called him but before and after that he was most talented batsman i have seen from india.

2010 south africa series for instance was against great attack and he was simply on other planet compared to rest of batsmen.

 

its just sad our players chase records so much and hurt legacy by playing for 2-3 more years for no reason.

[Old guy]

Just now, Gollum said:

I think Sachin was great, genuine  top tier ATG. But not the bhagwan many Indian fans think he is. Nostalgia and him being a force in dark 90s era makes people more senti.

 

Fab 4 indeed overrated, I put Aus and RSA as better batting lineups in the 2000s. 

 

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Clarke, Waugh bros, Martyn, Hussey, Gilly

 

Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Amla, Kallis, ABDV, Cullinan

this south africa line up consists of 2 generations 

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I think Sachin was great, genuine  top tier ATG. But not the bhagwan many Indian fans think he is. Nostalgia and him being a force in dark 90s era makes people more senti.

 

Fab 4 indeed overrated, I put Aus and RSA as better batting lineups in the 2000s. 

 

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Clarke, Waugh bros, Martyn, Hussey, Gilly

 

Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Amla, Kallis, ABDV, Cullinan

He is one of greatest batsman but he is not someone who was head and shoulders above his peers.

Edited October 8, 2024 by putrevus

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

I think Sachin was great, genuine  top tier ATG. But not the bhagwan many Indian fans think he is. Nostalgia and him being a force in dark 90s era makes people more senti.

 

Fab 4 indeed overrated, I put Aus and RSA as better batting lineups in the 2000s. 

 

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Clarke, Waugh bros, Martyn, Hussey, Gilly

 

Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Amla, Kallis, ABDV, Cullinan

 

Fab 4 coincided their career with flattest tracks in history of game and easier bowling attacks.

[mishra]

Hope England add 500 more runs tomorrow

[Old guy]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Fab 4 coincided their career with flattest tracks in history of game and easier bowling attacks.

but some of them genuinely were good (dont include ganguly ) 

sachin pre tennis elbow and dravid in england. 

[deathmonger]

26 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Naseem Shah has become too slow to be effective.His lack of height was always going to hurt him.

Both Shaheen and Naseem have become slow.

 

The wait for a 200 wicket pacer continues.

[Gollum]

Predict EOD score tomorrow.

 

I'll go 

 

Eng 535/6

 

Crawley 143

Root 215

 

Can push for victory after that. 

 

Edited October 8, 2024 by Gollum

[Old guy]

since we on this topic

 

what has kohli done since 2014 in australia ? in england we all know his struggles other than one series.

[putrevus]

12 minutes ago, Old guy said:

thank god i am old guy otherwise you would have misinformed me so much lmao

 

there was middle period where he was exactly what you called him but before and after that he was most talented batsman i have seen from india.

2010 south africa series for instance was against great attack and he was simply on other planet compared to rest of batsmen.

 

its just sad our players chase records so much and hurt legacy by playing for 2-3 more years for no reason.

Most talented batsman from India does not make him best batsman in world .

 

first how was 2010 SA  attack a great one.Other than Steyn they had no great bowlers and they did not have any spinners.

 

Let us go thru that series shall we.

 

2010 series where he scored his 50th test ton symbolic of Sachin's test career.

 

First test Centurion our genius gets out cheaply and India fold like cheap tents, Dhoni looking an idiot who had no idea how to get SA out in absence of Zaheer Khan.They score 650 plus .Our genius prompty scored a 100 when match is done and dusted.

 

Second test it was bowlers and VVS who setup the win.Our geniuse did not do anything there.

 

Third test, our genius did score a hundred relatively decent batting pitch but was out classed by Mastero Kallis who on his bad back scored two 100s and prevented SA from losing the series.

 

Bhajji was turning a mile from the crack outside off stump which Kallis on bad back negated skillfully.

 

So how can you say he faced great bowling attack in that series.. 

