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Gautam Gambhir will not stay Team India’s coach for a long time’: Ex-player predicts


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3 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

 

Every fan needs to realize this.

 

Its NOT the players who need to quit.

 

Its the selectors who need to drop them.

 

When selectors and coaches don't do the job, the only thing left is to ENJOY the team's misery and losses.

Which captain,selectors or coach had the balls to drop Dhoni when he was playing pathetic knock after knock before the 2019 World Cup?  Why would any selector or coach risk being blacklisted by the BCCI if they go after a top star backed by corporate houses and often by the BCCI themselves?   No coach or selectors - Indian or foreign will do that.  

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6 hours ago, Adamant said:

So Gambhir is basically not man enough for this job.

 

First of all didn’t he know before accepting the job that he couldn’t throw out the seniors? If Gambhir has bent his back infront of seniors then he is as much to be blamed as anyone else in BCCI.  Please don’t try to portray him as an innocent man.

 

Why would two senior players themselves quit, your Board should have the aukaad to do that, if they don’t then admit they are at fault insteas of asking seniors to quit.

 

You are portraying everyone else as innocent and only the two seniors as responsible for everything, makes for a good story in Icf but isn’t practical. 
 

The board threw Kohli of as captain three years back, there is no reason as to why they couldn’t throw him as a player.

 

The only reason for which BcCi couldn’t throw Kohli Rohit is because of the popularity and money, if BCCi is greedy and wants to milk both of them its actually completely BcCis fault, I would never blame the seniors for playing, they are cricketers they will keep on playing until you drop them, just like all of our past players including Dhoni, Sachin, Sehwag, Laxman , Ganguly, Kapil Dev.

 

This is Indian cricket we're talking about. Tough to kick someone out when the head of BCCI, and the defacto ruler of BCCI (nepo-baby Shah) has anointed Rohit as captain till eternity and has publicly backed Rohit & Kohli.

 

It's BCCI and selectors who have to kick them out, not the coach. Coach can provide feedback and has a say in selecting the playing XI but can't overrule the captain, selectors or BCCI. No coach in the world - Gambhir or anyone else - can do what you're asking to do.

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Which captain,selectors or coach had the balls to drop Dhoni when he was playing pathetic knock after knock before the 2019 World Cup?  Why would any selector or coach risk being blacklisted by the BCCI if they go after a top star backed by corporate houses and often by the BCCI themselves?   No coach or selectors - Indian or foreign will do that.  

 

It is the job of management to give selectors the power.

 

So we need to abuse BCCI honestly.

 

If we have to depend on players to retire themselves, good luck.


They won't.

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9 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is Indian cricket we're talking about. Tough to kick someone out when the head of BCCI, and the defacto ruler of BCCI (nepo-baby Shah) has anointed Rohit as captain till eternity and has publicly backed Rohit & Kohli.

 

It's BCCI and selectors who have to kick them out, not the coach. Coach can provide feedback and has a say in selecting the playing XI but can't overrule the captain, selectors or BCCI. No coach in the world - Gambhir or anyone else - can do what you're asking to do.

 

So Gambo knew this and chose this job.

 

So he shall receive the brickbats.

 

Not like Gambo needed the monay.

 

If I remember correctly, Shastri told BCCI he won't take the job unless Arun is accepted as the bowling coach.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is Indian cricket we're talking about. Tough to kick someone out when the head of BCCI, and the defacto ruler of BCCI (nepo-baby Shah) has anointed Rohit as captain till eternity and has publicly backed Rohit & Kohli.

 

It's BCCI and selectors who have to kick them out, not the coach. Coach can provide feedback and has a say in selecting the playing XI but can't overrule the captain, selectors or BCCI. No coach in the world - Gambhir or anyone else - can do what you're asking to do.

 

So what exactly is Gambhir, or any coach there for?

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1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

So what exactly is Gambhir, or any coach there for?

 

Not to select the team - that's selectors' job. Coach can influence selection and push for right players the way Eng & Aus do. But a coach can't do anything if BCCI & selectors don't support him.

 

The reason Gambhir is successful in IPL is that he gets to have his say. There's no Jay Shah hovering over his head and overruling him by appointing Rohit as captain or backing Kohli till end of time. There's a reason why India has under-achieved at intl level and it's all due to BCCI babus backing the seniority culture.

