IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Posted November 7 On 11/5/2025 at 11:43 PM, kepler37b said: Americans have lost the apetite to wage a trade war with China. They have become too soft. I think they went wiith the wrong stratergy, American stratergy when they go to war with any one is to have the developed whole world & at least some of the major developing world on their side or nuetral. Trump foolishly abandoned what has worked for them & went US vs whole world. He broke the american consumer, he broke US's biggest weapon.
singhvivek141 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 36 minutes ago, G_B_ said: I dont see how russia impacted? Russia is the "defacto" target of US. Their entire doctrine is around containing Russia.
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Posted November 7 if this happens it is going to be extremly funny. MAGA steals most of his ideas, end birth right citizenship, Govt. efficiency etc. then kicks him out of the govt. Now looking like a tight finish because trump is screwing up at the top + grypoers won't vote for an Indian hindu! Lone Wolf 1
Lone Wolf Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: if this happens it is going to be extremly funny. MAGA steals most of his ideas, end birth right citizenship, Govt. efficiency etc. then kicks him out of the govt. Now looking like a tight finish because trump is screwing up at the top + grypoers won't vote for an Indian hindu! They will ask Vivek to step down to avoid losing a GoP stronghold early next year... A white face of their choosing will be propped up. Edited November 7 by Lone Wolf
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: They will ask Vivek to step down to avoid losing a GoP stronghold early next year... A white face of their choosing will be propped up. Vivek for all his smartness picked the wrong side, he should have waited out the biden era & ran as a democrat. from the left of center, he might even be looking at a ptresidential run like Obama considering where Trump is heading. But I guess he was constrained by being in red ohio. Lone Wolf 1
Lone Wolf Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: Vivek for all his smartness picked the wrong side, he should have waited out the biden era & ran as a democrat. from the left of center, he might even be looking at a ptresidential run like Obama considering where Trump is heading. But I guess he was constrained by being in red ohio. Either he will leave politics or wait for complete demolition of current GoP and there is still a chance he will become a democrat in future in the name of progressive politics. He has kept that window open, a final hail mary option. Edited November 7 by Lone Wolf
G_B_ Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: Russia is the "defacto" target of US. Their entire doctrine is around containing Russia. dont know... USA would like Russia on their side v China. Its clear China is the only power to rival USA.
G_B_ Posted November 7 Posted November 7 37 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Either he will leave politics or wait for complete demolition of current GoP and there is still a chance he will become a democrat in future in the name of progressive politics. He has kept that window open, a final hail mary option. Ohio has been Republican at state level, barring 2007 to 2011 from 1991. Personally, i do think Vivek will lose Ohio if he is on the ticket. But he would simply not be given a shot with the dems. Nicky Haley and Bobby Jindal are Christians (converted from Sikhism and Hinduism) but Kash and Tulsi are Hindus are got some prime positions in recent times. Obviously, the republican base did not vote for them. I dont remember a single highly prominent Hindu who has served the Democratic president or even got ticket to run for governor. People ask why Indian Americans or rather Hindu Americans, gave MAGA a shot. Its cause they were the 4th pick behind Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and Jews in the Democratic setup. Blunt truth is, you can at max be a congressman with the dems as a Hindu American. Despite the MAGA fringes, you actually have a shot with the Republicans. This remains the truth. Vivek chose the right path.
G_B_ Posted November 7 Posted November 7 This is the executive branch of California which has the highest population of Indian/Hindu Americans. I dont see any Indians even here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_executive_branch
IndianRenegade Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, G_B_ said: Ohio has been Republican at state level, barring 2007 to 2011 from 1991. Personally, i do think Vivek will lose Ohio if he is on the ticket. But he would simply not be given a shot with the dems. Nicky Haley and Bobby Jindal are Christians (converted from Sikhism and Hinduism) but Kash and Tulsi are Hindus are got some prime positions in recent times. Obviously, the republican base did not vote for them. I dont remember a single highly prominent Hindu who has served the Democratic president or even got ticket to run for governor. People ask why Indian Americans or rather Hindu Americans, gave MAGA a shot. Its cause they were the 4th pick behind Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and Jews in the Democratic setup. Blunt truth is, you can at max be a congressman with the dems as a Hindu American. Despite the MAGA fringes, you actually have a shot with the Republicans. This remains the truth. Vivek chose the right path. cherry picking data to fit a narrative. The criteria of your 1st paragraph is prominent hindu at high positions, then you use Nicky & Bobby, both non hindus. They are also fom an era of republican party (bush era) which was much friendly towards immigrants. If you are looking at Indian Amricans christians then its funny you ignored Kamla who ran at the top of ticket & got 3rd highest vote for a POTUS candidate. Tulsi & Kash are in non elected positions. The only reason Tulsi & kash, especially Kash got those positions is because they are Trump loyalists at his lowest point. Trump is a cult leader, not an idelogy based leader the direction Republicans seem to be moving towards, he can chose who he wants. Also, Tulsi was elected Vice DNC chair & ran an unsucessful primary campaign, she lost favor for her pro-putin & assad stances which was pretty unpopular in Dem