Virat Kohli - When will the torture end?

[RajBan]

53 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Prasidh actually has FC bowling avg of 22, List A as 24.
I don't know from where this misconception has come up that Prasidh is a quota selection and has no performance in domestics ever.
People who regularly cry on ICF that selectors aren't giving chances to bowlers who have good numbers in FC, Prasidh actually has numbers backing him.

Prasidh is another KL. Can't handle pressure and will fail miserably when put in tough conditions even if there are occasional decent performances. 

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, RajBan said:

Prasidh is another KL. Can't handle pressure and will fail miserably when put in tough conditions even if there are occasional decent performances. 

Agree, thats a different thing.

My point was people are thinking that Prasidh got an opportunity to play without performing in FC, which he did.

 

There are many top class performers in FC, who failed miserably in Internationals. Vinay Kumar, Jaydev Unadkut, Sid Kaul are to name a few...FC can only tell you the half picture, other half will only come out when player will play at the bigger arena.

[Ultimate_Game]

12 minutes ago, Texan said:

It's not just about the batting of Babar or Kohli, it is also about the influence they have on the team. Despite not being captains, senior players who also have been former captains have an outsized influence on the team culture. Imagine a budding Indian cricket who grinds him way through domestic cricket and then watches a good-for-nothing and completely out of sorts Kohli just waltz into the team without any match practice. It can cast such a negative spell on others trying hard to get there and set such a wrong precedent.

 

I don't know about Babar, but Kohli has not played any kind of competitive domestic FC cricket in about a decade or more. He could have easily played at least one Duleep Trophy match and the Irani Trophy if he genuinely wanted to work on his form, but he either sees such matches as below his calibre or is afraid that his fraudulent form will get exposed when even domestic bowlers start spraying his stumps. It makes you think that he has no real motivation to represent India at this level and is just dragging his heels to make some more money before he retires.

 

We do this with every experienced cricketer in India. We allow them to play on and on and go on their own terms rather than drop them when they stop performing. In India, these players become bigger than the game. I admire Pak selectors for having the guts to throw out non-performing superstars.

 

 

Superb post! Very well put that the cost the team pays is not just one player's non-performance but undermining of the culture itself. How can you tell someone like Ishan to do the right thing and play domestic when likes of Kohli walk into the team straight from UK without iota of practice. Or tell guys like Rinku there's no spot for them in the team despite averaging 55 in FC coz "seniors" are still hanging around.

 

And we're already seeing it have an impact the way Ishan and Shaw have been disillusioned. And Iyer is going the same way. It looks like performance doesn't result in anything, it's all about knowing the right people and having the right backing.

[RajBan]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Agree, thats a different thing.

My point was people are thinking that Prasidh got an opportunity to play without performing in FC, which he did.

 

There are many top class performers in FC, who failed miserably in Internationals. Vinay Kumar, Jaydev Unadkut, Sid Kaul are to name a few...FC can only tell you the half picture, other half will only come out when player will play at the bigger arena.

Ofcourse. Some players are too good for Ramji but very ordinary for International stage. Does not make them a bad player but should not occupy international squad position for long or repeatedly. And there are some who defies logic as they have everything but still fail to make it in the national team mostly due to no luck.

[Number]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Hard luck!! But look at the passion man!! He should play on for 5 more years with that jazba and junoon. Long live the  King!!

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Now Kohli fanboys don't have anything to talk about on-field performances so they've started finding "passion" after getting bowled off a full toss as the reason to hail the "King". I'm sure @putrevus would be thrilled and finding ways how bowlers let Kohli and his "passion" down 

Pretty sure these twitter accounts with high number of followers do such subtle paid tweets. Kohli spends a fortune on his PR.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Number said:

 

Pretty sure these twitter accounts with high number of followers do such subtle paid tweets. Kohli spends a fortune on his PR.

 

Yup, there's a reason Kohli can slot into the team straight after flying in from UK without so much as a practice match. But the piece of shyte will show up for IPL and then take a break after that.

[maniac]

10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

What's the point of dropping them AFTER the Aus series?

Australia series team has already been announced. It’s pointless debating something that has a 1 in a million chance happening- BCCI changing its team and dropping Rohit and Kohli. 
 

I think Rohit is going to miss the 1st test, don’t see them lasting the entire series with fitness in Australia anyways. So that’s how it will end.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

Australia series team has already been announced. It’s pointless debating something that has a 1 in a million chance happening- BCCI changing its team and dropping Rohit and Kohli. 
 

I think Rohit is going to miss the 1st test, don’t see them lasting the entire series with fitness in Australia anyways. So that’s how it will end.

 

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[BCCISelector]

18 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

My point was people are thinking that Prasidh got an opportunity to play without performing in FC, which he did

 

Prasidh has played 19 FC matches in 9 years (most of which have come in the last 12 months). That's 2 FC matches per year.

