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IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 (edited) 19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Anyone who could not predict this result are living in alternate world. Democratic party was the party for working class people party. That is how Obama built the coalition. Bernie was a quintessential representative of working class people. Trump literally stole his platform on the fly after seeing the surge for Sanders. He then used it against Hillary. "They stole primary from Sanders". He stokes more anger towards hillary. Bottomline is if you antagonize working class people anyway you will get burnt. Kamala lost because of Inflation + immigration. It doesn't matter who Democrats ran this time, thy would have still lost. No amount of campaigning, no matter who the candidate was, there was no way they are going to get over the fact ppl felt the inflation in their day today life while videos of ppl who just crossed the border getting free accommodation, food & services were all over SM. But Biden didn't actually antagonize WWC, he bent over backwards to win them. Edited November 7 by IndianRenegade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Just now, IndianRenegade said: Kamala lost because of Inflation + immigration. It doesn't matter who Democrats ran this time, thy would have still lost. No amount of campaigning, no matter who the candidate was, there was no way they are going to get over the fact ppl felt the inflation in their day today life while videos of ppl who just crossed the border getting free accommodation, food & services sent. But Biden didn't actually antagonize WWC, he bent over backwards to win them. Actually. That is an excuse they are giving. Electability factor is very very important. Someone who got 0 votes in primary and outperformed by more than a dozen pepole in the last election has no business to run for presidency. She came through backdoor. Even in the best case scenario she would lose. Look at the kind of votes she lost. Terrible. Even democrats are happy thta they didnt' vote for her. People should be able to relate to the candidate and vice versa. She had multiple negative points. First she was part of the incumbent government. Big red flag. Because an outsider can easily say "We will fix what they didn't". But Kamala cannot say that. They can ask "Why not fix now". Second of all she has no grasp of any topics. Least should could have done is brushed up her knowledge on economy. If you can't repeat what they fed you atleast speak from the heart. People will listen. Biden staye away from anti-trump attack mostly last time. It worked for him. Kamala didn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Actually. That is an excuse they are giving. Electability factor is very very important. Someone who got 0 votes in primary and outperformed by more than a dozen pepole in the last election has no business to run for presidency. She came through backdoor. Even in the best case scenario she would lose. Look at the kind of votes she lost. Terrible. Even democrats are happy thta they didnt' vote for her. People should be able to relate to the candidate and vice versa. She had multiple negative points. First she was part of the incumbent government. Big red flag. Because an outsider can easily say "We will fix what they didn't". But Kamala cannot say that. They can ask "Why not fix now". Second of all she has no grasp of any topics. Least should could have done is brushed up her knowledge on economy. If you can't repeat what they fed you atleast speak from the heart. People will listen. Biden staye away from anti-trump attack mostly last time. It worked for him. Kamala didn't do that. Running aan outsider might have helped the Dems, but people are going to blame the ruling party for their problems. Most popular dems backed Biden admin on Economy & immigration, it is not an easy for them to sell "I can fix it" when there isn't evidence of disagreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: Running aan outsider might have helped the Dems, but people are going to blame the ruling party for their problems. Most popular dems backed Biden admin on Economy & immigration, it is not an easy for them to sell "I can fix it" when there isn't evidence of disagreement. The thing is Trump had equal negatives to offset that. Indictments, impeachment, Insurrection, Election poll booth violence. On top of that he was much crazier even by his own standard. Also violent rhetorics. But if you can't directly to the people who were impacted by inflation they will turn their back. All she talked about was Trump and generic positive message. In a perfect world both should lose. Somebody had to win unforunately in US due to this two party system. Kamala's negative qualitied outweighed Trump's. ONly one thing i can sympathise with her she is a female candidate. America is known for considering females not to be their leader. Misogyny is real. They should have never fielded a woman. VP pick was also average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Anyone smart enough to explain this if this is legit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: The thing is Trump had equal negatives to offset that. Indictments, impeachment, Insurrection, Election poll booth violence. On top of that he was much crazier even by his own standard. Also violent rhetorics. But if you can't directly to the people who were impacted by inflation they will turn their back. All she