Need a new Umesh ,a new Shami

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

For Tests in India / Asia we need skiddy quick pacers who can reverse the ball at pace. This is what Umesh and Shami provided during the 2013 to 2019 period. 

 

Akashdeep is skiddy. But not bowling quickly after he had dengue. And his ability to reverse the ball was never that good. 

 

The other pacers we brought in after Umesh declined were neither quick nor great exponents of reverse swing.

 

If we wany to find the new Umesh or new Shami then we need to find new pacers who are ... 

 

a) skiddy.

b) quick in the air 

c)  good at reverse swing 

 

Umran Malik could be groomed for this role and taught reverse swing.

 

Need to look out for other skiidy quick pacers in the domestic circuit. 

 

Outside Asia we need bouncy quick pacers.  Harshit Rana, Mayank Yadav and Kuldeep Sen would be ideal.  Prasidh could have been if his attitude was right, but sadly it isn't.

 

So this base is decently covered for the time being. Need one more such pacer if Mayank remains injury prone. 

Most of the fast pacers which we are getting these days are bouncy
Harshit, Himanshu, Mayank, Simarjeet, Kuldeep Sen, Yudhvir, Gurnoor, Hangargekar, Bawa, Tyagi, Prithviraj all are bouncy and hit the deck. 

We aren't producing many skiddy pacers, all are trundlers. Mavi was skiddy but he has lost his pace permanently...Except Umran, I think only Purnank Tyagi is the only one left who is skiddy and has decentish pace (around 135-140 clicks).

[Bigg Brother]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

naya Kohli nahi chahiye?

Nah please . Not needed. Enough chokers already in team. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Most of the fast pacers which we are getting these days are bouncy
Harshit, Himanshu, Mayank, Simarjeet, Kuldeep Sen, Yudhvir, Gurnoor, Hangargekar, Bawa, Tyagi, Prithviraj all are bouncy and hit the deck. 

 

Tall, bouncy, hit the deck pacers who can bowl 140 k+, like Harshit, Mayank, Sen, Tyagi, Prasidh, Gurnoor, Yudhvir, Mohsin, Hangargekar etc. will hold us in good stead in tests outside Asia and ODIs everywhere. 

 

What is worrying is that not a single one of the above have become regulars yet. 

 

 

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

We aren't producing many skiddy pacers, all are trundlers. Mavi was skiddy but he has lost his pace permanently...Except Umran, I think only Purnank Tyagi is the only one left who is skiddy and has decentish pace (around 135-140 clicks).

 

We need to look for more skiddy quick pacers for tests in Asia. Apart from Umran, Nagarkoti comes to mind. Where is he ?

 

Raj Limbani may qualify too. 

 

Can Akashdeep up his pace and reverse the ball ?

Edited October 26, 2024 by express bowling

[AKane]

Look at this with Hangargekar - perpetually on the bench and not playing. How is this going to help him? As it is he is usually just a reserve in Chennai due to the Thala approved policies of required age.

 

https://daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay?newsID=1234154

 

 

He signed off by saying batter Rahul Tripathi is unavailable due to a lower back issue, while fast-bowling all-rounder Rajvardhan Hangargekar is still in the mix to play in the Ranji Trophy. "Rahul is struggling because he has a little bit of problem with his lower back and needs a break. It will take time for him to heal."

"On the other hand, we have kept Rajvardhan in a tentative role. He is a part of the team. But it depends on the situation. If he is playing in the eleven, then he will play for the senior team. If he is not playing, then it is better for him to play for the U23 team. But he’s still a part of the team. His form is still good, and will continue to benefit Maharashtra."

 

 

Tentative role?  Please......

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by AKane

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

We need to look for more skiddy quick pacers for tests in Asia. Apart from Umran, Nagarkoti comes to mind. Where is he ?

 

Raj Limbani may qualify too. 

 

Can Akashdeep up his pace and reverse the ball ?

 

Nagarkoti has gone AWOL. Last update on his insta is of 29th May where he uploaded a slow mo from some local nets. I don't think he is serious about cricket, those who are, they have switched states and are leaving no opportunity to play the game.

 

Let's see what Raj does. 

 

Akashdeep can up his pace to some extent, reverse has to be seen. He is primarly a new ball bowler and a steady operator with old ball. Though he is criminally underutilized by our kaptaan sahab.

