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16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

Amazing clarity of thought. I don't have his knowledge or clarity, but would like to try to argue with one point - that nation is present + future.

 

The problem with the past is that there are so many versions of it. And I am not talking just about India. Even in the US, some people remember the past as something glorious, while others remember it as a period of oppression. Even the recent past like the 1950s for some in the US was a grand decade. But for others was a civil rights nightmare.

 

But, the present is here. It is tangible. We see it. We see what is wrong with us and what is right with us. We are an administrative unit that will provide the best for the maximum number of people if we worked together in development.  There needs to be no other underlying reason for this unity.

 

If we left the past divides at the doorstep and simply approached things with "Here we are. An administrative unit with 140 crore humans.  How can we share our resources and strengths to make a great future of prosperity and liberty for all?" 

 

Yeah ... we are off for Fall break and I am procrastinating on grading exams by sitting in lala land.

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19 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Problem with Bose was he allied with Japs in WW2 so surely UK wouldn't have allowed him to enter India or who knows what stunt Jinnah might have pulled to snatch more land in Partition.  Who knows what would happen to JK?

 

He was a fine option no doubt but India needed not Mao but someone like Lee Kuan Yew type figure initially.

We never got that calibre of leader sadly.

 

Well if India was the size  of Delhi to have a Lee Kuan Yew type figure to work.

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Well if India was the size  of Delhi to have a Lee Kuan Yew type figure to work.


Ah ha, so one has to be a PM of a country of a size of India to be its PM (how Modi qualified by being just a CM) :woot: 

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Well if India was the size  of Delhi to have a Lee Kuan Yew type figure to work.

And thankfully, there was no Mao-type figure. The sacrifices that people were *forced* to make and losses of personal liberty in the name of nationalism were appalling.

 

From what I understand, what brought China out of its misery was economic growth stemming from liberalization, not the cultural "revolution." 

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14 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Amazing clarity of thought. I don't have his knowledge or clarity, but would like to try to argue with one point - that nation is present + future.

 

The problem with the past is that there are so many versions of it. And I am not talking just about India. Even in the US, some people remember the past as something glorious, while others remember it as a period of oppression. Even the recent past like the 1950s for some in the US was a grand decade. But for others was a civil rights nightmare.

 

But, the present is here. It is tangible. We see it. We see what is wrong with us and what is right with us. We are an administrative unit that will provide the best for the maximum number of people if we worked together in development.  There needs to be no other underlying reason for this unity.

 

If we left the past divides at the doorstep and simply approached things with "Here we are. An administrative unit with 140 crore humans.  How can we share our resources and strengths to make a great future of prosperity and liberty for all?" 

 

Yeah ... we are off for Fall break and I am procrastinating on grading exams by sitting in lala land.

 

Well, he is paraphrasing Ambedkar. People will work for a common future if there is no excess baggage. After Apartheid was removed, Nelson Mandela insisted on a Truth and Reconciliation phase that corrects the recent past. After partition, Hindus felt cheated as secularists thought we should forget that 5+ million people died due to one religion wanted a "land-mass" for themselves and still the ruling dispensation continued the same appeasement, undermining of hisotry, culture that the Brits and Islamic rulers did. There was no reconcillation as the common truth was not agreed. With that broken trust, the society cannot look at the future. They were also not at the same education level as you are now, to forget the past and have the tunnel-vision of looking at only the future. We we don't realize the past mistakes throught history, the same mistakes happen in the futute - eg WB, Kerala, Kashmir etc.

In many ways, 2014 was the Hindu equivalent of reconcilation when they at least felt of mirage of power in their hands. Well, it was not meant to be. But, it is still he next best thing for us. That's why I feel that a strong willed mind with a commin view of the past , will take us ahead in the future.

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2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

And thankfully, there was no Mao-type figure. The sacrifices that people were *forced* to make and losses of personal liberty in the name of nationalism were appalling.

 

From what I understand, what brought China out of its misery was economic growth stemming from liberalization, not the cultural "revolution." 

 

Read about the Chinese version of exceptionalism that revived them in the 90s, where they got a majority of younger generation into their vision after 1989. It was not mere economic liberalization. Even now, there is no resistence to their treatment of Tibetians or Uyghurs because of the buy from their working youth. I didn't say we wantted a Mao, but a strong autocratic leader with a strongvision  about the past, not somebody who was in bed (literally)  with the Brits.

 

Old video

 

 

Although, this is about busting the Chinese exceptionalism myths, it shows the Chinese government policy about how theirs was a special civilization based on Confusicism.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/06/the-myth-of-chinese-exceptionalism/

 

It won’t surprise you to learn that China has its own brand. Most Chinese people — be they the common man or the political, economic, and academic elite — think of historical China as a shining civilization in the center of All-under-Heaven, radiating a splendid and peace-loving culture. Because Confucianism cherishes harmony and abhors war, this version portrays a China that has not behaved aggressively nor been an expansionist power throughout its 5,000 years of glorious history. Instead, a benevolent, humane Chinese world order is juxtaposed against the malevolent, ruthless power politics in the West.

The current government in Beijing has recruited Chinese exceptionalism into its notion of a "peaceful rise." One can find numerous examples of this line of thought in official white papers and statements by President Hu Jintao, Premier Wen Jiabao, and other officials. The message is clear: China’s unique history, peaceful culture, and defensive mindset ensure a power that will rise peacefully.
 

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6 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Seems like @Lannister is running away from all questions and arguments. Fragility of modern left. Used to be the right. 

I've already mentioned the specific characteristics of the far-right movement and you responded with irrelevant whataboutism. The BJP is a far-right political party, whether you choose to believe it or not.

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4 hours ago, Lannister said:

I've already mentioned the specific characteristics of the far-right movement and you responded with irrelevant whataboutism. The BJP is a far-right political party, whether you choose to believe it or not.

I wish this was true.
But in reality it's a center left political party, most of the leaders are left aligned. A few heavy weights are trying to pull it at the center though,

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14 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I wish this was true.
But in reality it's a center left political party, most of the leaders are left aligned. A few heavy weights are trying to pull it at the center though,

+1 .. BJP is center-left 

 

If at all , someone is far right, it has to be those banned muslim parties & church who aggressively want militarization of their youth and regressive stance on abortion, womens rights etc

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