Would you trade consistency with trophies for the Indian team?

[Ultimate_Game]

On 3/10/2025 at 5:43 AM, Lord said:

 

Different formats. He seems suited to white ball

 

TBF he can't do much in Tests unless Kohli and Rohit step away. If they don't our team will be busy trying to fit in 11 players in a 9 man team.

[Zero_Unit]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

But that CT2017 win has become a curse for them lol DIdn't win much any after that.

 

2 Asia cups didn't even reach final

2 World cups didn't even reach semi final

1 CT didn't even go past the first round

 

 

You're not wrong. But what I was arguing was that many teams have phases of consistency and when a bunch of players are out of form/retires, that same team can go from a consistent team to a total disaster. I am quite sure that was the case for many teams before you and I got into cricket and will be the same after you and I are no longer here. History won't remember much about which team was consistent on a regular basis but history will remember which team won the cup.

For instance, I wasn't around when Pakistan won the cup, but being a cricket nerd, I read up on what went down, they had a lot of luck going on their side when Imran khan lifted the cup or when Kapil dev did the same and the best was when Sri Lanka won the cup - from what I have read, that team was a unicorn to lift the cup. But not many will look into that - will only look into who is a world cup winner or who is a X cup winner. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said:

You're not wrong. But what I was arguing was that many teams have phases of consistency and when a bunch of players are out of form/retires, that same team can go from a consistent team to a total disaster. I am quite sure that was the case for many teams before you and I got into cricket and will be the same after you and I are no longer here. History won't remember much about which team was consistent on a regular basis but history will remember which team won the cup.

For instance, I wasn't around when Pakistan won the cup, but being a cricket nerd, I read up on what went down, they had a lot of luck going on their side when Imran khan lifted the cup or when Kapil dev did the same and the best was when Sri Lanka won the cup - from what I have read, that team was a unicorn to lift the cup. But not many will look into that - will only look into who is a world cup winner or who is a X cup winner. 

 

Thing is you have to be good at both. If you are consistent tournament win will automatically happen at some point. But if you are not consistent you will purely depend on fluke and tournament format where you just need 2 good days to win a tournament.  It is better to be consistent. Tournament win will eventually happen like INdia had now. back to back. Not only that INdia reached final as well in 2023 world cup after demolishing 10 teams. We know why we lose on one-off day. Now that we have identfied and fixed it we will be winning more.  Fixing one-off day loss is easier than achieving consistency.

[Zero_Unit]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Thing is you have to be good at both. If you are consistent tournament win will automatically happen at some point. But if you are not consistent you will purely depend on fluke and tournament format where you just need 2 good days to win a tournament.  It is better to be consistent. Tournament win will eventually happen like INdia had now. back to back. Not only that INdia reached final as well in 2023 world cup after demolishing 10 teams. We know why we lose on one-off day. Now that we have identfied and fixed it we will be winning more.  Fixing one-off day loss is easier than achieving consistency.

You're right again, but I was responding to the OP's og post. Trade consistency with trophies. SA has been consistent for many years, same for NZ. Not many ICC trophy to show for that.

[jf1gp_1]

As long as we keep winning icc test, odi and t20 trophy I am good. 

[nevada]

Most people will opt for the latter, but self belief for trophy wins comes from winning regularly, We beat all the top teams consistently in bilaterals to the point of saying "enough is enough, let us beat them in a world cup as well!". 

[Suhaan]

On 3/12/2025 at 8:58 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Now that we have identfied and fixed it we will be winning more.  Fixing one-off day loss is easier than achieving consistency.

I still don't believe our think tank is that rationale not that it's rocket science,

That fix seems more of a naturally forced one,we will again resort to have 4-5 rank tailenders soon while accomodating two elephants Badada Vada and Kohli at the top,moment we win few useless bilaterals

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

I still don't believe our think tank is that rationale not that it's rocket science,

That fix seems more of a naturally forced one,we will again resort to have 4-5 rank tailenders soon while accomodating two elephants Badada Vada and Kohli at the top,moment we win few useless bilaterals

Also, our current batting depth is good only for 250-265 kind of situations. Ideally you need an Abhishek or a Riyan Parag or a Nitish Reddy as a batting allrounder. These guys can play dynamic innings to turn a game on its head. Axar, Jaddu etc are good only for cameos. In T20s, Axar is good but not for ODIs. 

