SOS: Help BD Hindus!

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

There is usually an excuse to not fight (as I already mentioned - excuses is something India specializes in).
 

You have to stand up for the people (esp. if you claim to have a 56” chest and not waist, while portraying yourself to be a party that cares for Hindus including in the subcon).

Facts are not excuse. Its Fact. Dont Blame Yunus. Blame Biden and CIA and USAID.

The forces which wanted India Pakistan to be at loggerheads (I will say created Pakistan to fight  Russians) have got a new enemy China. Bangladesh is new ally. It will be to people of Bangladesh to come out of this.

 

But I think their own hands are tied as well. What more proof  you need that Shekh Hasina was forced to flee. And you want US+West to speak against Yunus. They dont. They are masters, Yunus is just a puppet.

[zen]

12 minutes ago, mishra said:

Facts are not excuse. Its Fact. Dont Blame Yunus. Blame Biden and CIA and USAID.

The forces which wanted India Pakistan to be at loggerheads (I will say created Pakistan to fight  Russians) have got a new enemy China. Bangladesh is new ally. It will be to people of Bangladesh to come out of this.

 

But I think their own hands are tied as well. What more proof  you need that Shekh Hasina was forced to flee. And you want US+West to speak against Yunus. They dont. They are masters, Yunus is just a puppet.

That kind of thinking is one of the reasons why India is seen as lacking even regional leadership. 
 

Leaders do the right thing. They overcome hurdles (not drop their weapons based on the size of a hurdle). They look to influence opinion. They look to make the world a better place.

 

Even in the past, India has had Pakistan as a/the most favored nation, where politicians have hid behind Pak being an economic partner where India could not disturb trade with it.

 

The primary concern is the Hindus (and other such minorities) in BD. And the need to do whatever is needed to safeguard them.
 

Edited December 3, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

That kind of thinking is one of the reasons why India is seen as lacking even regional leadership. 
 

Leaders do the right thing. They overcome hurdles (not drop their weapons based on the size of a hurdle). They look to influence opinion. They look to make the world a better place.

 

Even in the past, India has had Pakistan as a/the most favored nation, where politicians have hid behind Pak being an economic partner where India could not disturb trade with it.

 

The primary concern is the Hindus (and other such minorities) in BD. And the need to do whatever is needed to safeguard them.
 

See, US is King. US has put Yunus. Now we have two option. React and treat Bangldesh like the way we reacted and treated Pakistan since 1947. Alternatively, we have better relations with US now and make use of that. Convince them that its not in interest of anyone (including US) to have another nuclear nation in the region. After all, that where its heading to

[zen]

Just now, mishra said:

See, US is King. US has put Yunus. Now we have two option. React and treat Bangldesh like the way we reacted and treated Pakistan since 1947. Alternatively, we have better relations with US now and make use of that. Convince them that its not in interest of anyone (including US) to have another nuclear nation in the region. After all, that where its heading to

Our region and its people > whatever US thinks

 

If US does not agree, put it in a position where if it has decide b/w India and BD (at least we know where India “actually” stands).
 

In the subcon, we have to stand for our people. No one else is going to care as much!

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Our region and its people > whatever US thinks

 

If US does not agree, put it in a position where if it has decide b/w India and BD (at least we know where India “actually” stands).
 

In the subcon, we have to stand for our people. No one else is going to care as much!

You dont go and fight a lion barehand because people say you got 56 inch chest.

 

Diplomacy is an art. I think what you want may be achieved via Trump. That gives us 4 more year to develop India. So just like you, I am angry at situation but waiting for what stance Trump admin takes before positing my view

[zen]

23 minutes ago, mishra said:

You dont go and fight a lion barehand because people say you got 56 inch chest.

 

Diplomacy is an art. I think what you want may be achieved via Trump. That gives us 4 more year to develop India. So just like you, I am angry at situation but waiting for what stance Trump admin takes before positing my view

I don’t think it is US v India - it is an excuse like many others in the past. Any situation with the US can be handled. As I said, our people > the US.
 

One cannot wait for x or y to happen in the US. In our region, esp. as the major regional power, India has to take the initiative. 
 

If India under BJP unable to protect Hindus in BD who are going through their worst period, he should resign. It is tiring to see theatrics and false facade, when the eventual result is inaction, cowardly policies, etc. 

 

As Ajit said in one of the films - “badi badi bataan karna toh hamain bhi atti hai”.

 

[mishra]

24 minutes ago, zen said:

I don’t think it is US v India - it is an excuse like many others in the past. Any situation with the US can be handled. As I said, our people > the US.
 

One cannot wait for x or y to happen in the US. In our region, esp. as the major regional power, India has to take the initiative. 
 

If India under BJP unable to protect Hindus in BD who are going through their worst period, he should resign. It is tiring to see theatrics and false facade, when the eventual result is inaction, cowardly policies, etc. 

 

As Ajit said in one of the films - “badi badi bataan karna toh hamain bhi atti hai”.

