Would you trade consistency with trophies for the Indian team?

[deathmonger]

55 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Ind fast bowling is in v.bad shape rt.now and there is no hope. 

For WC 27 Ind will need 3 pacers in the playing 11 and 2 more on the bench in 15.

 

Who are those 5 pacers  ??? 

The realistic scenario is :: Bhumrah's availability is unknow, Siraj is declining :yes he had 1 good eng series that's it but has been declining> then who is next in line ????

 

Do not think Pandaya has 10 overs on consistent basis currently and he will decline further in 2 yrs time. Plus he can break-down in tournament itself . Happened in wc-23 and Asa cup-25

 

 

That's why Rana and NKR are being persisted with.

[tapandrun]

24 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

We should look for 4 fast bowlers for ODI WC 2027. Bumrah is one and maybe Siraj another. Two spots are still open with Rana, Arshdeep and Prasidh in contention as of now. Pandya is your fast bowler allrounder with 6-8 overs per match. Nitish is being tried out but no success as yet.

 

Also, Gambhir is overdoing the allrounder formula in ODI. There is no need of 3 allrounders in an ODI XI. The perfect combination is

6 batsman (each of them should be a match winner with bat) and atleast one of them have an ability to bowl 4-6 overs per match.
2 All rounders who can bowl 6-8 over per match.
3 Pure bowlers (match winners)

 

Considering current availability and also assuming Roko won't be there, this is my XI as of today.

Jaiswal
Gill

Tilak 
Iyer
Rahul
Pandya
Parag
Axar
Kuldeep
Siraj
Bumrah

If you need a third fast bowler, drop Axar and play him. Don't compromise on bowling by playing another allrounder.

 

There are not many fast bowling alllrounders and if they are investing time in some1 that should be okay, may be add 1-2 such player.

 

But there should no inclusion of bits and pieces players , they do not win games vs good teams or big matches. They can have 1 v.good game out of blue moon.

 

There should be a v.strong primary suite like how Aus does it , these are good allrounders who makes into playing 11 based on 1 primary suite/skill and other is auxiliary added advantage. Having 6+ bowling options in Odis is great plus.  Having 6+ bowling options means teams can cover-up for 1.5 bowlers having a bad day.

Look at NZ and Aus how they select their allrounders ::: Maxwell is a batter, Head is a batter, Owen is a batter, Marsh is a batter. And the other option are similar.

NZ :: Santner is a bowler, Phillips is batter and wk, Mitchell is batter, Rachin is a batter, bracewell is a batter(kind of finisher for NZ), NIsham is a batter.

 

Al these are not bit and pieces but genuine batters who can bowl , if its not a fast -bowling allrounder then they have to be batter first or have a v.strong primary skill

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2025 by tapandrun

[deepdynamo]

20 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

There are not many fast bowling alllrounders and if they are investing time in some1 that should be okay, may be add 1-2 such player.

 

But there should no inclusion of bits and pieces players , they do not win games vs good teams or big matches. They can have 1 v.good game out of blue moon.

 

There should be a v.strong primary suite like how Aus does it , these are good allrounders who makes into playing 11 based on 1 primary suite/skill and other is auxiliary added advantage. Having 6+ bowling options in Odis is great plus.  Having 6+ bowling options means teams can cover-up for 1.5 bowlers having a bad day.

Look at NZ and Aus how they select their allrounders ::: Maxwell is a batter, Head is a batter, Owen is a batter, Marsh is a batter. And the other option are similar.

NZ :: Santner is a bowler, Phillips is batter and wk, Mitchell is batter, Rachin is a batter, bracewell is a batter(kind of finisher for NZ), NIsham is a batter.

 

Al these are not bit and pieces but genuine batters who can bowl , if its not a fast -bowling allrounder then they have to be batter first or have a v.strong primary skill

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't have any genuine fast bowler who can bat well. Hrashit Rana is being tried out and if he can improve his batting upto Deepak Chahar level, then its a solid investment keeping 2027 in mind.

 

Also, Axar and Washington can't play in the same XI. Only one of them makes the cut.

Nitish Reddy experiment is not going well. The only way it can work is to make Reddy a genuine batter who can bowl a bit ala Wian Mulder. Otherwise its failed investment.

[tapandrun]

49 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

We don't have any genuine fast bowler who can bat well. Hrashit Rana is being tried out and if he can improve his batting upto Deepak Chahar level, then its a solid investment keeping 2027 in mind.

 

Also, Axar and Washington can't play in the same XI. Only one of them makes the cut.

