Gautam Gambhir performance as coach

[prudent_kreeda]

12 hours ago, adi B said:

Exactly .

Different coaches for different formats is the key .

Gambo seems like a White ball coach right now ,shastri wasn't 

Yes Shastri was not Coach . Did not even influence in picking right players many times. Just went with Chokli's  illogical selections several times.

His Plus point was man management.  

In that respect GG seem to be more firm in backing players . His backing of Varun & KL in this CT had massive impact in winning this CT. 

[express bowling]

I think it took some time for GG and RGS to gel. Both are very opinionated with strong preferences. NZ test loss was probably a result of that. ( Australia test series needed a more settled pace unit which was not developed in the 2023 - 24 period )

 

But now they have gelled and have found a working formula. Was noticeable in Eng ODI series and in CT now. 

 

I expect us to do much better in tests from now on. 

Edited March 10 by express bowling

[rollingstoned]

13 hours ago, lemsip said:

GG is lucky that he has essentially the same team that played in 2023 under Dravid for ODIs. Bumrah is missing but Varun is new. Apart from that it is the same team playing int he same style under the same captain. I wouldn't put the result down to GG.

He is doing OK in white ball cricket but the whole setup needs shaking up in tests. GG is too toxic an influence plus he really does not have any man management or coaching credentials. I particularly fear for pant's career under GG as he seems to have an instictive aversion to him. A better coach would build a new team around the young proven payers in tests like Jaiswal, Pant and firmly call the time on the passengers.

He is probably punishing Pant for the way he got out in the BGT. I wouldn't have done it myself but it seemed to have ticked off Gavaskar big time too. Lol. He will around and pick him soon, too good a player to ignore. 

[Number]

Serial winner in white ball. Varun's inclusion was the masterstroke.

 

Hope we get a different coach and management team for red ball cricket.

So much white ball cricket going around, it leaves very less time for the same coaching staff to identify new talent for tests, train and work with them.

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[lemsip]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

He is probably punishing Pant for the way he got out in the BGT. I wouldn't have done it myself but it seemed to have ticked off Gavaskar big time too. Lol. He will around and pick him soon, too good a player to ignore. 

Not a great sign if true.. would be opposite of good man management. Singling out a young player for a mistake when senior players ( like Kohli) were making the same mistake over and over. I didn't even think Pant was at fault. He was 4th out in an allegedly long lineup yet the coach made him single handedly responsible for the defeat 

[diga]

14 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Not a great sign if true.. would be opposite of good man management. Singling out a young player for a mistake when senior players ( like Kohli) were making the same mistake over and over. I didn't even think Pant was at fault. He was 4th out in an allegedly long lineup yet the coach made him single handedly responsible for the defeat 

Damien Martyn got sidelined for 5+ years after playing a rash stroke against south africa if I remember right... 

 

 

[lemsip]

6 minutes ago, diga said:

Damien Martyn got sidelined for 5+ years after playing a rash stroke against south africa if I remember right... 

 

 

That would be a stupid decision too. How can the entire teams batting be so dependent on its wicketkeeper that if he gets out the game ends ?

[putrevus]

There is nothing humilating than losing 3-0 at home and 3-1 BGT.

 

This CT win does not do anything to overcome those blunders.Still he will get to coach in England. We will see how wondeful he will do there.

 

I don't think he is even good coach.

 

This win is more about quality of Kohli and Rohit than it is about GG. one loss in three different ICC tournaments proves it.

 

 

 

Edited March 10 by putrevus

[MK55]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

I think it took some time for GG and RGS to gel. Both are very opinionated with strong preferences. NZ test loss was probably a result of that. ( Australia test series needed a more settled pace unit which was not developed in the 2023 - 24 period )

 

But now they have gelled and have found a working formula. Was noticeable in Eng ODI series and in CT now. 

 

I expect us to do much better in tests from now on. 

 

The thing with test cricket is that there are no shortcuts or clever trickery involved. The team who’s fighting and that has got all bases covered, will usually end up winning. It’s more about skills and resilience.

