coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 1 minute ago, zen said: Rashtra = nation Sabhiata = culture Dharam = religion Many European countries share similar culture and religion. Therefore, having common culture and religion does not make those European countries a single nation. The region was never a one nation. Many times, there were empires that covered a large part of the region such as the Mughal Empire, the Maurya Empire, etc. One of the reasons the British could rule over the region is because it was made up of many small nations. I said Cultural Rashtra , read again. AND RELIGION is not DHARMA. You are grossly mistaken, Chaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I said Cultural Rashtra , read again. AND RELIGION is not DHARMA. You are grossly mistaken, There was nothing like a cultural rashtra. A rashtra has its own principles. Mughal had their culture. The Rajputs had their’s. Burma, a part of British India too, had its culture. A culture can have many elements including language. If someone asks me what my “dharam” is, I say I am a Hindu. If Dharam is not religion, what answer am I supposed to give to such a question? Edited October 7 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 1 minute ago, zen said: There is nothing like a cultural rashtra. A rashtra has its own principles. A culture can have many elements including language. If someone tells me what is my “dharam”, I say I am a Hindu. If Dharam a is not religion, what answer am I supposed to give to such a question? Stop being pedantic. In South India, going to Kashi was a sacred pilgrimage. We were never part of same kinggoms, but connected by a Hindu Rashtra feeling. That is what I am talking about. Dharma is more than mere religion. Dharma yudh in Mahabharat is not fight for religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: National pride is not wrong Agreed. But, I feel the main point of pride (not just for India but for any nation) should lie in contemporary achievements. For instance, India should be extremely proud of how far it has come developmentally after the British sucked the life out of the region. First gradually, then rapidly, all relevant indicators like buying power, progress in education, health, agricultural yield etc have improved tremendously. I am not claiming that this development is incompatible with pride in the past. But, to me, that pride in the past is secondary to what we do today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Stop being pedantic. In South India, going to Kashi was a sacred pilgrimage. We were never part of same kinggoms, but connected by a Hindu Rashtra feeling. That is what I am talking about. Dharma is more than mere religion. Dharma yudh in Mahabharat is not fight for religion. Pilgrims go all over. Many Hindu religious places are now in Nepal and China too. If I ask someone here what is Dharam is, he will specify his religion. This is basic conversation terminology (nothing to do with Mahabharata). It appears as if you are spitting out random stuff from your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Just now, zen said: Pilgrims go all over. Many Hindu religious places are now in Nepal and China too. If I ask someone here what is Dharam is, he will specify his religion. This is basic conversation terminology (nothing to do with Mahabharata). It appears as if you are spitting out random stuff from your mind. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 8 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: I feel the main point of pride (not just for India but for any nation) should lie in contemporary achievements. Not necessarily. Bhutan is a proud nation. It probably doesn’t even care about achievements of neighbouring China. Israel is proud of its cultural heritage and strives to protect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 On 10/6/2024 at 4:42 PM, coffee_rules said: I am looking beyond BJP for Hindutva. Inse nahi ho payega. There is a strong undercurrent that Hindutva will unite the country. Hopefully BJP breaks and a garam-dil faction takes over in 10-15 years. Start looking beyond caste to begin with. Only dictatorial type rule can work in India. Dehat culture will always be a major obstacle. There is no running from it. It's elimination will propel India to a path which China undertook in late 90's and economic boom thereafter. Cultural identity will take care of itself coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 For those uninitiated.. Dharma is not exactly religion. If someone asks you what religion you belong to - If is Hindu religion. You don’t say Sanatana Dharma. Late Shri Jay Lakhani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 37 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: For those uninitiated.. Dharma is not exactly religion. If someone asks you what religion you belong to - If is Hindu religion. You don’t say Sanatana Dharma. Late Shri Jay Lakhani Irrelevant. Colloquially, if anyone asks what your Dharam is, one mentions his/her religion (at least in my area). For e.g. I identify myself as a person of Hindu Dharam, so do Hindus in my area! This use of Dharam has nothing to do with the use of “dharma” in Gita for e.g! I am not concerned with what religion is called in South. I have to go by norms in my region. Edited October 7 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 2 minutes ago, zen said: Irrelevant. Colloquially, if anyone