Legacy of "King" Kohli and "Hitman" Rohit

[Frustrated]

The longer he stays in the team, Clown Chokli is likely to ensure the downfall of upcoming promising youngsters who are in the playing11.   

The way he ran out pant in 2nd test (2nd inning) is a testimony to that.  It was never a run there. Clown is short on confidence and it's forcing him to go for non-existent runs.  Next match he might run out Jaiswal.   

Edited October 29, 2024 by Frustrated

[Vickydev]

Kohli was unbelievably good and was part of key wins in 2011 and 2013 but now he is totally washed.

 

Sharma still has something to offer in LOIs I feel

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

Kohli was unbelievably good and was part of key wins in 2011 and 2013 but now he is totally washed.

 

Sharma still has something to offer in LOIs I feel

 

2013 was more than a decade ago. We're about to get into 2025. Even Rohit isn't a solution. His ODI innings these days are slogging in the PP and get quick 30s, 40s, and in some cases 50s. But the WC is 3 years away. He isn't going to last and we already have Jaiswal waiting in the wings.

 

Neither Rohit or Kohli deserves to keep Jaiswal out of playing XI. And we've a bunch of younger players like Parag, Rinku, Nitish, Sai Sudarshan on the sidelines for the ODI. Better to invest in them to build a team for 2027 WC rather than sacrifice another tourney thanks  to our seniors.

[LordPrabhzy]

The only legacy Kohli has is a brief revival in test cricket as captain and his good run between 2014-2019 with one Aus victory credited to him, India still hasnt won a series in Eng since 2007 and SA yet.

 

Rohits legacy is still his own personal record and one Wt20 win which was helped by Axar and Bumrah contributions as opposed to his own. He is an atrocious red ball captain.

 

No one has any legacy if im honest- results define legacy not personal records

[Ultimate_Game]

Their true legacy is "30 bad mins", "one bad session", "one poor match", "one off day" etc.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Most 100’s for India in Tests in wins:

 

Tendulkar 20/51 

Dravid 15/36

Kohli 13/29

Pujara 13/19

Rohit 12/12 

Rahane 9/12

Sehwag 8/23

VVS 7/17

Vijay 7/12

Gavaskar 6/34

 

Rohit impressive in terms of match winning ability all 100’s scored are in wins. Also only played 63 games. Massive six hitter.

 

[Muloghonto]

Time to drop Kohli. Man has to realize that his time is up and his flaw is no longer something he can cover in test cricket : Kohli is a rare top order batsman who does not cut the ball. he is an excellent cover driver and routinely gets out to balls he should cut, not drive, because man just cannot cut the ball. In his youth, his superior eye compensated for it and he got away with it, also, bowlers didnt figure out that the man wont cut, so rarely bowled 4th-6th stump line on the full, because those balls are ferociously cut by good cutters (typically top order batsmen are excellent cutters - like Viv, Greenidge,Tendy,Lara,Dravid,Punter,Kallis,etc but not Kohli- man cannot cut and rarely cuts the ball). 

By now, bowlers have figured it out - that if you bowl good length to kohli, he is screwed because he doesnt cut, so he wont exploit the width given to full balls, instead he will either block or drive and if he drives, eventually he will get out. This affects him even more against spinners than pacers because kohli is also not a very strong 'get out of his crease adn throw the spinner off his length' type batter, so he lets spinners settle at full length balls much easier.

 

[New guy]

27 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Most 100’s for India in Tests in wins:

 

Tendulkar 20/51 

Dravid 15/36

Kohli 13/29

Pujara 13/19

Rohit 12/12 

Rahane 9/12

Sehwag 8/23

VVS 7/17

Vijay 7/12

Gavaskar 6/34

 

Rohit impressive in terms of match winning ability all 100’s scored are in wins. Also only played 63 games. Massive six hitter.

 

Nothing too impressive about it when when you know 10 out of their 12 100 were scored in india, 1 in west indies  and only 1 in SENA

 

Easier to have higher win% when you score only in places where your team dominates and don't where your team loses.

Edited October 30, 2024 by New guy

[Frustrated]

4 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Their true legacy is "30 bad mins", "one bad session", "one poor match", "one off day" etc.

Shameless VadaPav was seen playing victim card with a long list of excuses at the PC after WTC Final 2023. He went on to blame the venue and suggested it to be held in the subcontinent henceforth.   Wonder if he would still hold on to this idea on the venue.  (after this massive home series humiliation against a ranked 6th team)

[Prabhdeep Singh]

7 hours ago, New guy said:

Nothing too impressive about it when when you know 10 out of their 12 100 were scored in india, 1 in west indies  and only 1 in SENA

 

Easier to have higher win% when you score only in places where your team dominates and don't where your team loses.

Just for reference, Virat Kohli has a similar breakdown:

 

10 in India

1 in WI

1 in SL

1 in England

[New guy]

45 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Just for reference, Virat Kohli has a similar breakdown:

 

10 in India

1 in WI

1 in SL

1 in England

Yes but he has scored 16 100 elsewhere where India didn't win.

 

My point is win% is easy to be high if you score only in places where your team wins. 

 

Sachin and kohlis will be low as they also scored in difficult places where team lost 

[Adamant]

Both Rohit and Kohli have won most icc trophies as players for India, with Kohli top scoring in two finals of those trophies and played a fine supporting role in the other one.

 

That along with being the GOAT ASIAN test captain and winning 5 test maces back to back with a series win in India and a series draw in England. Also the best batter in series draw in SA.

 

Add three Man of the tournaments in three icc trophies.

 

 

Thats as good a legacy as it gets.

[Frustrated]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:32 PM, Frustrated said:

The longer he stays in the team, Clown Chokli is likely to ensure the downfall of upcoming promising youngsters who are in the playing11.   

