Gautam Gambhir performance as coach

[Frustrated]

I think it's the Fielding & Bowling which cost us this match. (Bowling & Fielding coach should be held accountable).   Even if 3 out of those 6 dropped catches were held onto, we could hv atleast drawn the test.  Further, it's neither GG nor Gill's fault if our premiere pace bowler suddenly in the middle of a test match starts sucking balls endlessly by going wicketless in the entire 2nd inning.  Test cricket is not a one inning wonder. Bumrah was garbage in the entire home test series vs NZ where we got whitewashed.   Mornie Morkel's role should be questioned.  Every pacer has regressed under his tenure.  

Edited June 24 by Frustrated

[putrevus]

Even in wildest dream this guy Gambhir   will not achieve what Shastri achieved as coach . Shastri lifted Indian team after 36 all out and all injuries to win series in Australia.

 

He and Kohli gave an identity to the Indian team who were reeling after Dhoni royally screwed it by leaving in the middle of a series.

 

If our ace bowler showed up in ICC test finals /knockouts Shastri would have won ICC hardware too.

 

 

Edited June 24 by putrevus

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I think it's the Fielding & Bowling which cost us this match. (Bowling & Fielding coach should be held accountable).   Even if 3 out of those 6 dropped catches were held onto, we could hv atleast drawn the test.  Further, it's neither GG or Gill's fault if our premiere pace bowler suddenly in the middle of a test match starts sucking balls endlessly by going wicketless in the entire 2nd inning.  Test cricket is not a one inning wonder. Bumrah was garbage in the entire home test series vs NZ where we got whitewashed.   Mornie Morkel's role should be questioned.  Every pacer has regressed under his tenure.  

 

if you select Prasidh and Thakur, its on you if they suck. Everyone expected it. Nair ahead of Sundar,Jurel is another blunder

 

Bumrah did very well in 1st innings. One bowler cant be expected to do everything on a flat deck. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I think it's the Fielding & Bowling which cost us this match. (Bowling & Fielding coach should be held accountable).   Even if 3 out of those 6 dropped catches were held onto, we could hv atleast drawn the test.  Further, it's neither GG or Gill's fault if our premiere pace bowler suddenly in the middle of a test match starts sucking balls endlessly by going wicketless in the entire 2nd inning.  Test cricket is not a one inning wonder. Bumrah was garbage in the entire home test series vs NZ where we got whitewashed.   Mornie Morkel's role should be questioned.  Every pacer has regressed under his tenure.  

Gambhir has to be blamed for screwing Sarfraz and getting guys like Nair into the team over him.Noway Sarfraz is worse than this bozo.He wanted Morkel as his bowling coach so if morkel is useless it is his fault.

[iluv80085]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This guy got swept in India by NZ.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/gautam-gambhir-defied-rahul-dravids-pitch-theory-went-against-majority-of-indias-leadership-group-before-nz-tests-101730711199337.html

 

Sometimes I wish we had played on normal pitches. Maybe we would’ve lost the series then.

 

[The Realist]

Gambhir press conference 

 

Mohammed Siraj, India's second most senior seamer, took 2-173 across both innings, Prasidh Krishna's five wickets cost 6.3 runs per over and Shardul Thakur, who was picked to add batting depth at number eight but was out for one and four, returned figures of 2-89 in 16 overs.

Gambhir defended his pace bowlers, however, and pointed to Krishna's dismissals of Zak Crawley and Ollie Pope and Thakur's wickets - Ben Duckett caught at cover and Harry Brook strangled down the leg side.

 

"Prasidh bowled really well and got us crucial wickets," said Gambhir. "We picked him because we thought he had something different, he had that bounce and in the first innings he used that bounce really well.

 

"Shardul was used a little less. We thought Ravindra Jadeja would bring us control.

"I am not going to sit here and say they didn't bowl well.

"Shardul got us two wickets that got us back in the game. We have just got to be more consistent. That is what is more important. These boys will learn."

[The Realist]

Gautam Gambhir’s coaching records in Tests

Gambhir’s record as a Test coach has been underwhelming, with India suffering a clean sweep in their home series against New Zealand. Lost 3 matches in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy and now the opening match of the England Test tour.

Matches	Won	Lost	Draw	Win%
11	3	7	1	27.27

[BacktoCricaddict]

56 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Gambhir press conference 

 

Mohammed Siraj, India's second most senior seamer, took 2-173 across both innings, Prasidh Krishna's five wickets cost 6.3 runs per over and Shardul Thakur, who was picked to add batting depth at number eight but was out for one and four, returned figures of 2-89 in 16 overs.

Gambhir defended his pace bowlers, however, and pointed to Krishna's dismissals of Zak Crawley and Ollie Pope and Thakur's wickets - Ben Duckett caught at cover and Harry Brook strangled down the leg side.

 

"Prasidh bowled really well and got us crucial wickets," said Gambhir. "We picked him because we thought he had something different, he had that bounce and in the first innings he used that bounce really well.

 

"Shardul was used a little less. We thought Ravindra Jadeja would bring us control.

"I am not going to sit here and say they didn't bowl well.

