G_B_ Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 48 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Yeah I am backing her allright. Tulsi is more Hindu than the so called born Hindus like Ro khanna. More power to her. ravishingravi 1
G_B_ Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Did you say KSA? They can’t even pray for Balestine openly there A lot of people I have met from ksa view the palestine issue as a nuisance. They are more paranoid about Iran.
diga Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 5 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Tulsi is more Hindu than the so called born Hindus like Ro khanna. More power to her. Tulasi's mother converted to Hinduism, except that she doesnt have any other connection to India... G_B_ 1
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 11 minutes ago, G_B_ said: A simple question. Do you think the Palestine issue was enough to overturn a Trump victory? That played a major role. That was a sign of weak administration. Is there any other reason for which people protested? Most of the protesters were democrats and independents. As I told many dems here did not vote for her mainly on that issue. Ofcourse blue collar workers voted because of price increase. Once again it comes back to that war. They sent 25 billion to Israel when FEMA were not giving any assistance to the hurricane impacted. It impacted them both directly and indirectly.
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Tulsi was an anti war Democrat. Let us see how she can stop Israel with many pro Israelis in the administration. Otherwsie I couldn't care less if she follows Hinduism. Will she get two horns because of that?
coffee_rules Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 42 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: That played a major role. That was a sign of weak administration. Is there any other reason for which people protested? Most of the protesters were democrats and independents. As I told many dems here did not vote for her mainly on that issue. Ofcourse blue collar workers voted because of price increase. Once again it comes back to that war. They sent 25 billion to Israel when FEMA were not giving any assistance to the hurricane impacted. It impacted them both directly and indirectly. In fact it is the other way around. A lot of moderates (across both parties) voted against her for the administration’s pro-Hamas policies. They let the protests in colleges go on with American flags being burnt and replaced with Palestine flags. The thought was they will use the street protests to curb Israel against Hamas after elections. There was an opinion that BB was hurrying all the recent offensive to kill Hezbollah chief and Yahya Sinwar etc before elections in the event that Kamala wins and curbs all action. From the John Kerry days, Dems are seen as anti-Israel and Republicans are pro-Israel. Obama even talked down BB and lectured Israel on how to deal with Palestine as though he knows better about Palestine than those living next to them. G_B_ 1
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: In fact it is the other way around. A lot of moderates (across both parties) voted against her for the administration’s pro-Hamas policies. They let the protests in colleges go on with American flags being burnt and replaced with Palestine flags. The thought was they will use the street protests to curb Israel against Hamas after elections. There was an opinion that BB was hurrying all the recent offensive to kill Hezbollah chief and Yahya Sinwar etc before elections in the event that Kamala wins and curbs all action. From the John Kerry days, Dems are seen as anti-Israel and Republicans are pro-Israel. Obama even talked down BB and lectured Israel on how to deal with Palestine as though he knows better about Palestine than those living next to them. Not true. Majority of dems were anti war. They are still antiwar. Former Dem Tulsi is anti war as well. Jewish donors have been controlling the show with the help of Jewish media. In this day and age indoctrination doesn't work. People consume news from resources that are not agenda driven. Pakistanis cheering for Trump win was enough indication that how much democrats were badly hit by this enabling of thr war with billions and billions of aid to israel.