[mani sha]

U are missing the point . 
 

no unesh , Shami will win u matches if u get 46 all out or get out to full toss like kohli . 
 

Our batting was the issue . 
 

kohli , rahul and even rohit are walking ducks.  Jadeja , ashwin and pant saved us defeats last 3 years coupled with Axar and jurel etc . 
 

The bowlers - new ones like harshit , akash , siraj etc are ok . Shami , Umesh , Ishant and bumrah was a once in a generation pace quartet . Hard to find Umesh and Shami tbh but it’s unclear why kohli and rahul are still selected for Australia . Anticipate loss in Australia and end of Rohit and kohli 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, mani sha said:

U are missing the point . 
 

no unesh , Shami will win u matches if u get 46 all out or get out to full toss like kohli . 
 

Our batting was the issue . 
 

kohli , rahul and even rohit are walking ducks.  Jadeja , ashwin and pant saved us defeats last 3 years coupled with Axar and jurel etc . 
 

The bowlers - new ones like harshit , akash , siraj etc are ok . Shami , Umesh , Ishant and bumrah was a once in a generation pace quartet . Hard to find Umesh and Shami tbh but it’s unclear why kohli and rahul are still selected for Australia . Anticipate loss in Australia and end of Rohit and kohli 

It's not an "either-or" situation.
We have weaknesses at both fronts, in batting as well as in bowling. 
Our bowling is paper thin, for the loss of 2 quicks (Umesh and Ishant) we have so far only got one pacer (Siraj).

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, mani sha said:

U are missing the point . 
 

no unesh , Shami will win u matches if u get 46 all out or get out to full toss like kohli . 
 

Our batting was the issue . 
 

kohli , rahul and even rohit are walking ducks.  Jadeja , ashwin and pant saved us defeats last 3 years coupled with Axar and jurel etc . 
 

The bowlers - new ones like harshit , akash , siraj etc are ok . Shami , Umesh , Ishant and bumrah was a once in a generation pace quartet . Hard to find Umesh and Shami tbh but it’s unclear why kohli and rahul are still selected for Australia . Anticipate loss in Australia and end of Rohit and kohli 

People still think we have a good bowling unit, absolutely not

Not for overseas, not even at home

Fast bowling has gone to new low

Ashwin Jadeja all have declined,so the home spin advantage has also declined where our spinners have been outbowled by opposition spinners

Coming back to fast bowling from a lucky phase where we saw the rise of Umesh,Ishant,Shami together to the replacements as sheep Prasidh,Mukesh,Avesh,Khaleel,there is clear massive drop in pace bowling quality

Siraj's form has made things worst

New pacers are dropping like flies with continuous injury concerns eg Mayank,Umran

Something is wrong with strength and conditioning people with BCCI,they need to pull their socks quickly or we will be back to pre 2010s/90s

[rkt.india]

Vasudev Bareth from Chhattisgarh can be next Umesh. Similar height and build. He is quick. 21 year old, has played 8 FC games with 26 wickets. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mani sha]

17 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

People still think we have a good bowling unit, absolutely not

Not for overseas, not even at home

Fast bowling has gone to new low

Ashwin Jadeja all have declined,so the home spin advantage has also declined where our spinners have been outbowled by opposition spinners

Coming back to fast bowling from a lucky phase where we saw the rise of Umesh,Ishant,Shami together to the replacements as sheep Prasidh,Mukesh,Avesh,Khaleel,there is clear massive drop in pace bowling quality

Siraj's form has made things worst

New pacers are dropping like flies with continuous injury concerns eg Mayank,Umran

Something is wrong with strength and conditioning people with BCCI,they need to pull their socks quickly or we will be back to pre 2010s/90s

Mayank , harshit , deep lots of new options . Have patience . 
 

 

They change bowlers faster than batters . It should be other way round . 
 

Our losses are mainly from lack of batting . None of our players batting pant and jaiswal are world top 10 imo. Persistence with kohli is 90 percent of the issue. 

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Mayank , harshit , deep lots of new options . Have patience . 
 

 

They change bowlers faster than batters . It should be other way round . 
 

Our losses are mainly from lack of batting . None of our players batting pant and jaiswal are world top 10 imo. Persistence with kohli is 90 percent of the issue. 