 

He hardly threatens top-order batters even at the FC level, and often statpads with wickets of tailenders. He made his Test debut last year after he got a 5-fer against South Africa A team, but 4 of those 5 wickets were of tailenders.

 

He is constantly outbowled by his Karnataka teammates who have better numbers and red-ball abilities than him. He is simply not Test match quality. I sincerely hope he doesn't get picked in the playing XI in Australia.

[vvvslaxman]

23 minutes ago, BCCISelector said:

 

Prasidh has played 19 FC matches in 9 years (most of which have come in the last 12 months). That's 2 FC matches per year.

 

He hardly threatens top-order batters even at the FC level, and often statpads with wickets of tailenders. He made his Test debut last year after he got a 5-fer against South Africa A team, but 4 of those 5 wickets were of tailenders.

 

He is constantly outbowled by his Karnataka teammates who have better numbers and red-ball abilities than him. He is simply not Test match quality. I sincerely hope he doesn't get picked in the playing XI in Australia.

Kaverappa was more effective than him. Not that i am saying he should be picked. But Prasidh is a bad pick. That guy looks so fragile for a fast bowler. He cannot crank it up as and when needed

[Master_better]

On this day ,two years ago ,one of the most overrated moment of cricket happened ,18.5 and 18.6, let's expose these fluke two sixes .

The first six was very easy but loli made it look difficult,the ball was bowled at 130-35 kmph only as it was a slower ball . He had enough time to go on backfoot and generate power ,but instead of pulling it ,he chose to go down the ground. According to two of the journalists KrishnaTomar45fc and BilalBabarian56_4ever ,the wind was also blowing from batters end to bowler's end , meaning it wasn't timing of slowly but wind which helped it go through . If it was any other batsman,for example our hitman ,he would've nonchalantly pulled that for a 150 metre six instead of opting for a high risk showoff shot .

18.6 was a down the leg full paced ball by Rauf,even taileneder like Babar Azam would've easily hit that for boundary..So that shot is also useless and not difficult .

On the top of that ,the bowler he faced during this whole event was Haris Tepiya ,whom slowlysons troll everytime but they hype this shot of slowly vs this trash bowler ,so much d0glapan by d0glisons 
Imo Hitman's Sixes vs Starc and cummins in T20 WC should be declared as shot of Deca century instead of these fluke shots of slowly .

[Lord]

^ Its about situation. Rohit's shots came in almost a dead rubber game. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Master_better said:

On this day ,two years ago ,one of the most overrated moment of cricket happened ,18.5 and 18.6, let's expose these fluke two sixes .

The first six was very easy but loli made it look difficult,the ball was bowled at 130-35 kmph only as it was a slower ball . He had enough time to go on backfoot and generate power ,but instead of pulling it ,he chose to go down the ground. According to two of the journalists KrishnaTomar45fc and BilalBabarian56_4ever ,the wind was also blowing from batters end to bowler's end , meaning it wasn't timing of slowly but wind which helped it go through . If it was any other batsman,for example our hitman ,he would've nonchalantly pulled that for a 150 metre six instead of opting for a high risk showoff shot .

18.6 was a down the leg full paced ball by Rauf,even taileneder like Babar Azam would've easily hit that for boundary..So that shot is also useless and not difficult .

On the top of that ,the bowler he faced during this whole event was Haris Tepiya ,whom slowlysons troll everytime but they hype this shot of slowly vs this trash bowler ,so much d0glapan by d0glisons 
Imo Hitman's Sixes vs Starc and cummins in T20 WC should be declared as shot of Deca century instead of these fluke shots of slowly .

 

 

It was an amazing knock and they were great shots. But the problem is folks hyping up the knock which happened in a group stage and went missing for most of the tourney. In SF against Eng, it was back to the same old approach.

 

The biggest problem is that the game has moved on while Kohli's batting style, even when he was at his best, was about taking his time to get set and then score. His game was built to chase a middling total of around 160 or at max score 170 while batting first. Now the target total is 200 and Kohli never had the game for it. Kohli's best T20 knocks were 2016 WT20 knock against Aus where we were chasing 150 odd and the 2022 WT20 against Pak where we were once again chasing a similar total. His game used to work (when he could still bat) for those type of middling totals.

 

But when you get a flattish wkt or need to put on a bigger total, Kohli's knocks were a hindrance. This is what we saw in 2022 WT20 SF against Eng or even in 2024 WT20 final against SA. We lost the first one and nearly lost the final due to how slow Kohli played.

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, Master_better said:

On this day ,two years ago ,one of the most overrated moment of cricket happened ,18.5 and 18.6, let's expose these fluke two sixes .