"Shardul got us two wickets that got us back in the game. We have just got to be more consistent. That is what is more important. These boys will learn."

 

Am glad he is standing up for his players in public. I would hate for a coach to berate players in a press conference. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

36 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Gautam Gambhir’s coaching records in Tests

Gambhir’s record as a Test coach has been underwhelming, with India suffering a clean sweep in their home series against New Zealand. Lost 3 matches in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy and now the opening match of the England Test tour.

Matches	Won	Lost	Draw	Win%
11	3	7	1	27.27

Abysmal. Time for a change. Another case of a high-profile player failing as a coach. Some people can play. Other people can coach. 

[Lord]

55 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Am glad he is standing up for his players in public. I would hate for a coach to berate players in a press conference. 

As long as he still drops them

[putrevus]

India has won just 1 test in last 9 tests.They have lost 7 tests. How many more losses are needed before they kick this useless idiot Gambhir out. 

 

He has transformed Indian test team back to the dark days of Dhoni.

 

 

[Frustrated]

7 hours ago, Lord said:

Bumrah did very well in 1st innings. One bowler cant be expected to do everything on a flat deck. 

It is unfair to expect Bumrah to pick 5 or more wickets in every inning.  But it is fair to expect him to pick min 1 wicket in 2nd inning. He failed at that. That's my point.  Besides, if you glance at Bumrah's performance in tests in last 6 months, it's terrible.  He went wicketless in the entire 3rd test vs NZ and almost wicketless in the entire series too.  Not to mention he single handedly cost us the WTC Final 2021 wherein Shami had gift wrapped the match in our favour already.  

Edited June 25 by Frustrated

[nevada]

9 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Abysmal. Time for a change. Another case of a high-profile player failing as a coach. Some people can play. Other people can coach. 

Not so fast! Bob Simpson was coach when Allan Border was captain of an inexperienced team. They lost quite a bit before shaping up to be a winning unit. Kicking out Gambhir will satisfy the anger pangs but the next coach won't do anything special right away either! I would let Gambhir finish out his remaining coaching term and take it from there. 

[goose]

gambhr doesn't pass the beer test. would you want to have a drink with him. a resounding no!

[Gollum]

Gambhir is already India's worst coach ever. 

[putrevus]

India head coach Gautam Gambhir has pointed out the lack of experience in the Indian pace attack barring Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj as the reason behind their modest returns in the five-wicket defeat to England in the first Test at Headingley

 

Indian bowling attack is vastly experienced over inexperienced England bowling attack.Thakur and Prasidh are not spring chickens. They are not going to get better , this is their limit.

 

It is batting where India has lot of inexperience and they did alright. Yes they could have scored more but they did enough for bowling attack to win the match.

[Number]

16 hours ago, putrevus said:

If they kept chopping and changing , who are those quality players who they left out???

The same players who clicked after Rohit became the captain.

 

Shreyas+KL did well after 2022.

 

Definite role and a little assurance is needed.

 

Kohli was not letting anyone settle there. Yuvraj, Rayudu, Shreyas, Rahane, Pant etc were tried & they were dropped after very few failures.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Number said:

The same players who clicked after Rohit became the captain.

 

Shreyas+KL did well after 2022.

 

Definite role and a little assurance is needed.

 

Kohli was not letting anyone settle there. Yuvraj, Rayudu, Shreyas, Rahane, Pant etc were tried & they were dropped after very few failures.

Where did they click? Really KL did well. He and Iyer were the reason why India lost finals in 2023 .

 

India was two man team Kohli or Rohit in 50 over tournaments. It did change in CT win either.

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Gambhir interview

 

 

"We will have to give them time," Gambhir said. "Earlier, we used to have four fast bowlers in the squad with an experience of more than 40 Tests. It doesn't make such a big impact in one-day or T20 matches, but when you go to Australia, England, or South Africa for Tests, experience matters.

 

"These are early days. If we start judging our bowlers after every Test, how will we develop a bowling attack? Outside Bumrah and [Mohammad] Siraj, we don't have that much experience, but they [the others] have quality, which is why they are in this dressing room. But we have got to keep backing them because it's not about one tour. It's about building a fast-bowler battery that can serve India for long time in Test cricket."

 

 

I am all for building pace unit for long term by giving opportunity. But if you are looking at long term you should be backing guys who are in their early 20s not late 20s. You can't build anything with that. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

4 hours ago, nevada said:

Not so fast! Bob Simpson was coach when Allan Border was captain of an inexperienced team. They lost quite a bit before shaping up to be a winning unit. Kicking out Gambhir will satisfy the anger pangs but the next coach won't do anything special right away either! I would let Gambhir finish out his remaining coaching term and take it from there. 

Good post. I don't totally agree with your premise though. That Ozzie team was like a B-team due to the Packer era. This Indian team has a mix of experienced (Bumrah, Jadeja, Thakur, Pant etc.) and some new players, so it's not the same.

 

GG has also failed with experienced, losing to NZ in a series sweep at home (!!) and  and now with a new team. 

 

That said, it would not be a great move to fire a coach mid-series (that was my anger pangs), but he should be on a very short leash.