Nitish Reddy experiment is not going well. The only way it can work is to make Reddy a genuine batter who can bowl a bit ala Wian Mulder. Otherwise its failed investment.

Mentioned this previously they are making it a project team. They are trying to develop 4-5 players not sure if that is a good idea at intnl level.

Yes development cycles are needed but there a alot of things they are trying to develop. Gill as captain his out side sc record is bad even in Odis (his best format).

 

Playing axar and Sundar in 11. Reddy as allrounder. Do not think apart from axar , reddy and sundar can walk into playing 11 on 1 primary skill. The issue here is reddy can not make into playing 11 based on his batting only, have been posting it sundar lacks power game to be in white-ball playing at 6/7/8. If he plays should be seen as bowler nt an allrounder and does he makes into playing 11 as bowler  ???

 

Developing Rana and Krishna as bowler , they have ingredients to be good or at-least the direction is good- Tall, fast, hit-the deck fast bowlers. This is the only thing the are doing it right but getting most backslash on this. 

 

 

 

 

[deepdynamo]

32 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Mentioned this previously they are making it a project team. They are trying to develop 4-5 players not sure if that is a good idea at intnl level.

Yes development cycles are needed but there a alot of things they are trying to develop. Gill as captain his out side sc record is bad even in Odis (his best format).

 

Playing axar and Sundar in 11. Reddy as allrounder. Do not think apart from axar , reddy and sundar can walk into playing 11 on 1 primary skill. The issue here is reddy can not make into playing 11 based on his batting only, have been posting it sundar lacks power game to be in white-ball playing at 6/7/8. If he plays should be seen as bowler nt an allrounder and does he makes into playing 11 as bowler  ???

 

Developing Rana and Krishna as bowler , they have ingredients to be good or at-least the direction is good- Tall, fast, hit-the deck fast bowlers. This is the only thing the are doing it right but getting most backslash on this. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, out of the four allrounders in contention with a cavet that the player must have a solid primary skill,

 

Pandya is a genuine top 6 batsman and can bowl 6-8 overs easily in an ODI. He is a lock-in.
Reddy is niether a top 6 batsman nor a reliable bowler. He is not the answer at the moment.
Washington is a realiable bowler but his batting at 7/8 is not good enough in ODI.
Axar is a good defensive bowler in ODI but his batting at 7/8 is againt not convincing.

So, overall after this series we don't have much answer. To be safe, lets just play Pandya and Axar and fill up the remaining spots with match winners batsman and bowlers. No bits n pirces please.

[Ultimate_Game]

On 10/25/2025 at 12:50 PM, deepdynamo said:

 

Yes, out of the four allrounders in contention with a cavet that the player must have a solid primary skill,

 

Pandya is a genuine top 6 batsman and can bowl 6-8 overs easily in an ODI. He is a lock-in.
Reddy is niether a top 6 batsman nor a reliable bowler. He is not the answer at the moment.
Washington is a realiable bowler but his batting at 7/8 is not good enough in ODI.
Axar is a good defensive bowler in ODI but his batting at 7/8 is againt not convincing.

So, overall after this series we don't have much answer. To be safe, lets just play Pandya and Axar and fill up the remaining spots with match winners batsman and bowlers. No bits n pirces please.

 

That's why need to bring Parag into the fold. Good lower order batter and can bowl a few overs of spin just like Maxwell. In fact Parag's a better bowler than Maxwell. I would bring in Parag ahead of Sundar or Kuldeep.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Why should India have to trade, amount of talent that they have they should be able to do both.

 

 

Edited October 26, 2025 by Prabhdeep Singh

[Ultimate_Game]

34 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Why should India have to trade, amount talent that they have they should be able to both.

 

Yup, India should be in Cricket what US is in Basketball. This thinking small has been our bane. We're satisfied with small achievements and barely achieving anything when we should be aiming at winning everything and all the time.

[deepdynamo]

10 hours ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Why should India have to trade, amount of talent that they have they should be able to do both.

 

 

 

Yes, we should win every game of cricket but in reality such feat is hard to achieve. So, if we have to falter, let it be in these bilaterals. Also, use these matches to identify new players with role clarity and also throw in bit of experimentation as well.

[deepdynamo]

We are losing random bilateral series (ODIs) & important Test series(sadly) but Gambhir team, in-between, is winning title after title. Hindsight, its actually ok to lose random bilaterals here and there but then kill it in the tournamant.

 

But, losing Test matches is bummer, though.