talked about was Trump and generic positive message. In a perfect world both should lose. Somebody had to win unforunately in US due to this two party system. Kamala's negative qualitied outweighed Trump's. ONly one thing i can sympathise with her she is a female candidate. America is known for considering females not to be their leader. Misogyny is real. They should have never fielded a woman. VP pick was also average. It isn't true that's all she talked about, if you followed her final closing pitch she was on message. Trump was barely even mentioned except for ppl who worked with him, & know him don't support him this cycle, she was mostly talking about her economic plan, bringing prices down, women's rights, Medicare expansion, while trump was blabbering with name calling & giving BJ to mike. But you are right Dems aren't going to field another woman for decades. In retrospect, I think right track wrong track was probably leading indicator, 70% felt country was on the wrong track. The ruling party isn't going to get another term with such abysmal numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 minute ago, ravishingravi said: Anyone smart enough to explain this if this is legit ? Wrong as usual with all large-scale election fraud claim. California is like 55% of its total votes, many states aren't at 100%. when all is done she will be within the top democratic presidential candidates in terms of popular vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: It isn't true that's all she talked about, if you followed her final closing pitch she was on message. Trump was barely even mentioned except for ppl who worked with him, & know him don't support him this cycle, she was mostly talking about her economic plan, bringing prices down, women's rights, Medicare expansion, while trump was blabbering with name calling & giving BJ to mike. But you are right Dems aren't going to field another woman for decades. In retrospect, I think right track wrong track was probably leading indicator, 70% felt country was on the wrong track. The ruling party isn't going to get another term with such abysmal numbers. Their pro-israel stance really lost them a lot of key demographic votes. Muslim and blacks shunned her because of that. Never imagined a black woman losing this many black votes. Michigan loss was mostely definitely due to that. Border crisis drove the latino votes away. Even Lations don't want massive border crossing. Numbers were massive. So they failed to protect it. THere goes the latino votes. She lost blue wall because of Latino votes. Rise in prices are the main reason. I don't deny. Housing price, grocery price everything went through the roof. But she didn't come out with an concrete details plans. I dind't listen to her speech after a while. I watched two of her interview. Both disasters. She tried to deflect everything on Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 minute ago, IndianRenegade said: Wrong as usual with all large-scale election fraud claim. California is like 55% of its total votes, many states aren't at 100%. when all is done she will be within the top democratic presidential candidates in terms of popular vote. The fraud claims are wrong, but California isnt gonna make up the missing 10 million democrat votes. the numbers for california isnt that high for total voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Just now, vvvslaxman said: Their pro-israel stance really lost them a lot of key demographic votes. Muslim and blacks shunned her because of that. Never imagined a black woman losing this many black votes. Michigan loss was mostely definitely due to that. Border crisis drove the latino votes away. Even Lations don't want massive border crossing. Numbers were massive. So they failed to protect it. THere goes the latino votes. She lost blue wall because of Latino votes. Rise in prices are the main reason. I don't deny. Housing price, grocery price everything went through the roof. But she didn't come out with an concrete details plans. I dind't listen to her speech after a while. I watched two of her interview. Both disasters. She tried to deflect everything on Trump. Kamala got 80% of the black vote, genius. 80% voting for you isnt shunning. Learn better english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 We compare with past. Obviously Dems will get more black votes. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/us-election-2024-results-how-black-voters-shifted-towards-trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Michigan Harris and the Democrats lost 2 percentage points of the Black vote in this state after growing anti-Democrat sentiment in the wake of Israel’s war on Gaza. Meanwhile, Trump made a 2 percentage point gain. We have been following this trend for like 6 or 7 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Just now, vvvslaxman said: We compare with past. Obviously Dems will get more black votes. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/us-election-2024-results-how-black-voters-shifted-towards-trump yes, when yo compare with past, you get to say 'kamala won record low in black votes'. same way i said trump won record number of indo-american votes. Because unless you are MAJORITY that is supporting you, you cannot claim support of the whole community and unles the MAJORITY shun you, you cannot claim to be shunned by that community. As i said, basic english definitions. Learn them. Michigan is irrelevant to the trump win. Trump win is via Pennsylvania+Georgia+N.Carolina. **THESE** swing states is what gave him 271. Michigan, like AZ or nevada are just cherry on top. As usual, your analysis= brain dead like your position on hindu unity, india, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: yes, when yo compare with past, you get to say 'kamala won record low in black votes'. same way i said trump won record number of indo-american votes. Because unless you are MAJORITY that is supporting you, you cannot claim support of the whole community and unles the MAJORITY shun you, you cannot claim to be shunned by that community. As i said, basic english definitions. Learn them. Michigan is irrelevant to the trump win. Trump win is via Pennsylvania+Georgia+N.Carolina. **THESE** swing states is what gave him 271. Michigan, like AZ or nevada are just cherry on top. As usual, your analysis= brain dead like your position on hindu unity, india, etc. https://mynorthwest.com/4004351/rantz-will-israel-and-gaza-ads-scandal-hurt-kamala-harris-in-pa-and-mi/ They aired two different ads in two different states. One was pro israel. One was pro palestine. People found about it. ENtire blue wall was due to these issues. Even traditional democrat black voters turne their back as they did not pay attention to their slogans "Genocide Jo" "Killer Kamala" . They tried to play on both sides. And lost both sides and some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: https://mynorthwest.com/4004351/rantz-will-israel-and-gaza-ads-scandal-hurt-kamala-harris-in-pa-and-mi/ They aired two different ads in two different states. One was pro israel. One was pro palestine. People found about it. ENtire blue wall was due to these issues. Even traditional democrat black voters turne their back as they did not pay attention to their slogans "Genocide Jo" "Killer Kamala" . They tried to play on both sides. And lost both sides and some. The only blue wall states that care for israel-palestine are michigan and Minnesota, where there are significant population. Illinois,Pennsylvania and Wisconsin literally do not give a **** about israel-palestine. black voters do not care about israel-palestine either if they are over 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: The only blue wall states that care for israel-palestine are michigan and Minnesota, where there are significant population. Illinois,Pennsylvania and Wisconsin literally do not give a **** about israel-palestine. black voters do not care about israel-palestine either if they are over 25. We have been part of a few democrat facebook group. One of the key topic was Israel palestine. This is not restricted to MI and Michigan. It is everywhere. You think she didn't lose votes in New york? She lost everywhere even in blue states. Chicago was one place she faced severe protests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: The fraud claims are wrong, but California isnt gonna make up the missing 10 million democrat votes. the numbers for california isnt that high for total voters. I didn't say California is going to make up for all the lost votes. Going by 2020 Margin she can net another 4 million from California, she is already at 68 million and that alone will put her within the top dems in terms of popular vote. Comparing Vote numbers from an historic pandemic when 1000s of Americans lost their family members, & voted for change with a non-pandemic vote number is comparing apples to oranges. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: We have been part of a few democrat facebook group. One of the key topic was Israel palestine. This is not restricted to MI and Michigan. It is everywhere. You think she didn't lose votes in New york? She lost everywhere even in blue states. Chicago was one place she faced severe protests yes that is why your analysis is so dumb because democrats are complete dumbasses in analysis. they dont recognise the fact that 1st gen immigrants are even more anti illegal immigration in general than your average redneck, they also dont realize that 1st gen immigrants will easily sacrifice abortion right if it means a dude with a skirt on isnt getting into our girls washrooms. Yet, these are completely missing analysis from any democrat source. Its not everywhere because except for muslims and a few under 25 bluehairs, no one really cares about palestine or israel. Thats a very insignificnt voting block in general and only matters if Michigan or Minesota itself are going to be the deciders. Her losing votes all over the place has nothing to do with Israel-palestine, its to do with the fact that she is from the establishment that people are fed up with and her speaking skills are all word salad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 20 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Anyone who could not predict this result are living in alternate world. Democratic party was the party for working class people party. That is how Obama built the coalition. Bernie was a quintessential representative of working class people. Trump literally stole his platform on the fly after seeing the surge for Sanders. He then used it against Hillary. "They stole primary from Sanders". He stokes more anger towards hillary. Bottomline is if you antagonize working class people anyway you will get burnt. I wonder if Bernie would have done better than Hillary or Kamala. Bernie is far left, but he isn't as stupid and pathetic as these two ladies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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