coffee_rules Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Tulsi was an anti war Democrat. Let us see how she can stop Israel with many pro Israelis in the administration. Otherwsie I couldn't care less if she follows Hinduism. Will she get two horns because of that? Bolo Hare Krishna , Krishna Krishna Hare Radhe , Hare Rama, Rama Rama Big Breaking Tulsi Gabbard will be the new Director Intelligence of USA. It's a cabinet level post and responsible for the internal security of USA. She will head all internal intelligence agencies of USA Tulsi is practicing Hindu. Her mother adopted Hinduism and raised her… pic.twitter.com/1X4ahyypfl — STAR Boy TARUN (@Starboy2079) November 14, 2024 Edited November 14, 2024 by coffee_rules
coffee_rules Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 22 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Not true. Majority of dems were anti war. They are still antiwar. Former Dem Tulsi is anti war as well. Jewish donors have been controlling the show with the help of Jewish media. In this day and age indoctrination doesn't work. People consume news from resources that are not agenda driven. Pakistanis cheering for Trump win was enough indication that how much democrats were badly hit by this enabling of thr war with billions and billions of aid to israel. Doesn’t make sense at all. This Muslims supporting Trump is some narrative that libs are running to justify Kamala loss. I know you will cite one falana MI Muslim mayor. How in the world did they think that Trump will side against Israel offensive and stop the war? He is one who talks tough against terrorists and in general hates Islam with travel ban etc., It makes as much sense as lJews voting for Hitler to stop killing them!! Edited November 14, 2024 by coffee_rules
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Doesn’t make sense at all. This Muslims supporting Trump is some narrative that libs are running to justify Kamala loss. I know you will cite one falana MI Muslim mayor. How in the world did they think that Trump will side against Israel offensive and stop the war? He is one who talks tough against terrorists and in general hates Islam with travel ban etc., It makes as much sense as lJews voting for Hitler to stop killing them!! No it was predicted well before elections. This is not a hindsight view. A guy who issued travel ban on Muslims in his first term got Muslim support, endorsement. The reason they supported trump was his targeted rhetoric. He merely exploited the situation to his advantage. Hey dems are not even talking about stopping the war. Atleast Trump is talking about it. Also kamal repeatedly expressed her sympathy for jews. May be husband being a Jewish was a reason. Combination of many things like this made them root for Trump. Funny thing is jews who are traditionally democrats also rooted for Trump secretly.
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 22 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Bolo Hare Krishna , Krishna Krishna Hare Radhe , Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hindu missionaries are not popular anymore as much as it was in the hippy era. Never associated myself with any cult.
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Our lives will remain the same. People will find out in 4 years whether they made the right choice. Especially the swing voters who had to choose between devil and deep sea
G_B_ Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: In fact it is the other way around. A lot of moderates (across both parties) voted against her for the administration’s pro-Hamas policies. They let the protests in colleges go on with American flags being burnt and replaced with Palestine flags. The thought was they will use the street protests to curb Israel against Hamas after elections. There was an opinion that BB was hurrying all the recent offensive to kill Hezbollah chief and Yahya Sinwar etc before elections in the event that Kamala wins and curbs all action. From the John Kerry days, Dems are seen as anti-Israel and Republicans are pro-Israel. Obama even talked down BB and lectured Israel on how to deal with Palestine as though he knows better about Palestine than those living next to them. My sentiments. People tired of these palestine losers. coffee_rules 1
G_B_ Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Hindu missionaries are not popular anymore as much as it was in the hippy era. Never associated myself with any cult. Arent you christian?
Texan Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Even many Indian political parties won't call this out so clearly. coffee_rules and jf1gp_1 2
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: In fact it is the other way around. A lot of moderates (across both parties) voted against her for the administration’s pro-Hamas policies. They let the protests in colleges go on with American flags being burnt and replaced with Palestine flags. The thought was they will use the street protests to curb Israel against Hamas after elections. There was an opinion that BB was hurrying all the recent offensive to kill Hezbollah chief and Yahya Sinwar etc before elections in the event that Kamala wins and curbs all action. From the John Kerry days, Dems are seen as anti-Israel and Republicans are pro-Israel. Obama even talked down BB and lectured Israel on how to deal with Palestine as though he knows better about Palestine than those living next to them. Ironically enough, it appears that Muslim voters in swing states either voted against her or did not show up to vote, as a protest against US support of Israel's war efforts. Trying to walk the tightrope between condemning Hamas/supporting IDF on one side and condemning Israel's ruthless response/recognizing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza on the other was not politically expedient. Both sides wanted Biden/Harris' unconditional backing - how is it possible? Edited November 14, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict
coffee_rules Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Texan said: Even many Indian political parties won't call this out so clearly. Old video, but still so much clarity. Edited November 14, 2024 by coffee_rules
coffee_rules Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Ironically enough, it appears that Muslim voters in swing states either voted against her or did not show up to vote, as a protest against US support of Israel's war efforts. Trying to walk the tightrope between condemning Hamas/supporting IDF on one side and condemning Israel's ruthless response/recognizing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza on the other was not politically expedient. Both sides wanted Biden/Harris' unconditional backing - how is it possible? Not convincing, but whatever it is , it is minuscule to overturn an election where economy, immigration and anti-incumbency were key issues that people voted on. Sems always come up with vague reasons for a loss other than the pick of their weak candidate
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Not convincing, Not offered as an excuse. I was just pointing out that the JB/KH tight-rope walking on the Gaza war ended up angering both sides.