asks what your Dharam is, one mentions his/her religion. For e.g. I identify myself as a person of Hindu Dharam, so do people in my area! I don’t care what religion is called in South. Or what the guy in the video is saying. I can make my videos too!! You are a nobody. Just google him before you insult him. You ae most pedantic poster here. I don't care for your opinions about Dharma, I should have said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 27 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: You are a nobody. Just google him before you insult him. You ae most pedantic poster here. I don't care for your opinions about Dharma, I should have said that. You are bringing some X person in, not me. I hardly watch or post videos from anyone on religion (apart from quotes from books such as Gita, mantras, travelogue about holy places, etc.). You cannot ask people to look at random videos as if they adhere to your set of beliefs. I don’t even know who the person is (it is a good idea to introduce a person before posting his/her video). I rate myself as a guru or at least close to being one (I don’t need certificates). My Dharam comes from gurus that I trust! You can call me a nobody or whatever (Have I said I am this or that?), but it does not improve your own knowledge. Neither will it make you somebody (and that too by relying on someone else’s materials). Edited October 7 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 6 minutes ago, zen said: You are bringing some X person in, not me. I don’t care what he is saying! I hardly watch or post videos from anyone on religion (apart from books such as Gita). You cannot ask people to look at random videos as if they adhere to your set of beliefs. I rate myself as a guru or at least close to being one (I don’t need certificates). My Dharam comes from sources that I trust! You can call me a nobody or whatever (Have I said I am this or that?), but it does not improve your own knowledge. Neither will it make you somebody (and that too by relying on someone else’s materials). zen im here. Who is bonobo today zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: zen im here. Who is bonobo today You are right … at times, he does sound like a Bonobo Uni grad too Chaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, zen said: You are right … at times, he does sound like a Bonobo Uni grad too This is what you are reduced to. A low-IQ troll. Your guru-gyaan , keep it to yourself. You have no open-mind to accept different opinions. You have some weird-ss guru following and that think that rest of us have to abide by your gyaan. It is you that started responding to my posts. I will ignore a low-IQ "guru" that you are. Edited October 7 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 23 minutes ago, zen said: You are bringing some X person in, not me. I don’t care what he is saying! I hardly watch or post videos from anyone on religion (apart from quotes from books such as Gita, mantras, travelogue about holy places, etc.). You cannot ask people to look at random videos as if they adhere to your set of beliefs. I rate myself as a guru or at least close to being one (I don’t need certificates). My Dharam comes from sources (gurus) that I trust! You can call me a nobody or whatever (Have I said I am this or that?), but it does not improve your own knowledge. Neither will it make you somebody (and that too by relying on someone else’s materials). Don't care about my source of knowledge. At least, I know who I should not listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This is what you are reduced to. A low-IQ troll. Your guru-gyaan , keep it to yourself. You have no open-mind to accept different opinions. You have some weird-ss guru following and that think that rest of us have to abide by your gyaan. It is you that started responding to my posts. I will ignore a low-IQ "guru" that you are. entiraaa ne golaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Just now, coffee_rules said: This is what you are reduced to. A low-IQ troll. Your guru-gyaan , keep it to yourself. You have no open-mind to accept different opinions. You have some eird-ss guru following and thet think that rest of us have to abide by your gyaan. It is you that started responding to my posts. I will ignore a low-IQ "guru" that you are. I am not worried about my IQ. Low or high, it makes no difference to my life at the moment If you gain some knowledge from me, great. If not, no harm is done (unless it has subconsciously influenced you? And you feel conflicted with the knowledge given to you. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Only dictatorial type rule can work in India. Dehat culture will always be a major obstacle. There is no running from it. It's elimination will propel India to a path which China undertook in late 90's and economic boom thereafter. Cultural identity will take care of itself Probably Iif SCBose had survived WWII , we would have had our own Mao. He was also a communist and had left-leaning ideas besides being a staunch nationalist Edited October 7 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Don't care about my source of knowledge. At least, I know who I should not listen to. Gussa chodo … Anger is a big enemy (I am trying to get rid of it too). As the saying goes - “Zen master can tell no wrong” Chaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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