Virat Kohli - When will the torture end?

[Ultimate_Game]

15 hours ago, maniac said:

If we don’t qualify for WTC based on potential series loss to kiwis and the later drubbing in store in Australia, that will be it for him and Rohit.

 

What's the point of dropping them AFTER the Aus series? Isn't humiliation of losing at home to Kiwis enough for them to be dropped? Do we sacrifice another series for the "seniors" to showcase their "experience" of coming up short when lights shine the brightest?

[Chakdephatte]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

What's the point of dropping them AFTER the Aus series? Isn't humiliation of losing at home to Kiwis enough for them to be dropped? Do we sacrifice another series for the "seniors" to showcase their "experience" of coming up short when lights shine the brightest?

We will be worse off with new players in Australia. In fact, it will be even tough on in form players Jaiswal and Sarfaraz. 

 

Not that our chances are high, but they will be like 10% worse even we rebuild. 

[New guy]

3 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

We will be worse off with new players in Australia. In fact, it will be even tough on in form players Jaiswal and Sarfaraz. 

 

Not that our chances are high, but they will be like 10% worse even we rebuild. 

We won the last Aus away series, particularly the last match with a bowling attack of Natrajan, Siani, Thakur, Sundar and Siraj.

 

In batting it was Gill and Pant who shined

 

This fear mongering that young players wont succeed so we should carry has beens need to be stopped.

 

Hungry youngsters will do way better than pampered super stars

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

We will be worse off with new players in Australia. In fact, it will be even tough on in form players Jaiswal and Sarfaraz. 

 

Not that our chances are high, but they will be like 10% worse even we rebuild. 

 

Do you think a hungry youngster like Rinku would fare worse than Kohli? Or that any other opener than Rohit can score lower than 1 or 2? Didn't we learn anything from 2020-21 Aus series or the Eng series when youngsters were given a chance?

 

These oldies are done, and Kohli has been a dead-weight since the last 5 years. Knowing selfish asshats like Kohli, he would probably fly directly to UL after another hammering in Aus and fly in for the next series a couple of days before the series is about to begin. He has made the Indian team as his "baap ki jagir".

[Chakdephatte]

41 minutes ago, New guy said:

We won the last Aus away series, particularly the last match with a bowling attack of Natrajan, Siani, Thakur, Sundar and Siraj.

 

 

That same team win lose 8 out of 10 tests. It's just that they were supposed to win that day. You people really that seriously. 

 

The 'new guys' you were talking about were Gill, Siraj, and Thakur. They had been performing in domestic cricket back then. 

 

Saini and Natarajan did Zilch. 

 

These guys are no longer our bench strength. We have even limited number of people in domestic cricket to select from. Quality pace is so rare we are going with Harshit Rana with 9 fc matches over our domestic legends. 

 

Now if you think if you can pick a new opener and a middle order from domestic cricket and play him in Australia, and at the same time, expect Rana and Nitish to fire, you are being naive. 

 

If you want to try for the sake of trying, then okay. What's the harm. However, the TM cannot and shouldn't think like that. 

 

48 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Do you think a hungry youngster like Rinku would fare worse than Kohli? Or that any other opener than Rohit can score lower than 1 or 2? Didn't we learn anything from 2020-21 Aus series or the Eng series when youngsters were given a chance?

 

Rinku? Have we even tried him in tour games? 

 

If you are too keen on that Australia series then all of Siraj, Gill, Thakur were getting tested through A teams and practice matches before making debuts. Natarajan were Washi were last resorts and cannot be used as examples. 

 

Now tell me how you replace Kohli, Rohit, Siraj etc. will be replaced with someone from domestic cricket directly. 

 

We are not trying to build bench strength. That's a completely separate criticism and does not justify what you are trying to assert. 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Chakdephatte said:

That same team win lose 8 out of 10 tests. It's just that they were supposed to win that day. You people really that seriously. 

 

The 'new guys' you were talking about were Gill, Siraj, and Thakur. They had been performing in domestic cricket back then. 