Now they can do a better job in strategies, toss, field placements etc, deciding when to attack etc. But there’s a limit.

 

However, the big problem or deficiency is the team’s over reliance on Bumrah. Bumrah is also not willing to bend his back that often now. We need a couple of high quality quick bowlers to support him. Harshit is showing promise but that’s about it right now. And the batting of quite a few batters is not up to the task. This batting decline is irreversible unless there are big changes.

 

So the question is - Does Gambhir have the balls to take the big decisions for test cricket.

 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 2/19/2025 at 7:52 PM, putrevus said:

I don't think he is cutout for test cricket. His choice of coaches also has been awful too. Jingoism is the not the answer.

 

 

bhai he got a top coach for fast bowlers , for batting he got 2 coaches and for fielding too. he got support staff for massage also..i feel he is a guy who ASKS for what is required to win.

he does not sugar coat and easily speaks what he feels is the TRUTH. avesh khan was not upto the mark , mukesh kumar was not good both were backed by chetan sharma as the bowlers who were going to Australia.

had chetan been the coach we would have mukesh and avesh with BOOM...where as gg got harshit and Prasidh. prasidh did not perform as much as I expected him to perform but i am kind of sure that Prasidh , Mayank yadav, kuldeep sen and harshit are our next in line bowlers and you have to count SIRAJ too now as he can also bowl well one day and be average the very next day. GG dropped all trundlers like the left arm trundlers who were picked only arshdeep is playing thanks to some skills that sardar has.

 

see Harshit- he is not just about PACE , he has a very effective Slow ball and at least 3 variations.

See Varun..he bowled 115.x yesterday ( few balls) , thats the pace which some of our Trundlers bowled at. he was turning the ball at 110k, see the confidence of that guy , he hardly celebrates when he takes 2 wickets in 10 overs, yesterday he clearly felt that he was not upto the mark where as he got 2 for 45 in 10 overs and was unlucky not to get 2 more.

shammi was brought back as soon as BOOM was rested. shammi got a lot of rest and the right kind of practice. 

i feel GG is going to stay for long - he does not beleive in STARS though he is supporting rohit and kohli but he ask them to SIT out too when he knows they are out of form. 

would dravid do that ??? or would shastri do that????

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

I think it took some time for GG and RGS to gel. Both are very opinionated with strong preferences. NZ test loss was probably a result of that. ( Australia test series needed a more settled pace unit which was not developed in the 2023 - 24 period )

 

But now they have gelled and have found a working formula. Was noticeable in Eng ODI series and in CT now. 

 

I expect us to do much better in tests from now on. 

I hope you are correct. Rohit seems a defensive captain (which doesn't work in longest format). He didn't kept slips when Kuldeep was bowling.
Bumrah is more proactive in that sense as a captain.

[putrevus]

49 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

bhai he got a top coach for fast bowlers , for batting he got 2 coaches and for fielding too. he got support staff for massage also..i feel he is a guy who ASKS for what is required to win.

he does not sugar coat and easily speaks what he feels is the TRUTH. avesh khan was not upto the mark , mukesh kumar was not good both were backed by chetan sharma as the bowlers who were going to Australia.

had chetan been the coach we would have mukesh and avesh with BOOM...where as gg got harshit and Prasidh. prasidh did not perform as much as I expected him to perform but i am kind of sure that Prasidh , Mayank yadav, kuldeep sen and harshit are our next in line bowlers and you have to count SIRAJ too now as he can also bowl well one day and be average the very next day. GG dropped all trundlers like the left arm trundlers who were picked only arshdeep is playing thanks to some skills that sardar has.

 

see Harshit- he is not just about PACE , he has a very effective Slow ball and at least 3 variations.