 

Aus had the balls to drop Steve Waugh for 2003 WC. The same Waugh who won them the 1999 WC. Selectors told him they're planning to go with Symonds as the all-round option. After getting the news Steve Waugh actually started bowling in their domestic ODI tourney to show that he's an all-rounder. But selectors still went with Symonds and dropped Waugh. That decision making is the reason Aussies have been such a ruthless champion team.

 

And here we've likes of Rohit and Kohli who have failed for more than a decade given a free reign. They don't play domestic matches, and Kohli simply drops by for matches from UK as if he's on a vacation. And yet selectors and BCCI haven't done anything. It's not Gambhir or any coach's role or job to make these decisions. It's BCCI just like how CA (formerly ACB) did.

 

People can call Aussies lucky or whatever but the main reason is the ruthlessness in their decision making and selections. They'll drop their stars as soon as they stop performing. There's no reason why we can't do so based on the talent pool and resources we have but it requires the same level of ruthlessness and foresightedness which Aussies have displayed. Unfortunately that'll never happen in our culture and we're forever destined to be a mediocre, under-achieving cricketing nation.

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17 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

 

So Gambo knew this and chose this job.

 

So he shall receive the brickbats.

 

Not like Gambo needed the monay.

 

If I remember correctly, Shastri told BCCI he won't take the job unless Arun is accepted as the bowling coach.

 

 

 

He'll eventually tire of this shyte. He'll get the brickbats but in this case BCCI is more to blame. No way he has the power to kick out Rohit and Kohli. They've to be kicked out and you can see the difference in our T20 team where Gambhir has a lot more say.

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8 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Not to select the team - that's selectors' job. Coach can influence selection and push for right players the way Eng & Aus do. But a coach can't do anything if BCCI & selectors don't support him.

 

 

 

So what it is? Whats the point of suggesting players if selectors take the call? A good coach will put his foot down and convince selectors anyhow. At this point it seems its just an honorary job whereas someone else takes all the decisions, whether its selector or captain.

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8 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

So what it is? Whats the point of suggesting players if selectors take the call? A good coach will put his foot down and convince selectors anyhow. At this point it seems its just an honorary job whereas someone else takes all the decisions, whether its selector or captain.

 

The way BCCI operates it's an honorary job - especially when you've stars like Rohit and Kohli wielding all the power. Look at T20 team as an example. There're no experienced stars there and Gambhir has more of a say. He was even able to ask Pandya to play in SL. Do you think he wouldn't want Kohli or Rohit to play in practice matches and simply show up from UK straight to play a Test? He can't do that as BCCI and nepo-baby Shah have enabled our so called seniors.

 

Give Gambhir the team just like our T20 team and you'll see the difference. You can make anyone a coach but with Rohit & Kohli, they won't have any say. Kohli was responsible for kicking out Kumble as the coach after 2017 CT when it should've been Kohli losing his captaincy job. And Rohit doesn't give a phuck and not listening to anyone. I'm sorry but kicking out these two parasites is BCCI's job, not Gambhir or coach's.

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We can vent as much as we like but we should have won despite Rohit and Kohli.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sarfraz, Gill, Washington .. most of the young crowd favourite batsmen  ( my choices too ) were there and still we could not win. 

 

Inability to play both spin as well as seam / swing is the main reason and most Indian batters, young or old, should be held accountable regarding this.

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47 minutes ago, express bowling said:

We can vent as much as we like but we should have won despite Rohit and Kohli.

Absolutely - First we beat up on Rahane/Pujara and then Thakur.

 

Last test we beat up on KL and Siraj.

 

This match there was no Rahane/Pujara/Thakur/KL/Siraj and we still lost comfortably inside 3 days.

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3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He'll eventually tire of this shyte. He'll get the brickbats but in this case BCCI is more to blame. No way he has the power to kick out Rohit and Kohli. They've to be kicked out and you can see the difference in our T20 team where Gambhir has a lot more say.

 

I agree with that.

 

But he has to have informed BCCI before taking on the role that seniors are not out of dangerzone if they don't perform.

 

I think he had a deal with BCCI that if India doesn't win 2025 CT, then seniors will have to retire...

 

But not sure if any such plan was discussed for the test team.