The first six was very easy but loli made it look difficult,the ball was bowled at 130-35 kmph only as it was a slower ball . He had enough time to go on backfoot and generate power ,but instead of pulling it ,he chose to go down the ground. According to two of the journalists KrishnaTomar45fc and BilalBabarian56_4ever ,the wind was also blowing from batters end to bowler's end , meaning it wasn't timing of slowly but wind which helped it go through . If it was any other batsman,for example our hitman ,he would've nonchalantly pulled that for a 150 metre six instead of opting for a high risk showoff shot .

18.6 was a down the leg full paced ball by Rauf,even taileneder like Babar Azam would've easily hit that for boundary..So that shot is also useless and not difficult .

On the top of that ,the bowler he faced during this whole event was Haris Tepiya ,whom slowlysons troll everytime but they hype this shot of slowly vs this trash bowler ,so much d0glapan by d0glisons 
Imo Hitman's Sixes vs Starc and cummins in T20 WC should be declared as shot of Deca century instead of these fluke shots of slowly .

When I initially saw this pic, I started wondering which game was it when H Rauf had smashed his own face into Chokli's abdomen guard.  

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, BCCISelector said:

 

Prasidh has played 19 FC matches in 9 years (most of which have come in the last 12 months). That's 2 FC matches per year.

 

He hardly threatens top-order batters even at the FC level, and often statpads with wickets of tailenders. He made his Test debut last year after he got a 5-fer against South Africa A team, but 4 of those 5 wickets were of tailenders.

 

He is constantly outbowled by his Karnataka teammates who have better numbers and red-ball abilities than him. He is simply not Test match quality. I sincerely hope he doesn't get picked in the playing XI in Australia.

I agree with your points..what I am saying this is that when FC numbers are being thrown as a solitary measure of being selected for internationals...these incidents will happen. Selectors often use stats as a parameter, Prasidh's case was no different. 

Edited October 27, 2024 by singhvivek141

[cricspirit]

On 10/25/2024 at 10:26 PM, Trichromatic said:

Kohli averages 33 in 36 tests in last 5 years.

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2011-2024	117	198	12	9018	254*	48.48	16159	55.80	29	31	15	1009	28
filtered	2019-2024	36	60	2	1964	186	33.86	3920	50.10	3	9	6	224	6

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	2020-2023	6	10	0	438	186	43.80	880	49.77	1	1	0	46	0
v Bangladesh	2019-2024	6	10	2	280	136	35.00	440	63.63	1	0	1	31	1
v England	2021-2022	9	15	0	421	72	28.06	900	46.77	0	4	3	56	0
v New Zealand	2020-2024	6	11	0	202	70	18.36	464	43.53	0	1	2	16	2
v South Africa	2019-2024	5	9	0	345	79	38.33	708	48.72	0	2	0	51	3
v Sri Lanka	2022-2022	2	3	0	81	45	27.00	140	57.85	0	0	0	8	0
v West Indies	2023-2023	2	2	0	197	121	98.50	388	50.77	1	1	0	16	0
in Australia	2020-2020	1	2	0	78	74	39.00	188	41.48	0	1	0	9	0
in Bangladesh	2022-2022	2	4	1	45	24	15.00	129	34.88	0	0	0	3	0
in England	2021-2023	7	13	0	369	55	28.38	798	46.24	0	2	1	47	0
in India	2019-2024	18	27	1	904	186	34.76	1636	55.25	2	3	5	94	3
in New Zealand	2020-2020	2	4	0	38	19	9.50	95	40.00	0	0	0	6	0
in South Africa	2021-2024	4	8	0	333	79	41.62	686	48.54	0	2	0	49	3
in West Indies	2023-2023	2	2	0	197	121	98.50	388	50.77	1	1	0	16	0

 

If you see the match by match list, its worse. His Average this decade starting Jan 2020 is 32.73 with 2 hundreds and 9 fifties.  He has 13 single digit scores including 5 ducks. 36 innings out of 58 he is out below 30. 

 

Virat has only one Man of the Match performance this decade. 186 VS Australia, Ahmedabad. 

 

What is surprising is that KL Rahul has 2 Man of the match awards.. lol  KL Rahul also has 3 hundreds in half the matches while averaging the same. Imagine the bricks that he faces and what Kohli gets way with. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Frustrated]

King Chokli reaches new heights.  From a walking wicket to running wicket. 

[LordPrabhzy]

13 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

King Chokli reaches new heights.  From a walking wicket to running wicket. 

Add to that standing wicket

[Frustrated]

4 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Add to that standing wicket

Clown Chokli must be a relieved man right now.  Doesn't hv to worry about facing spinners tomorrow.   Anyway he looks like a joker who is on his last breathe while playing spin.  

[wanted_desi]

Haven't seen such shameless top tier batsman in India. If he has some shame left, he should retire after this match.