Noone is saying batsmen aren't responsible,that is a reason which is obvious and a given,but need to focus on declining fast bowling particularly as well not just limited to selections but their availability as well

Why are they getting injured so often?

Why is NCA failing?

Apart from just focusing on profits bcci needs to look at it

[Suhaan]

22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Vasudev Bareth from Chhattisgarh can be next Umesh. Similar height and build. He is quick. 21 year old, has played 8 FC games with 26 wickets. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick arm Steynisque action,little wiry from Umesh

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

12 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

Mukesh Kumar is extremely talented and he lost his pace a bit. I think he can fit in if he increases atleast 5 kmph.

Gutkesh just needs additional doses of Gutka to up his pace.

[mani sha]

On 10/26/2024 at 11:22 PM, Suhaan said:

Noone is saying batsmen aren't responsible,that is a reason which is obvious and a given,but need to focus on declining fast bowling particularly as well not just limited to selections but their availability as well

Why are they getting injured so often?

Why is NCA failing?

Apart from just focusing on profits bcci needs to look at it

I think that injuries part and parcel. Upto age 25 fast bowlers tend to get injured. Body matures and then u get the best out of them . 
 

Bcci has been rotating them ok . They lapsed in getting Mukesh etc in when they needed to groom faster guys . 

[singhvivek141]

On 10/27/2024 at 12:07 AM, Vicks57 said:

Only Akashdeep is promising.

 

Need to find 2 more bowlers.

 Mukesh Kumar is extremely talented and he lost his pace a bit. I think he can fit in if he increases atleast 5 kmph.

Mukesh didn't have pace ever to begin with, he is a 125-135 kph bowler since ages, can clock few 140+ deliveries with extra effort. But he can't sustain it and will end up injuring himself.
Not to mention he is 31 on paper, and may be 33-34 in reality (it's common in Bihar to fudge age by 2-3 years). One injury and he will go back to bowling 125kph. On top is an atrocious fielder and dud with bat.

Edited October 28, 2024 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

21 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Didn't know he probably fudged his age.

 

I seem to remember him being a consistent 138k guy in ranji before 4 years.

 

Now he is like 133k bowler.

Consistent 138k ? 
The 2022 Irani trophy which was telecasted is where I saw him for the first time, his quickest was around 136-137k, Sen's quickest was around 145 and Umran's quickest was 148-149k. Mukesh did well with new ball under cloudy conditions, but when the ball lost shine and sun was shining at it's peak, he was gun barrell straight at 125-130k, he was accurate though.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/irani-cup-2022-23-1332469/saurashtra-vs-rest-of-india-1332470/full-scorecard

Age fudging was very common in Bihar till 00's. People were used to fudge anywhere between 4 to 6 years in small towns and villages. Even now 1-2 years is common. 

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Consistent 138k ? 
The 2022 Irani trophy which was telecasted is where I saw him for the first time, his quickest was around 136-137k, Sen's quickest was around 145 and Umran's quickest was 148-149k. Mukesh did well with new ball under cloudy conditions, but when the ball lost shine and sun was shining at it's peak, he was gun barrell straight at 125-130k, he was accurate though.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/irani-cup-2022-23-1332469/saurashtra-vs-rest-of-india-1332470/full-scorecard

Age fudging was very common in Bihar till 00's. People were used to fudge anywhere between 4 to 6 years in small towns and villages. Even now 1-2 years is common. 

Age fudging is very common. Here in Uttarakhand most age group players have fake or forged documents to play in age group cricket.  

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Age fudging is very common. Here in Uttarakhand most age group players have fake or forged documents to play in age group cricket.  

And then we wonder what happened when they age overnight and turn into senior citizens.

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, Throwaib_Chuckter said:

And then we wonder what happened when they age overnight and turn into senior citizens.

18-19 year olds will give trials for u16 using fake documents. Only way to get them is through bone test which they do at the last stage of trial and even that is not 100% accurate. Actual u16 will be no match for 18-19 year olds. So most of them dont even reach at the stage of bone test.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Age fudging is very common. Here in Uttarakhand most age group players have fake or forged documents to play in age group cricket.  

Oh, wasn't aware if this is happening even now.

As more and more kids are being born at the hospitals, the birth registration is being done by the hospital on first day itself. So usually a birth certificate is given by municipal authority.

 

It's only in the villages now, where folks will give some money to the sarpanch and get a new certificate created.