Ultimate_Game Posted March 15 Posted March 15 27 minutes ago, Lord said: That was on KL squarely. Partly Kohli too. but mostly KL. On both of them. None of them tried to be pro-active. India was 80/2 off 10. All they had to do was bat at 5 an over and you get to 280. No matter what but the pitch wasn't that bad that you couldn't bat at 5 an over. A total of 280 would have been slightly below par and would've given our bowlers something to defend. 240 was a gimme on that pitch.
R!TTER Posted March 15 Posted March 15 What are you talking about? Did you forget "pace basher" Iyer got out before KL & 360° player was hidden in plain sight for the last 10 overs That loss is squarely on fat arse, he was the biggest culprit!
putrevus Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: They bowled well initially. When chasing scores like that..you need a bit of luck. Shami and Bumrah were just missing the edges of the Head. Then that "dew" came in to Ahmedabad (not sure why Dravid or Rohit didn't thought of that). Spinners became ineffective, which was one of our primary reasons where we actually let go of the game, plus Siraj was a bit letdown. NZ showed , how to put up fight even after 100/0. I don't think Indian bowlers believed that they could win, once Shami had bad day it was curtains for India,
vvvslaxman Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: On both of them. None of them tried to be pro-active. India was 80/2 off 10. All they had to do was bat at 5 an over and you get to 280. No matter what but the pitch wasn't that bad that you couldn't bat at 5 an over. A total of 280 would have been slightly below par and would've given our bowlers something to defend. 240 was a gimme on that pitch. The same old disease of going in with 4 tailenders with Jadeja at 7. That is almost like 5 tailenders. Once you lose 3 wickets these bozos by default would shut shop. These guys don't have the ability to maintain the tempo without losing the wicket. You need courage, guts, jazba to play like that under pressure. Neither Kohli nor Rahul have that. THey just let poor bowlers like Travis head get away. Cummins, Starc none of them bowled that well. We made them look like some great bowlers. They were hoping bowlers would bail us out like they did against England. But Ahmedabad under lights is christmas for batsmen. You are supposed to score above par. Combination of terrible field placement and unimaginative field set of Rohit made sure we couldn't even fight. There is a statistics on Travis head vs India under Rohit vs Travis head vs India and others. There is a significant different. Edited March 15 by vvvslaxman Ultimate_Game and singhvivek141 2
singhvivek141 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 8 hours ago, putrevus said: NZ showed , how to put up fight even after 100/0. I don't think Indian bowlers believed that they could win, once Shami had bad day it was curtains for India, Along with bowlers, even fielders stopped showing any urgency once Australia crossed 100. Anyway, we can blame as per our convenience. But in totality it was a game where at every moment we made a bad choice. Dew made the matters worse.
Suhaan Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) Arey batsmen toh hamare doodh ke dhule hain Edited March 16 by Suhaan
Lord Posted March 16 Posted March 16 16 hours ago, putrevus said: NZ showed , how to put up fight even after 100/0. I don't think Indian bowlers believed that they could win, once Shami had bad day it was curtains for India, Chalk and cheese. NZ put up a fight vs same batting which put 240 in WC finals. Biggest thing is there spinners were in contention all throughout. We had to deal with dew which flattened the pitch. Even 300 would not have been easy to defend
putrevus Posted March 16 Posted March 16 8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Along with bowlers, even fielders stopped showing any urgency once Australia crossed 100. Anyway, we can blame as per our convenience. But in totality it was a game where at every moment we made a bad choice. Dew made the matters worse. That falls on bowlers and captains.They just gave up fight. That was pathetic display.
putrevus Posted March 16 Posted March 16 25 minutes ago, Lord said: Chalk and cheese. NZ put up a fight vs same batting which put 240 in WC finals. Biggest thing is there spinners were in contention all throughout. We had to deal with dew which flattened the pitch. Even 300 would not have been easy to defend I don't think so, putting up fight has got everything to do with attitude.That start with main bowlers and captain. 140 to win with 10 wickets remaining, it is all about putting up fight. That was lacking on Nov 23. It is not for the first time Indian bowlers have pulled up that feat.22 t20 semifinals, 21 against Pakistan.Don't have to win, make it as hard as possible.Who know whats happen once you fight.
Lord Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Just now, putrevus said: I don't think so, putting up fight has got everything to do with attitude.That start with main bowlers and captain. 140 to win with 10 wickets remaining, it is all about putting up fight. That was lacking on Nov 23. It is not for the first time Indian bowlers have pulled up that feat.22 t20 semifinals, 21 against Pakistan.Don't have to win, make it as hard as possible.Who know whats happen once you fight. Attitude is just a big word. It won't make the ball spin on a dewy surface. All those you listed were under par scores. Bowlers can be blamed only for not defending par or above par score,not clean up after batsmen. crictime 1
putrevus Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) On 3/16/2025 at 8:26 AM, Lord said: Attitude is just a big word. It won't make the ball spin on a dewy surface. All those you listed were under par scores. Bowlers can be blamed only for not defending par or above par score,not clean up after batsmen. they were not pitches either where they could not take single wicket.So it is all about attitude. Indian no name bowlers defended a below par score in 2011 that too in full dewy conditions.Ashwin and jadeja defended 126 to win CT. When you had so called better bowlers they could do any such thing. Edited March 17 by putrevus
crictime Posted March 16 Posted March 16 50 minutes ago, Lord said: Attitude is just a big word. It won't make the ball spin on a dewy surface. All those you listed were under par scores. Bowlers can be blamed only for not defending par or above par score,not clean up after batsmen. Not getting enough spin is not the only aspect of spin bowling which gets tough, even it's very difficult to get the line and length correct due to lack of proper grip in dew conditions. Overall having 5 spinners (Kuldeep, Varun, Jadeja, Axar and Sundar) in the squad was a strategic master stroke by the management. Other teams neglected the conditions in Asia by selecting just 2 spinners in squad and made a blunder before the matches even started. Lord 1
R!TTER Posted March 16 Posted March 16 20 minutes ago, putrevus said: they were not pitches either where they could not take single wicket.So it is all about attitude. Indian no name bowlers defended a below par score in 2011 that too in full dewy conditions.Ashwin and jadeja defended 126 to CT. When you had so called better bowlers they could do any such thing. For every such "attitude" wicket we have Lahore 1996 where the greatest magician our gen also failed Lord 1
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