ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2024 Author Posted November 15, 2024 Lol. This will be a hectic 4 years fot Americans.
coffee_rules Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 Old hag John Bolton out of the woodwork
coffee_rules Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: My wife has been talking about it for the last 6 months about these protests and how insensitive the government is. I gave them the benefit of doubt. It got wors. It is not muslim votes. It is black/white some Indian votes as well. My wife mainly voted for Jill stein because of that. We know Dems don't win here. But we did vote down ballot. Many democratic candidates have outperformed Kamala harris. For instance Rashida Tlaib did twice as well as Kamala harris in dearborn county. She was censured for her pro-palestine rhetoric. SHe is a palestinian. Obviously she is going to talk on behalf of them. But she was censured. People disagree with them. https://theintercept.com/2024/11/06/dearborn-michigan-rashida-tlaib-kamala-harris-gaza/ Same way AOC outperformed Kamala harris.Same way many candidates outperformed Kamala harris. If they were pissed off at Democrats downballot races would have gone the republican way as well. https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/383197/kamala-harris-results-underperformed-democratic-senate-candidates Here’s how the Senate candidates in key races performed compared to Harris. The counts aren’t yet finalized so the margins are subject to change, but this is how things looked as of early Wednesday afternoon. Nebraska: Independent Dan Osborn’s vote share is about 7 points higher than Harris, but he lost. Montana: Sen. Jon Tester’s vote share is also about 7 points higher than Harris. He also lost. Ohio: Sen. Sherrod Brown’s vote share is about 4 points higher than Harris. He lost. Arizona: Rep. Ruben Gallego’s vote share is about 4 points higher than Harris and he’s currently leading even though Harris seems on track to lose there. Texas: Rep. Colin Allred’s vote share is about 3 points higher than Harris, but he failed to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz. Nevada: Sen. Jacky Rosen’s vote share was about 2 points higher than Harris. Her race is too close to call. Wisconsin: Sen. Tammy Baldwin’s vote share was less than 1 point higher than Harris’s, but Baldwin defeated her challenger, Eric Hovde, while Harris lost the state. Michigan and Pennsylvania: Both Democratic Senate candidates in these states (Rep. Elissa Slotkin and incumbent Sen. Bob Casey) have vote shares about 1 point higher than Harris’s. Neither race has been called. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/election-harris-gaza-policy Not changing course on Gaza was a colossal mistake by Kamala Harris https://mondoweiss.net/2024/11/the-role-of-the-gaza-genocide-in-kamala-harriss-loss/ The role of the Gaza genocide in Kamala Harris’s loss The cause of Kamala Harris’ disastrous failure in the 2024 presidential election will forever be debated, but there are good reasons to believe the Israeli genocide in Gaza played a significant role. https://truthout.org/articles/palestine-was-a-top-concern-for-many-voters-harris-refused-to-listen-to-them/ Palestine Was a Top Concern for Many Voters. Harris Refused to Listen to Them. Presidential elections are different than Congressional ones as the issues are different. Presidents are voted in likability, how one can relate to and how genuine one is. From the beginning it was all fake for Kamala and nobody knew what she stood for as VP, decimated in primary debates , all we knew was hearsay. She was a word salad and a NPA in Biden admin. Suddenly she is the Prez Candidate and she bought her endorsements at a heavy price to project her political view in limited time. To say, she was out voted for being pro this or that seems stretched Edited November 15, 2024 by coffee_rules ravishingravi and G_B_ 1 1
ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2024 Author Posted November 15, 2024 I am glad they are involving Ron Paul. As someone of libertarian persuasions, Ron was an important figure.
G_B_ Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 Trump is taking the establishment head on... ravishingravi 1
ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2024 Author Posted November 15, 2024 Dems appropriating Cheney and Bolton. No wonder they look lost and booted out.
ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2024 Author Posted November 15, 2024 12 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Trump is taking the establishment head on... Is there a precedent for this ? I don't recall. Unchartered territory.
vvvslaxman Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Presidential elections are different than Congressional ones as the issues are different. Presidents are voted in likability, how one can relate to and how genuine one is. From the beginning it was all fake for Kamala and nobody knew what she stood for as VP, decimated in primary debates , all we knew was hearsay. She was a word salad and a NPA in Biden admin. Suddenly she is the Prez Candidate and she bought her endorsements at a heavy price to project her political view in limited time. To say, she was out voted for being pro this or that seems stretched SHe pro nothing. Thta was the problem. Lost both Jew votes. Muslim votes. In addition to that black votes, progressive white votes. Right or wrong you have to be explicit about your stance. They all have strategists. But candidat themselves should have some level of authenticity then the strategists can supplement that. But she seemed to totally rely on strategists. It was doomed to fail. Every candidate that won has some level authenticity except may be Bush who milked 9/11 to win 2nd term. But listening to him now after Trump era is like listening to Rhodes scholar lol coffee_rules 1
diga Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 3 hours ago, G_B_ said: Trump is taking the establishment head on... Wasnt that the whole point of project-2025 by Republicans?
G_B_ Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 3 hours ago, diga said: Wasnt that the whole point of project-2025 by Republicans? Yes and he is staying the course. Tarriffs are coming...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) It's one thing to take on the establishment. I get that. But every ideology has limits. Ideologues, otoh, have no limits https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/14/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/ He is a far left conspiracy theorist who found a voice with the far right camp after the pandemic. I will bet that all Trump supporters on this board and elsewhere that are applauding this appointment would have been ridiculing this guy (rightly so) if he was still a Democrat. As for me I have been ridiculing his evidence-free views regardless of his party affiliation. Hopefully someone like Dr. Vinay Prasad ( a sensible anti establishment doc) can knock some sense into him about evidence based medicine and such things. Edited November 15, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict coffee_rules and Vicks57 1 1
coffee_rules Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: It's one thing to take on the establishment. I get that. But every ideology has limits. Ideologues, otoh, have no limits https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/14/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/ He is a far left conspiracy theorist who found a voice with the far right camp after the pandemic. I will bet that all Trump supporters on this board and elsewhere that are applauding this appointment would have been ridiculing this guy (rightly so) if he was still a Democrat. As for me I have been ridiculing his evidence-free views regardless of his party affiliation. Hopefully someone like Dr. Vinay Prasad ( a sensible anti establishment doc) can knock some sense into him about evidence based medicine and such things. Agree, anti-establishment is all good, not in public health. Leave it to Drs and public health experts. Since the leftists and celebs started questioning in the 90s, everyone is an expert on health reading WebMD!! Remember this clip BacktoCricaddict 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 (edited) Dr. Vinay Prasad article. Very balanced and articulate. Written when rfk was still a Democrat. https://www.thefp.com/p/what-rfk-jr-gets-rightand-what-he Edited November 15, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict
ravishingravi Posted November 15, 2024 Author Posted November 15, 2024 https://open.substack.com/pub/graymirror/p/narrative-and-reality-in-trump-47?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Great write up.
coffee_rules Posted November 16, 2024 Posted November 16, 2024 US out of Wuhan Health Organization Vicks57 1
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