vvvslaxman Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Not convincing, but whatever it is , it is minuscule to overturn an election where economy, immigration and anti-incumbency were key issues that people voted on. Sems always come up with vague reasons for a loss other than the pick of their weak candidate My wife has been talking about it for the last 6 months about these protests and how insensitive the government is. I gave them the benefit of doubt. It got wors. It is not muslim votes. It is black/white some Indian votes as well. My wife mainly voted for Jill stein because of that. We know Dems don't win here. But we did vote down ballot. Many democratic candidates have outperformed Kamala harris. For instance Rashida Tlaib did twice as well as Kamala harris in dearborn county. She was censured for her pro-palestine rhetoric. SHe is a palestinian. Obviously she is going to talk on behalf of them. But she was censured. People disagree with them. https://theintercept.com/2024/11/06/dearborn-michigan-rashida-tlaib-kamala-harris-gaza/ Same way AOC outperformed Kamala harris.Same way many candidates outperformed Kamala harris. If they were pissed off at Democrats downballot races would have gone the republican way as well. https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/383197/kamala-harris-results-underperformed-democratic-senate-candidates Here’s how the Senate candidates in key races performed compared to Harris. The counts aren’t yet finalized so the margins are subject to change, but this is how things looked as of early Wednesday afternoon. Nebraska: Independent Dan Osborn’s vote share is about 7 points higher than Harris, but he lost. Montana: Sen. Jon Tester’s vote share is also about 7 points higher than Harris. He also lost. Ohio: Sen. Sherrod Brown’s vote share is about 4 points higher than Harris. He lost. Arizona: Rep. Ruben Gallego’s vote share is about 4 points higher than Harris and he’s currently leading even though Harris seems on track to lose there. Texas: Rep. Colin Allred’s vote share is about 3 points higher than Harris, but he failed to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz. Nevada: Sen. Jacky Rosen’s vote share was about 2 points higher than Harris. Her race is too close to call. Wisconsin: Sen. Tammy Baldwin’s vote share was less than 1 point higher than Harris’s, but Baldwin defeated her challenger, Eric Hovde, while Harris lost the state. Michigan and Pennsylvania: Both Democratic Senate candidates in these states (Rep. Elissa Slotkin and incumbent Sen. Bob Casey) have vote shares about 1 point higher than Harris’s. Neither race has been called. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/election-harris-gaza-policy Not changing course on Gaza was a colossal mistake by Kamala Harris https://mondoweiss.net/2024/11/the-role-of-the-gaza-genocide-in-kamala-harriss-loss/ The role of the Gaza genocide in Kamala Harris’s loss The cause of Kamala Harris’ disastrous failure in the 2024 presidential election will forever be debated, but there are good reasons to believe the Israeli genocide in Gaza played a significant role. https://truthout.org/articles/palestine-was-a-top-concern-for-many-voters-harris-refused-to-listen-to-them/ Palestine Was a Top Concern for Many Voters. Harris Refused to Listen to Them.
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