See Varun..he bowled 115.x yesterday ( few balls) , thats the pace which some of our Trundlers bowled at. he was turning the ball at 110k, see the confidence of that guy , he hardly celebrates when he takes 2 wickets in 10 overs, yesterday he clearly felt that he was not upto the mark where as he got 2 for 45 in 10 overs and was unlucky not to get 2 more.

shammi was brought back as soon as BOOM was rested. shammi got a lot of rest and the right kind of practice. 

i feel GG is going to stay for long - he does not beleive in STARS though he is supporting rohit and kohli but he ask them to SIT out too when he knows they are out of form. 

would dravid do that ??? or would shastri do that????

I am all for giving enough chances to prove themselves for both players and coaches and this win is going to buy him that time.Personally I don't think he is a good coach. 

 

Indian bowling looked lost in Australia whenever Bumrah was not bowling.It will again do so if Shami is not going to be fit for England.Bumrah will be again overworked and stressed out if he is fit.England batting will be filling their boots.

 

You don't get swept at home by NZ if you are good coach either.

 

Coaching is also about putting the players in positions to succeed by coming up with plans to succeed.The ability to fight back from adverse positions is on captain first then coach.I did not see that enough under Gambhir.

 

Harshit to me still has a long way from becoming even decent test bowler..First he needs to improve his fitness to have ability to bowl 20 overs.You cannot hide in England in summer you have to bowl 20 overs/day at reasonable economy rate , we will see if he can do the job.

 

I always believe team should have superstars, they are the ones who drive the bus.They take pressure off the other team members.But they cannot do alone.Without Axar India was not winning the cup but without its superstars it would not sniffing the titles either.

 

Why would GG be against stars.

 

Nobody made Sachin a superstar, he became a star based on his performance.Kohli and Rohit have been those superstars in this decade who have taken brunt of criticism when they could not get the teams over the line.

 

Dravid's coaching gave me headaches.

 

 

 

Edited March 10 by putrevus

[Zero_Unit]

Waiting for this midget to come and be like BEST COACH EVER B*TCH and then give them the glaring evil eyes.

Edited March 10 by Zero_Unit

[crictime]

Has got one major title already in his first six months as coach.His CV as coach is much better with this win.After all, whatever success he has achieved coaching KKR is not same as winning CT.

[raki05]

On 3/10/2025 at 12:27 AM, lemsip said:

GG is lucky that he has essentially the same team that played in 2023 under Dravid for ODIs. Bumrah is missing but Varun is new. Apart from that it is the same team playing int he same style under the same captain. I wouldn't put the result down to GG.

He is doing OK in white ball cricket but the whole setup needs shaking up in tests. GG is too toxic an influence plus he really does not have any man management or coaching credentials. I particularly fear for pant's career under GG as he seems to have an instictive aversion to him. A better coach would build a new team around the young proven payers in tests like Jaiswal, Pant and firmly call the time on the passengers.

No Dravid played useless hack like sky not just in odi but in test as well…. Rhat was the biggest brain fade selection not expected from dravid other than pitch tampering in final. I would say wc final loss is one of the biggest taint in our loi history as that was our wc to win. In comparison, Gambhir played master stroke to bring Axar in mo in 50 overs and stick with him, playing kela ahead of pant i hated that but trust me the inning kela played in final and sf was really important so these 2 decision was real master stroke. I still fill Pant is better player in odi than kl but considering the kind of pitches in Dubai kela selection was real master stroke which none of us agreed to. The biggest reason in test cricket failure is rohit and kohli were completely zero performing during entire nz and au series. You cant compete in test cricket where 2 of your most experienced players gave zero performance contrary to what they have shown in loi. So ya learn to give credit while gambhir win a 50 over iic tournament after 12 years while we all were crying and criticised him for all the recent test match failure.

[raki05]

On 3/10/2025 at 11:35 AM, mikeypbadana86 said:

To be fair to Kohli/Shastri, both their ICC tournament losses ( 2017 CT and 2019 ODI world cup) were in England where the odds were not overwhelming favourable unlike the slow-dry conditions in west indies/Dubai which played to indias advantage.

 

Under Kohli/Shastri, India definetly was a great test team. Had it not rained and the match not got pushed to next day  in 2019 ODI world cup semis , the results could have been different. 