[putrevus]

 

Rohit and Kohli will not play forever, we will see what wonderful things these young guys will do next year.

 

Think tank being fixated with old guys was right call.One loss in three tournaments proves it.

 

If ace bowler and spinners had showed up  and did not turn a slogger like Head into Bradman, they were winning that match also.

 

They would have walked into sunset with champions trophy.

 

They are reason for team consistently knocking the doors from 2013.They will decide when they need to walk away too.

Edited March 14 by putrevus

[Suhaan]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Rohit and Kohli will not play forever, we will see what wonderful things these young guys will do next year.

 

Think tank being fixated with old guys was right call.One loss in three tournaments proves it.

 

If ace bowler and spinners had showed up  and did not turn a slogger like Head into Bradman, they were winning that match also.

 

They would have walked into sunset with champions trophy.

 

They are reason for team consistently knocking the doors from 2013.They will decide when they need to walk away too.

Ace bowler delivered an ICC trophy which is not a duplicate trophy in 144p ,saved us from Eng at home,gave us the upper hand in Aus

If king coolie had not freezed with kela we would have won that trophy , batting failed us that night

Julie was on mission to return us empty handed from WI last year as well

Edited March 14 by Suhaan

[Need4Speed]

Would you trade consistency with trophies for the Indian team?

 

Better..we can consistently win trophies :D

[Nikhil_cric]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

Rohit and Kohli will not play forever, we will see what wonderful things these young guys will do next year.

 

Think tank being fixated with old guys was right call.One loss in three tournaments proves it.

 

If ace bowler and spinners had showed up  and did not turn a slogger like Head into Bradman, they were winning that match also.

 

They would have walked into sunset with champions trophy.

 

They are reason for team consistently knocking the doors from 2013.They will decide when they need to walk away too.

There was nothing that could have been done on that pitch. It was lost at the toss with a slow, gripping surface turning into glass under lights. 

 

 

[Strangering]

Yes. Bilaterals don't mean anything in white ball cricket. Lose all bilaterals and win me worldcups. 

 

Bilaterals in Tests matter to qualify for WTC. 

[R!TTER]

Which is a useless "trophy" given where it's held.

[rkt.india]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

Rohit and Kohli will not play forever, we will see what wonderful things these young guys will do next year.

 

Think tank being fixated with old guys was right call.One loss in three tournaments proves it.

 

If ace bowler and spinners had showed up  and did not turn a slogger like Head into Bradman, they were winning that match also.

 

They would have walked into sunset with champions trophy.

 

They are reason for team consistently knocking the doors from 2013.They will decide when they need to walk away too.

We didn't have enough score to win that match.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

We didn't have enough score to win that match.

We did have enough to put up fight.Nothing was enough the way they bowled by letting other team's opener score 130 plus .

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

We did have enough to put up fight.Nothing was enough the way they bowled by letting other team's opener score 130 plus .

They bowled well initially.
When chasing scores like that..you need a bit of luck. Shami and Bumrah were just missing the edges of the Head.
Then that "dew" came in to Ahmedabad (not sure why Dravid or Rohit didn't thought of that). Spinners became ineffective, which was one of our primary reasons where we actually let go of the game, plus Siraj was a bit letdown.

[Lord]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

They bowled well initially.
When chasing scores like that..you need a bit of luck. Shami and Bumrah were just missing the edges of the Head.
Then that "dew" came in to Ahmedabad (not sure why Dravid or Rohit didn't thought of that). Spinners became ineffective, which was one of our primary reasons where we actually let go of the game, plus Siraj was a bit letdown.

 

What do you mean?

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

What do you mean?

To be more proactive in the middle overs while batting.
Extra 30 runs could have given us more freedom.

Edited March 15 by singhvivek141

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

To be more proactive in the middle overs while batting.
Extra 30 runs could have given us more freedom.

 

That was on KL squarely. Partly Kohli too. but mostly KL.