 

Who said its India vs US. Its China Vs US. Hindus of Bangldesh are just innocents loosing life in great Power game

[zen]

3 minutes ago, mishra said:

Who said its India vs US. Its China Vs US. Hindus of Bangldesh are just innocents loosing life in great Power game

I commented on your comment that “US put Younis”, but it does not matter what “v” it is as India’s primary concern is to safeguard the minorities irrespective of who is conducting what proxy. 
 

 

[mishra]

28 minutes ago, zen said:

I commented on your comment that “US put Younis”, but it does not matter what “v” it is as India’s primary concern is to safeguard the minorities irrespective of who is conducting what proxy. 
 

 

And you have no suggestion other than Going for War and derail development of India for next 2 decades.

[zen]

34 minutes ago, mishra said:

And you have no suggestion other than Going for War and derail development of India for next 2 decades.

India has been hiding behind the “development” excuse for a long time. I even gave the example of Pakistan as MFN. 
 

There are multiple steps advised (but since Modiji is more about chest thumping, there is always an excuse for inaction for each step. Maybe confused his waist size with chest’s). 
 

RSS, Mamta, etc., have all requested swift action: 
 

* No safe passage (to those interested) was offered. On the contrary, the borders were closed.

* No push to gain global support to protect Hindus when Modiji travels all over to offer bear hugs.

* No option to consider a military action, making Islamic extremist feel comfortable in BD. 
 

One has to do what needs to done to protect the community. GOI has so far failed. 

[mishra]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

There are multiple steps advised
 

RSS, Mamta, etc., have all requested swift action: 
 

* No safe passage (to those interested) was offered. On the contrary, the borders were closed.

 

After every rioting in neigbouring state, India should open its border and not make local government accountable. Bangladesh is still not under a Taliban Style Government.

 

Anyone who opposed CAA or NRC has no legs to speak for persecuted Hindus in neighbouring countries.

 

10 minutes ago, zen said:

There are multiple steps advised (but since Modiji is more about chest thumping, there is always an excuse for inaction for each step. Maybe confused his waist size with chest’s).

* No push to gain global support to protect Hindus when Modiji travels all over to offer bear hugs.

 

You keep parroting same line despite being acknowledging Yunus is puppet to US. ie he is doing what US wants. No one other than US matters in this case.

 

10 minutes ago, zen said:

There are multiple steps advised
* No option to consider a military action, making Islamic extremist feel comfortable in BD. 

 

This is last resort. Since you have run out of ideas i will tell you what I can guess from current status.

 

 

Jamaat has just visited to China. It means their leadership is not fully on same page as that of Biden/Yunus. If Yunus/US applies too much pressure Jammat will bring anarchy on Streets. My solution will be to bring dictatorship ie army takes over

[mishra]

Finally, all your arguements are around local politics when issue is down to Geo politics. I feel sad that you choose to use such a serious issue for purpose of trolling. May be , if you were more genuine, You could have done reaseach and figured out paths to solve the issue and what exactly is happening. But instead, you are just making 56 inch stuff. No wonder , people arent finding this thread intellectually arousing and keeping away from being trolled. I am out of this thread.

[kepler37b]

40 minutes ago, zen said:

India has been hiding behind the “development” excuse for a long time. I even gave the example of Pakistan as MFN. 
 

There are multiple steps advised (but since Modiji is more about chest thumping, there is always an excuse for inaction for each step. Maybe confused his waist size with chest’s). 
 

RSS, Mamta, etc., have all requested swift action: 
 

* No safe passage (to those interested) was offered. On the contrary, the borders were closed.

* No push to gain global support to protect Hindus when Modiji travels all over to offer bear hugs.

* No option to consider a military action, making Islamic extremist feel comfortable in BD. 
 

One has to do what needs to done to protect the community. GOI has so far failed. 

The issue is with the general indian population.

 

Will Modiji become popular by acting on BD? Excuse me for sounding like a pessimist,but general hindu pop does not really care anything beyond the family interest.

 

Yadhaa praja, thadhaa raaja.

[zen]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

After every rioting in neigbouring state, India should open its border and not make local government accountable. Bangladesh is still not under a Taliban Style Government.

 

Anyone who opposed CAA or NRC has no legs to speak for persecuted Hindus in neighbouring countries.

 

 

You keep parroting same line despite being acknowledging Yunus is puppet to US. ie he is doing what US wants. No one other than US matters in this case.

 

This is last resort. Since you have run out of ideas i will tell you what I can guess from current status.

 

 

Jamaat has just visited to China. It means their leadership is not fully on same page as that of Biden/Yunus. If Yunus/US applies too much pressure Jammat will bring anarchy on Streets. My solution will be to bring dictatorship ie army takes over

The current situation in BD is rare. India cannot continue to hide behind excuses! What matters is what India does for the people and not focus on what others think. We need to do whatever needs to be done to safeguard the minorities despite the “hurdles” (that is what leadership, at least regional, is about).