 

Plus its important to discuss what happens if our seniors performance falls off the cliff....

 

These things can be done before taking up the role...

 

Time will tell how it plays out

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

We can vent as much as we like but we should have won despite Rohit and Kohli.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sarfraz, Gill, Washington .. most of the young crowd favourite batsmen  ( my choices too ) were there and still we could not win. 

 

Inability to play both spin as well as seam / swing is the main reason and most Indian batters, young or old, should be held accountable regarding this.

True...

 

But the problem is Rohit and Kohli occupy critical spots in a young lineup.

 

If they were one amongst a settled lineup, it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

Look at the lineup apart from them:

 

Gill - This guy is super unreliable when it swings or spins.

Sarfraz - Newbie and unproven

Washington - Just came to the side

Pant - Solid bat - sadly threw away his wicket both innings - a habit for him at times

Jaiswal - Solid bat

 

So technically, Rohit and Kohli's lack of performance leaves us with only 2 reliable bats and one amongst them can throw his wicket away anytime.

 

With our lower order failing to do well...

 

No wonder clinical NZ breached the fortress.

 

 

 

 

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We missed gritty batsmen like

 

Pre 2015 Vijay

Pre-2019 Pujara

Saha (very under-rated player who performs when the chips are down)

2018-19 Mayank

2022 Iyer

2024 Jurel

 

Heck, even if Pant had stayed on for a bit in the first innings, the game would have swung wide open.

 

That's what grates me.

 

This was an easy win squandered.

 

First test was a fiasco after 46 all out tho. Even that could have been salvaged had we not been stupid in both innings but thats another story.

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Fans like to abuse players like Pujara but take him out and we would have lost so many series without him.

 

With bazball crashing and burnin..and Indian intent merchants flopping hard....I am hoping better sense prevails and we go back to classical test match batting.

 

Pant and Sehwag will be anomalies.

 

Overall, SRs will increase from previous era but smashing your way out of every situation is NEVER gonna work.

 

Even in 2016 NZ tour where we whitewashed them, we had tense moments in the first and second test.

 

But players weathered the storm and made merry.

 

This lineup can't do anything.

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5 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

 

I agree with that.

 

But he has to have informed BCCI before taking on the role that seniors are not out of dangerzone if they don't perform.

 

I think he had a deal with BCCI that if India doesn't win 2025 CT, then seniors will have to retire...

 

But not sure if any such plan was discussed for the test team.

 

Plus its important to discuss what happens if our seniors performance falls off the cliff....

 

These things can be done before taking up the role...

 

Time will tell how it plays out

 

Lot of unknowns but it's clear that Gambhir can't be responsible for kicking out deadweight seniors when the head of BCCI is backing them and selectors continue to select them.

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14 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is Indian cricket we're talking about. Tough to kick someone out when the head of BCCI, and the defacto ruler of BCCI (nepo-baby Shah) has anointed Rohit as captain till eternity and has publicly backed Rohit & Kohli.

 

It's BCCI and selectors who have to kick them out, not the coach. Coach can provide feedback and has a say in selecting the playing XI but can't overrule the captain, selectors or BCCI. No coach in the world - Gambhir or anyone else - can do what you're asking to do.

So then it is the fault of the president and the team Management, players are not going to back out of the team if they are not dropped, they have played cricket their whole life, why would they exit themselves from the team if they want to play more?

Yes BCCI and selectors need to kick them out, but we saw what Dhoni did, didn't he get Sehwag, Gambhir slowly removed from the team, the coach here definitely has enough power to do that and if he doesn't then there was no need for Gambhir to accept this position. 

Basically, its not the responsibility of players to quit here, they won't and there's nothing wrong in that, BCCI needs to show some power here instead of milking the two superstars.

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11 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

 

I agree with that.

 

But he has to have informed BCCI before taking on the role that seniors are not out of dangerzone if they don't perform.

 

I think he had a deal with BCCI that if India doesn't win 2025 CT, then seniors will have to retire...

 

But not sure if any such plan was discussed for the test team.

 

Plus its important to discuss what happens if our seniors performance falls off the cliff....

 

These things can be done before taking up the role...

 

Time will tell how it plays out

Let's give him a year or two and then see what happens with the team in all formats. If we should somehow win the WTC and CT and these 2 retire then there is no hard decision to be made.

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