mainstream. Vivek is the only Hindu from either parties who running for leadership position at the top of ticket, & he is getting vicisiously attacked by his own base for his race & religion. I am pretty sure if Vivek was a Dem he isn't getting attacked by his own base for his race & religion. While I agree there might be probelm for Hindus in the Dem side too in the progressive wing with the only Hindu prominent there is Ro Khana. The reality is, Hindus shouldn't expect a top of the ticket wins on either side. Those will be exceptions even if it happens, Hindus are 1% of the population slightly less than even muslims. An Hindu at the top of ticket is already statistically hard, add the racial aspect of Indians & pagan nature of hindu religion it just makes it harder. What Hindus should expect is a wider representation, when that happens naturally there could be more voices for Hindu concerns. It also statistically becomes possible for someone to go higher from there. Currently, Vivek can't even call out the hindu hate by name, he has to go for coded language like "Reject Identity Politics". What is the point of a Hindu governer when he can't call out such explicit hindu hate? In this regard Dems mog GOP, here is the list of propminent hindus to have held or holding positions of power in both parties. Dems hindus outnumber republicans 5-1. https://hinduvishwa.org/beyond-identity-hindu-representation-in-the-u-s-government/ The current GOP base is exlicity anti hindu, there will not be single chair of dem party with his pposition if he tweeted like this. Indians went Republican because of Inflation, Biden's idiocy with almost open border, him being genreally absent. Plus Modis bonhomie with Trump influenced some Hindus, but now that they voted for the current GOP they seem to have regretted the vote like touching an hot fire. Realationship with India in tatters, was abandoned for pakistan when needed, Indian hate at all time high (based on grok they are second racially abused group after blacks) mostly from groyper crowd. I hate to say it, I might have not predicted things will be this bad for Indians on Jan 2025, but I said they will come for Indians when Trump & GOP seemed much pro India & other here in the very forum said I was just fear mongering.v Lo & behold they came for Indians & India. I am not sure how things will get better, as the economy gets worse some 750k Indians on visas will hatted, that hate will come for all Indians. Edited November 7 by IndianRenegade Lone Wolf 1
G_B_ Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said: cherry picking data to fit a narrative. The criteria of your 1st paragraph is prominent hindu at high positions, then you use Nicky & Bobby, both non hindus. They are also fom an era of republican party (bush era) which was much friendly towards immigrants. If you are looking at Indian Amricans christians then its funny you ignored Kamla who ran at the top of ticket & got 3rd highest vote for a POTUS candidate. Tulsi & Kash are in non elected positions. The only reason Tulsi & kash, especially Kash got those positions is because they are Trump loyalists at his lowest point. Trump is a cult leader, not an idelogy based leader the direction Republicans seem to be moving towards, he can chose who he wants. Also, Tulsi was elected Vice DNC chair & ran an unsucessful primary campaign, she lost favor for her pro-putin & assad stances which was pretty unpopular in Dem mainstream. Vivek is the only Hindu from either parties who running for leadership position at the top of ticket, & he is getting vicisiously attacked by his own base for his race & religion. I am pretty sure if Vivek was a Dem he isn't getting attacked by his own base for his race & religion. While I agree there might be probelm for Hindus in the Dem side too in the progressive wing with the only Hindu prominent there is Ro Khana. The reality is, Hindus shouldn't expect a top of the ticket wins on either side. Those will be exceptions even if it happens, Hindus are 1% of the population slightly less than even muslims. An Hindu at the top of ticket is already statistically hard, add the racial aspect of Indians & pagan nature of hindu religion it just makes it harder. What Hindus should expect is a wider representation, when that happens naturally there could be more voices for Hindu concerns. It also statistically becomes possible for someone to go higher from there. Currently, Vivek can't even call out the hindu hate by name, he has to go for coded language like "Reject Identity Politics". What is the point of a Hindu governer when he can't call out such explicit hindu hate? In this regard Dems mog GOP, here is the list of propminent hindus to have held or holding positions of power in both parties. Dems hindus outnumber republicans 5-1. https://hinduvishwa.org/beyond-identity-hindu-representation-in-the-u-s-government/ The current GOP base is exlicity anti hindu, there will not be single chair of dem party with his pposition if he tweeted like this. Indians went Republican because of Inflation, Biden's idiocy with almost open border, him being genreally absent. Plus Modis bonhomie with Trump influenced some Hindus, but now that they voted for the current GOP they seem to have regretted the vote like touching an hot fire. Realationship with India in tatters, was abandoned for pakistan when needed, Indian hate at all time high (based on grok they are second racially abused group after blacks) mostly from groyper crowd. I hate to say it, I might have not predicted things will be this bad for Indians on Jan 2025, but I said they will come for Indians when Trump & GOP seemed much pro India & other here in the very forum said I was just fear mongering.v Lo & behold they came for Indians & India. I am not sure how things will get better, as the economy gets worse some 750k Indians on visas will hatted, that hate will come for all Indians. If you reread my post i have explicilty mentioned that jindal and haley are christians. And that Kash and Tulsi are not elected. How is thar cherry picking anything? The fact remains. Dems have not had even non elected hindus in administration in any position of power. If Vivek gets the republican nomination and loses that is more than the dems ever offered hindus. You quoting some racist person does not change this fact. Likes of ro khanna will never be anything than a congressman.