 

The issue in India is that many people just want to continue their lives as normal, make big claims on social media (the standards have fallen to such a level that a tweet is seen as some action taken) but tuck the tail and hide when the situation to make a difference arises. This has been happening far too often. 

 

When Palestinians get killed, the Muslim world steps up (some even fought wars for Palestine); when Israel fights, the Jewish lobby in the US makes the US help Israel; when something happens to Hindus esp. in subcon, India hides behind excuses while feeling “jealous” that no one rates Hindus and India (who would rate such a bunch of people who are more interested in theatrics and “whataboutism” on social media, behaving like the US but not having any sort of self respect to even stand up for their community in their backyard).

 

Many of these folks, always look to stand with the “majority” and/or the “powerful”, so it is Hindus in India and Muslims in BD, Israel-US alliance in the ME. 
 

This is not about BJP or Congress or whatever, but “genuinely” standing up for people no matter what (such an attitude tends to play a role in shaping great nations).

Edited December 3, 2024 by zen

[zen]

2 hours ago, kepler37b said:

The issue is with the general indian population.

 

Will Modiji become popular by acting on BD? Excuse me for sounding like a pessimist,but general hindu pop does not really care anything beyond the family interest.

 

Yadhaa praja, thadhaa raaja.

Exactly! Many (if not most) Hindus are all about theatrics and cheat thumping on social media. When the hour of need arises, they tuck their tail and run away, offering one excuse after another (therefore how can the leadership be any different). 
 

The 56” chest is only in the comfort of the majority Hindus in India, otherwise it becomes a 56” waist (with tons of excuses residing in the tummy). 
 

To appear strong (and winning), many side with the majority and/or the powerful. They do not necessarily care for the human life. So if Israel kills Palestinians, they clap (Muslims are being killed), when Hindus get killed in BD, they turn their faces as now the Hindus have become “foreigners”. In India too, a Hindu is a Hindu when the going is smooth. When the going gets tough, he becomes someone from state X or caste Y.

 

Then some people become jealous of others’ success, wondering why Hindu lives are not important. 
 

A Hindu is jealous of the US because India cannot be like the US, while wagging his tail to the power of the US. He is jealous of the relative unity in the Muslim world but does zilch to stand by his own community. If so, why the theatrics, chest thumping, and so on. What gives us the right to be bitter and jealous when we ourselves keep running away at the hour of need.

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by zen

[zen]

@Lone Wolf Buddy, what is this news about entry to India denied to 63 BD Iskcon monks?

 

PS

 

 

This is what happens when the GOI (including the consulate) does not operate effectively and proactively to even provide a safe passage to those who want it.

 

Inaction, not acting in a timely manner, personal and other priorities of the leaders, inefficiency, callousness, etc, usually eventually result in people suffering. 

I have been writing since a long time on the need to proactively and urgently work with BD on creating a safe passage to those who need it (but many were stopped at the border by BSF).

Edited December 3, 2024 by zen

[zen]

6 hours ago, mishra said:

Finally, all your arguements are around local politics when issue is down to Geo politics. I feel sad that you choose to use such a serious issue for purpose of trolling. May be , if you were more genuine, You could have done reaseach and figured out paths to solve the issue and what exactly is happening. But instead, you are just making 56 inch stuff. No wonder , people arent finding this thread intellectually arousing and keeping away from being trolled. I am out of this thread.

 

Buddy, I understand that you are a BJP supporter but don’t know why you have to support it so much. This appears like blind worshipping. It is just a political party, which comes up with foolish “taglines”. 
 

BJP, Modiji, etc., are not above criticism. Many folks criticize “Pappu”, Kejri, Mamta, etc., along with former PMs. 
 

Here in Gujarat, BJP (much like Congress in the past) has taken power for granted and is involved in all types of corruption. It thinks it is invincible and can probably get away with anything, potentially putting the country on dangerous grounds. 
 

The political standards have reduced so much that speeches and tweets are advanced as meaningful “action”. 

 

People are angry at GOI’s policy on BD (and aware of all the excuses these politicians like to hide behind). We want meaningful proactive action in a timely manner irrespective of whatever “hurdles”.

Edited December 3, 2024 by zen

[zen]

In far away UK:

 

 

[zen]

A petition had to be sent to the PM to take “meaningful action” (this Govt appears to equate speeches, tweets, protects, etc., as meaningful action  )

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

On 12/3/2024 at 8:53 PM, zen said:

@Lone Wolf Buddy, what is this news about entry to India denied to 63 BD Iskcon monks?

 

PS

 

 

This is what happens when the GOI (including the consulate) does not operate effectively and proactively to even provide a safe passage to those who want it.

 

Inaction, not acting in a timely manner, personal and other priorities of the leaders, inefficiency, callousness, etc, usually eventually result in people suffering. 

I have been writing since a long time on the need to proactively and urgently work with BD on creating a safe passage to those who need it (but many were stopped at the border by BSF).

This entire sarkar is a slap on the face of any self respecting Indian and those who voted for this sh*t