 

Saini and Natarajan did Zilch. 

 

These guys are no longer our bench strength. We have even limited number of people in domestic cricket to select from. Quality pace is so rare we are going with Harshit Rana with 9 fc matches over our domestic legends. 

 

Now if you think if you can pick a new opener and a middle order from domestic cricket and play him in Australia, and at the same time, expect Rana and Nitish to fire, you are being naive. 

 

If you want to try for the sake of trying, then okay. What's the harm. However, the TM cannot and shouldn't think like that. 

 

Rinku? Have we even tried him in tour games? 

 

If you are too keen on that Australia series then all of Siraj, Gill, Thakur were getting tested through A teams and practice matches before making debuts. Natarajan were Washi were last resorts and cannot be used as examples. 

 

Now tell me how you replace Kohli, Rohit, Siraj etc. will be replaced with someone from domestic cricket directly. 

 

We are not trying to build bench strength. That's a completely separate criticism and does not justify what you are trying to assert. 

 

I would pick someone who has a good FC record like Rinku (averages 55 in FC), has shown the right attitude, and has the heart for a fight instead of carrying passengers in the name of "seniors" and "experience".

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would pick someone who has a good FC record like Rinku (averages 55 in FC), has shown the right attitude, and has the heart for a fight instead of carrying passengers in the name of "seniors" and "experience".

And if you were selector, you would have tried it ready him with A tours and practice matches or just directly thrown into the ground?? Obvious, no? 

[Ultimate_Game]

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

And if you were selector, you would have tried it ready him with A tours and practice matches or just directly thrown into the ground?? Obvious, no? 

 

I would've tried Harshit Rana as well by now before picking him for Aus series. But apparently the selectors did so with Harshit so may as well have done the same with Rinku.

[vvvslaxman]

11 hours ago, VT87 said:

I swear never seen someone so crippled against spin forget about international even u15 these type of jan@@ are not allowed to enter in ground 

Tendulkar is likely to play better even at this age than kohli. even msd.  THis is beyond hopeless. He has gotten out to spin wide variety of ways in the last few years. shakib, Taijul, Mehidy so many bowlers have owned him. Even wellelega in the Odis

[singhvivek141]

25 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

And if you were selector, you would have tried it ready him with A tours and practice matches or just directly thrown into the ground?? Obvious, no? 

Don't get me wrong, but did we tried Mukesh Kumar at A level before giving him debut in all 3 formats ? Was Vijay Kumar Vyshak tried in any A game before selecting him for SA T20 ? I don't recall Natarajan playing any A tour game before playing Gabba Test directly. 

 

I know it can be a poor example, but I am just using it to say that this excuse of "A tours" is only given when there is no desperation to onboard a new player. When there is a need, this process will be ditched. 

There are practice games in Australia.

[coffee_rules]

Hard luck!! But look at the passion man!! He should play on for 5 more years with that jazba and junoon. Long live the  King!!

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hard luck!! But look at the passion man!! He should play on for 5 more years with that jazba and junoon. Long live the  King!!

 

 

 

Now Kohli fanboys don't have anything to talk about on-field performances so they've started finding "passion" after getting bowled off a full toss as the reason to hail the "King". I'm sure @putrevus would be thrilled and finding ways how bowlers let Kohli and his "passion" down 

[Lone Wolf]

14 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Selectors & TM are busy exploring new ways of getting humiliated....all the way from Ind to Aus...Clown Chokli who gets cleaned up by fulltoss from a spinner & averages an embarassing 28 in his last 20 test innings gets the flight ticket to Aus much before departure.  No questions raised on his selection.  Same with his retirement partner Fatso Sharma (having similar average in last 30 innings) who gets cleaned up on Duck by ordinary straight delivery that didn't even swing at all.   

Our problem is similar to Pakistan prior to Bazball defeat...

Our spinners can't spin anymore and our batters can't play spin.

Can't give green tops to non Asian sides either.