G_B_ Posted November 8 Posted November 8 And speaking from a uk pov. The "right" or conservatives have given hindus a home minister (preeti patel) a chancellor (sunak) and a prime minister (sunak). In non hindu indians suella baverman (buddhist) has been home minister. Left wing labour indians are behind black people and muslims. Same issues as dems in the usa.
IndianRenegade Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: If you reread my post i have explicilty mentioned that jindal and haley are christians. And that Kash and Tulsi are not elected. How is thar cherry picking anything? Because they don't fit your critera of "single highly prominent Hindu who has served the Democratic president or even got ticket to run for governor.", my reading of why you still chose to lead with them while prempting a counter was becausing subconsiously it makes it seem like there is data behind your better for Hindus claim as these are Indians in high places of power. 1 guy, vivek is not data. Its an exception, owing to the fact he ran his whole campaign to prop up trump. if you watched his campaign, debate performances it was very clear he wasn't running to be president in 2024. He was running for a job or favor when trump became president, as I said trump is not an idelogue he is a cult leader, he gives a few alms for being loyal to him. 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: The fact remains. Dems have not had even non elected hindus in administration in any position of power. What elected hindu has power in Trumps admin? None. Vivek got kicked out of govt. for saying what Elon kept saying in much wrose languange multiple times. No one who already had plans for Gov. is giving his name for DOGE & then going out in few days because he suddenly thought about running for Gov. 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: If Vivek gets the republican nomination and loses that is more than the dems ever offered hindus. exactly what have they offered hindus? Vivek? Vivek is now someone who can't even do what Dinesh, who until recently has only spoken about hindus & India in derision, is doing. Calling out the hate against Indians. if Dinesh is a defender of Indian americans, while Vivek needs to talk to code words, it is waste of power. 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: You quoting some racist person does not change this fact. That person isn't a racist, unless you can be a racist about yourself. He is the TexasGOP chair, & Indian American, when an Hindu group reached out to texas GOP to compalin about a primary candiate running a hate campain against Hanuman temple his reponse wasn't to condemn the hate, his reponse was as a "I agree with him that Christians need to be concerned about idols and false gods. There is only one God, and that is Jesus Christ Himself. The commandments are clear: you shall not have any other god, and you shall not worship idols." I don't know about you, I will take going to places your worship without being threatened over a namesake hindu governer nominee who can't speak a word about this. That GOP chair would have been kicked out of by dems the next day. 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: Likes of ro khanna will never be anything than a congressman. As I said a broad representative group which can call out hindu hate & have the votes that can effect change are far better than a namesake hindu at the top who can't be seen defending his hindu religion & post pictures of himself celebrating non hindu festivals while sending bland text messages for hindu ones because it will not go well with his xenophobic base. In this aspect Dems have provided Hindus 5 times the representation. Edited November 8 by IndianRenegade
IndianRenegade Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: And speaking from a uk pov. The "right" or conservatives have given hindus a home minister (preeti patel) a chancellor (sunak) and a prime minister (sunak). In non hindu indians suella baverman (buddhist) has been home minister. Left wing labour indians are behind black people and muslims. Same issues as dems in the usa. By UK standards both parties are liberal & immigrant fiendly in most aspects compared to US.
aflacl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Says 8 planes now News about him visiting India next year - Namsate Trump
IndianRenegade Posted November 8 Posted November 8 27 minutes ago, aflacl said: Says 8 planes now News about him visiting India next year - Namsate Trump next month it will be 9..
Lone Wolf Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 hours ago, G_B_ said: And speaking from a uk pov. The "right" or conservatives have given hindus a home minister (preeti patel) a chancellor (sunak) and a prime minister (sunak). In non hindu indians suella baverman (buddhist) has been home minister. Left wing labour indians are behind black people and muslims. Same issues as dems in the usa. UK and US have a lot of differences when it comes to immigration. UK is far more liberal in general...
IndianRenegade Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) This will end with pitchforks in the streets, a billionaire with golden spoon &, his vice president who was on SNAP when he was small, powered by a social media tycoon who just got trillions dollar pay package told hungry Americans who need SNAP to go pound sand. Edited November 8 by IndianRenegade
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