The way he ran out pant in 2nd test (2nd inning) is a testimony to that.  It was never a run there. Clown is short on confidence and it's forcing him to go for non-existent runs.  Next match he might run out Jaiswal.   

[Ultimate_Game]

One more feather about to be added to the legacy cap... this would be the first time ever India will be clean swept at home in a series with 3 matches or more!

 

What a stellar achievement by our experienced maharathis 

 

And that too to a mediocre NZ which was swept by SL 3-0 just last month!

[Lord]

The biggest legacy of Kohli is establishing this seniority culture where players become undroppable irrespective of performance.

 

Can't find it now, but when he was captain, he categorically said that if two players of equal ability are competing for a spot, senior one will always be preferred

 

 

[Frustrated]

7 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

One more feather about to be added to the legacy cap... this would be the first time ever India will be clean swept at home in a series with 3 matches or more!

 

What a stellar achievement by our experienced maharathis 

 

And that too to a mediocre NZ which was swept by SL 3-0 just last month!

I would still take a humiliating 0-3 whitewash at home (though with a pinch of salt) if it means Chokli- Vadapav getting booted out.   But unfortunately both these leeches will be seen sh!ting their pants on the field during the 2 month long BGT, irrespective of the output of the 3rd test.  This is where it hurts the most.  The culture is so rotten that accountability of our senior players is brushed under the carpet.   It's just like that a typical sarkari job where seniority (and not merit) yields promotion. 

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I would still take a humiliating 0-3 whitewash at home (though with a pinch of salt) if it means Chokli- Vadapav getting booted out.   But unfortunately both these leeches will be seen sh!ting their pants on the field during the 2 month long BGT, irrespective of the output of the 3rd test.  This is where it hurts the most.  The culture is so rotten that accountability of our senior players is brushed under the carpet.   It's just like that a typical sarkari job where seniority (and not merit) yields promotion. 

 

BCCI and nepo-aby Shah has successfully converted Indian team into a sarkari daftar or a political party. Selections are done via nominations and performances don't mean anything.

 

Rohit will still be the captain and Kohli will continue to fail.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

The biggest legacy of Kohli is establishing this seniority culture where players become undroppable irrespective of performance.

 

Can't find it now, but when he was captain, he categorically said that if two players of equal ability are competing for a spot, senior one will always be preferred

 

 

Well, i dont care much for ability but for results and yes, if two players are performing the same, i will go with the more senior player. That is how life works. If you are even stevens with some guy on the resume department, often it comes down to your age if you are young and he is in the 40s age group. 

 

Anyways, it seems like Kohli reads this board. When i said 'drop the man, he cant cut, so drives cutting balls for bullshit drives and gets out that way', he decided to go 'saale, i will show u - i dont just get out driving cutting balls, i also get out driving cutting balls to a fielder and then making the BIGGEST CARDINAL SIN in test cricekt as a batter - calling for a run and getting your ass runout. 

 

You are not supposed to get run-out in tests, barring exceptional scenarios - unless you are Inzy !!!!. 

Batsmen usually go entire careers of decades+ test cricket with 0-1 run outs to their resume and usually its not their fault either (other asshole ran them out). But no, Kohli had to show us, he is also the king of bullshit runouts in test cricket. 

 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Frustrated said:

I would still take a humiliating 0-3 whitewash at home (though with a pinch of salt) if it means Chokli- Vadapav getting booted out.   But unfortunately both these leeches will be seen sh!ting their pants on the field during the 2 month long BGT, irrespective of the output of the 3rd test.  This is where it hurts the most.  The culture is so rotten that accountability of our senior players is brushed under the carpet.   It's just like that a typical sarkari job where seniority (and not merit) yields promotion. 

 

Actually, this seniority culture came around with Sachin- when Sachin went through his horrid path in 2002 & 2006, management straight-up told that he is undroppable (and in my memory, even Gavaskar made a stink about it, despite being Sachin's godfather coz its unprofessional and blahblah) but you could tell that Sachin HIMSELF cared about his performances and was trying to fix the issues -which he did and always put a VALUE on his wicket. 
Kohli's entire body language in crease is he doesnt give a ****, this is just gulli-danda fun for him. He doesnt try anything different, he doesnt try to adapt his technique, he doesnt fix the glaring flaws he's had his whole career ( BSDK, why the fook cant u learn how to cut the damn ball ? Go find Sehwag, he will teach u how to cut even Brett Lee at pin point accuracy) and he doesnt adapt. 

Remember how we used to laud a young Kohli for being mentally the strongest Indian batsman ever ? Well, turns out thats not confidence, thats overconfidence and man simply never adapted his game from day1 of international cricket. He chose to ignore his flaws and shine despite of it and continues to chose so and doesnt have the humility of a Tendulkar to know his burau a$$ cant just 'muh confidence' away his flaws anymore like a young dude with a good eye once did. 

 

So Kohli doesnt improve & we suffer. Coz yay, babu culture - that which in Sachin's time was an exception, is now a company rule. except for Sachu, Dravid & Kumble, everyone was still droppable and was dropped- heck, Sehwag was dropped for far less screwups in his batting and at this point i will say Sehwag would've easily been the best damn batsman in THIS indian team. Actually forget Sehwag, even Ganguly would be clear-cut #3 best batter in this team even today and he also got dropped a lot near the end. 

now even nobody players like KL Rahul speak of themselves as 'we senior players'. Congratulations, BCCI has turned into  Union of BCCI govt. karyakartas. Which is deeply ironic, because the most ruthless, cut-throat team building and team evaluations in cricket are also in India, under the IPL team format. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

This is his legacy.  Bunch of sychopants who doesn't want to win the cup