 

Kohli shastri used to play useless hack in loi, ttf like jadhav, rayadu, vijay , Dk,shankar and thala. They never tried younger players or tried any new strategy in loi. They were utter disaster in lois inspite of having all our star players at their peak. The biggest disaster was loosing to that hackish pakistani in ct 2017.

[vvvslaxman]

He is using KKR template.  If you want to play fearless cricket you need depth something we have been talking about for 5 years.  We even gave an example of CSK, KKR on how depth can pull you out of trouble.

[rangeelaraja]

1 minute ago, raki05 said:

No Dravid played useless hack like sky not just in odi but in test as well…. Rhat was the biggest brain fade selection not expected from dravid other than pitch tampering in final. I would say wc final loss is one of the biggest taint in our loi history as that was our wc to win. In comparison, Gambhir played master stroke to bring Axar in mo in 50 overs and stick with him, playing kela ahead of pant i hated that but trust me the inning kela played in final and sf was really important so these 2 decision was real master stroke. I still fill Pant is better player in odi than kl but considering the kind of pitches in Dubai kela selection was real master stroke which none of us agreed to. The biggest reason in test cricket failure is rohit and kohli were completely zero performing during entire nz and au series. You cant compete in test cricket where 2 of your most experienced players gave zero performance contrary to what they have shown in loi. So ya learn to give credit while gambhir win a 50 over iic tournament after 12 years while we all were crying and criticised him for all the recent test match failure.

Really ?  
 

We had one stupid brainfade moment in 2023 finals with stupid pitch gaming - otherwise 2023 was a stunning performance - even more so than 2025 CT. Performing under pressure of home crowd and so much traveling. I think the results we are seeing are fruits of the hardwork of Dravid to an extent - remember he parted after the 2024 T20 win - which indeed shows it is fruits of his hard work and planning  in white ball cricket. 
 

Gambhir was a fighter on the field - but where I don’t trust this guy is that he has strong likes and dislikes and can be vindictive. These are terrible qualities to have as coach. I still do not trust this guy till he can  resurrect our test fortunes. Nothing can compensate for the 0-3 test white wash at home at the hand of BC Kiwis. It cost us a place in the WTC final. 

[raki05]

3 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

Really ?  
 

We had one stupid brainfade moment in 2023 finals with stupid pitch gaming - otherwise 2023 was a stunning performance - even more so than 2025 CT. Performing under pressure of home crowd and so much traveling. I think the results we are seeing are fruits of the hardwork of Dravid to an extent - remember he parted after the 2024 T20 win - which indeed shows it is fruits of his hard work and planning  in white ball cricket. 
 

Gambhir was a fighter on the field - but where I don’t trust this guy is that he has strong likes and dislikes and can be vindictive. These are terrible qualities to have as coach. I still do not trust this guy till he can  resurrect our test fortunes. Nothing can compensate for the 0-3 test white wash at home at the hand of BC Kiwis. It cost us a place in the WTC final. 

Yes home series 3-0 loss is biggest taint in his resume. But let me tell tgis he is as responsible as kohli, rohit and agarkar. Agarkar for selecting these 2 failures and these 2 being zero entity in teat cricket and we had to play with 9 players and then Gambhir choosing shity rank turner against kiwis..

[rangeelaraja]

6 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Yes home series 3-0 loss is biggest taint in his resume. But let me tell tgis he is as responsible as kohli, rohit and agarkar. Agarkar for selecting these 2 failures and these 2 being zero entity in teat cricket and we had to play with 9 players and then Gambhir choosing shity rank turner against kiwis..

Dropping the biggest names in Indian cricket is outside the pay grade of selectors. It is outside their aaukat. Has never happened in our history. These messages are passed subtly through Chairman. Like Ganguly conveying to Kohli that he is being replaced as captain.  So while Agarkar is bad, it is beyond his pay grade to drop Kohli and Rohit from the test side. Jay shah would communicate that - but they are so pally with him - commercial interests and everything else - it’s not going to happen unless there is a strong media and public frenzy against them. The real culprit is not Agarkar - he is powerless in front of these two.