 

Solution lies in kicking out the dead weight but BCCI and pans will sh**t in their pants at the prospect of throwing newbies in coming 10 tests away from home in Aus and England.

 

This is 2012 all over again loading 

[nevada]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

What's the point of dropping them AFTER the Aus series? Isn't humiliation of losing at home to Kiwis enough for them to be dropped? Do we sacrifice another series for the "seniors" to showcase their "experience" of coming up short when lights shine the brightest?

Exactly! Drop them now! Who knows, we might even win a game with a young team. 

[vvvslaxman]

from 

 

KOhli vs Sachin

it will soon become

 

Kohli vs Roston chase

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would've tried Harshit Rana as well by now before picking him for Aus series. But apparently the selectors did so with Harshit so may as well have done the same with Rinku.

When we had Shami, Ishant, and Bumrah at peak, we could have done it. Having everything settled gives you a cushion to do experiments. We might have tried some domestic bowlers here and there and given them 10 matches to check their progress. But we didn't. 

 

The last time we tried it with Prasidh Krishna who did not have very impressive first class career. But things were not going well with our bowling, so their patience ran out. 

 

Now when Shami and Siraj are virtually absent, there is a chance to try Harshit for a handful of matches. And we should go for it. 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Chakdephatte

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

When we had Shami, Ishant, and Bumrah at peak, we could have done it. Having everything settled gives you a cushion to do experiments. We might have tried some domestic bowlers here and there and given them 10 matches to check their progress. But we didn't. 

 

The last time we tried it with Prasidh Krishna who did not have very impressive first class career. But things were not going well with our bowling, so their patience ran out. 

 

Now when Shami and Siraj are virtually absent, there is a chance to try Harshit for a handful of matches. And we should go for it. 

Prasidh actually has FC bowling avg of 22, List A as 24.
I don't know from where this misconception has come up that Prasidh is a quota selection and has no performance in domestics ever.
People who regularly cry on ICF that selectors aren't giving chances to bowlers who have good numbers in FC, Prasidh actually has numbers backing him.

[Texan]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

from 

 

KOhli vs Sachin

it will soon become

 

Kohli vs Roston chase

Chase can bowl 

[RajBan]

When Ganguly called out his BS and clipped his wings , he was name called by Chokli's PR team, media managers and ex cricketers as well as most in this forum. I had high hopes from Gambhir as he was gutsy as well in his days but looks like he has given in to the mafia culture. Disappointing.

[Texan]

11 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Pakistan started winning because of spin from Sajid and Nauman. Also, both these guys are very decent lower order batters - in test matches, you want your tail enders to be handy with bat. 

 

In this Rawalpindi test alone - both the guys have contributed 90+ together. Otherwise, England would have gotten a handy lead. 

 

Similarly, while dropping a player - you need to look at perfornance of other players and substitues. For example, for all the sub par performances from Babar Azam - I would still take him over Shan Masood. 

 

 

It's not just about the batting of Babar or Kohli, it is also about the influence they have on the team. Despite not being captains, senior players who also have been former captains have an outsized influence on the team culture. Imagine a budding Indian cricket who grinds him way through domestic cricket and then watches a good-for-nothing and completely out of sorts Kohli just waltz into the team without any match practice. It can cast such a negative spell on others trying hard to get there and set such a wrong precedent.

 

I don't know about Babar, but Kohli has not played any kind of competitive domestic FC cricket in about a decade or more. He could have easily played at least one Duleep Trophy match and the Irani Trophy if he genuinely wanted to work on his form, but he either sees such matches as below his calibre or is afraid that his fraudulent form will get exposed when even domestic bowlers start spraying his stumps. It makes you think that he has no real motivation to represent India at this level and is just dragging his heels to make some more money before he retires.

 

We do this with every experienced cricketer in India. We allow them to play on and on and go on their own terms rather than drop them when they stop performing. In India, these players become bigger than the game. I admire Pak selectors for having the guts to throw out non-performing superstars.