Edited October 8, 2024 by putrevus

[R!TTER]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He rarely faced any great bowling attack .

What great bowling attack are you talking about? There's obviously only one - the best from WI, which had 4 near ATG bowlers although not all at their peak. Most others had at most 2 ATG & a few support cast, even then he faced W/W & Imran & Co in Pak albeit on flat surfaces. Find me an attack better than what Oz fielded in 2001 or 2004 against us! You're obviously making BS up to needlessly elevate you know who! His best series vs Eng, 2016 at home, had the flattest of roads on all 5 tests & 2 part time spinners leading the attack 

 

His best in Eng, although good, was on the back of about half a dozen drops by Eng * when it came to chasing even smallish totals he failed every *ing time! Even SS best series in Eng had Anderson missing, you keep talking BS about great series & what not but you need to have flat pitches/poor opposition for that! There isn't one series you can find where one batter scored 500+ plus & the rest of the chumps did not go above 200, from either side  

 

Cricket Records in West Indies in Sri Lanka Test Series, 2001/02

Most runs

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BC Lara (WI)	2001-2001	3	6	-	688	221	114.66	1226	56.11	3	1	-	70	5
HP Tillakaratne (SL)	2001-2001	3	4	3	403	204*	403.00	783	51.46	2	1	-	35	1
RR Sarwan (WI)	2001-2001	3	6	-	318	88	53.00	779	40.82	-	3	-	39	0
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2001-2001	3	4	-	255	140	63.75	574	44.42	1	1	-	26	0
DPMD Jayawardene (SL)	2001-2001	3	4	-	242	99	60.50	391	61.89	-	2	-	29	1

Edited October 8, 2024 by R!TTER

[deathmonger]

11 minutes ago, Old guy said:

since we on this topic

 

what has kohli done since 2014 in australia ? in england we all know his struggles other than one series.

2018 was good in mcg and got partnership with pujara.

 

perth great innings on a tough pitch.

 

2020 was also good in adelaide.

 

i don't think kohli has ever had a bad aus/sa tour.

 

srt is an atg, very consistent but never dominated a series. only batsman to average 40+ in/vs all countries.

 

kohli is a tier below but also still good, especially in aus and sa.

[Old guy]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Most talented batsman from India does not make him best batsman in world .

 

first how was 2010 SA  attack a great one.Other than Steyn they had no great bowlers and they did not have any spinners.

 

Let us go thru that series shall we.

 

2010 series where he scored his 50th test ton symbolic of Sachin's test career.

 

First test Centurion our genius gets out cheaply and India fold like cheap tents, Dhoni looking an idiot who had no idea how to get SA out in absence of Zaheer Khan.They score 650 plus .Our genius prompty scored a 100 when match is done and dusted.

 

Second test it was bowlers and VVS who setup the win.Our geniuse did not do anything there.

 

Third test, our genius did score a hundred relatively decent batting pitch but was out classed by Mastero Kallis who on his bad back scored two 100s and prevented SA from losing the series.

 

Bhajji was turning a mile from the crack outside off stump which Kallis on bad back negated skillfully.

 

So how can you say he faced great bowling attack in that series.. 

yes but that’s true even today 

best batsman from India is Kohli who averages 38 outside of 2016-2019. 
 

even his peak coincided with peak of Steve smith and I don’t need to look at stats to know who was better . 
 

I actually am in camp that we overrate our players but Sachin had 2 spells where was best imo . 
 

you can check my post history and you will know I am no fanboy but he was easily the best batsman India ever produced in tests.

[Old guy]

2 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

2018 was good in mcg and got partnership with pujara.

 

perth great innings on a tough pitch.

 

2020 was also good in adelaide.

 

i don't think kohli has ever had a bad aus/sa tour.

 

srt is an atg, very consistent but never dominated a series. only batsman to average 40+ in/vs all countries.

 

kohli is a tier below but also still good, especially in aus and sa.

His black mark is England with average of 33 and that includes one very good series lol