India will not travel to Pakistan for ICC Champions Trophy 2025

[Austin 3:!6]

9 minutes ago, jigjig said:

Those who don't understand. We play them in events because not playing can hurt our chances in the . event. If they forfeit their points we will not play them in events also 

 

We can request ICC and ACC to put us in differnt groups na? 

 

[jigjig]

Just now, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

We can request ICC and ACC to put us in differnt groups na? 

 

Surely. But you can still run into them in knockouts.

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

That is not the point though as everyone knows how they are. However, the selective nature of BCCI makes us look hypocrites.

 

Why do we even play them in ICC events and Asia cup? Not only we play them but intentionally put them in same group in every event.

 

Why do we host them in Modi stadium attended by 100k people including FM? Why our media goes absolutely crazy for that game and do all bhai chaara wala cross border shows etc?

 

Assuming all you saying is correct about Hindu ke beech me namaaz, Dushman mulk etc., it should us more reason to take principled stance and stop all cricket ties with them.

 

These picking and choosing makes us looks bad. Just go to twitter, entire world cricket fans & pundits blaming BCCI with bated breath.

Bcci or the govt has no problem playing pakistan in tournaments whether in India or neutral venues. People need to differentiate between these two things. Playing Pakistan and playing in Pakistan. These are two different things and should not be confused. Playing in Pakistan is a security concern for Indian players and even Indian players wouldn't want to put their lives at risk.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

But the blind team still needs permission from the government right? Just like BCCI is saying they are not going because government didnt give permission. 

Yes because even terrorists wouldn't care about blind cricket team. The 2009 SL attack was originally planned for Indian team. SL only toured when India refused to go after 26/11.

[Austin 3:!6]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bcci or the govt has no problem playing pakistan in tournaments whether in India or neutral venues. People need to differentiate between these two things. Playing Pakistan and playing in Pakistan. These are two different things and should not be confused. Playing in Pakistan is a security concern for Indian players and even Indian players wouldn't want to put their lives at risk.

 

Then why don't we play bilateral tours with them outside Pakistan?

 

Looks its bit more complicated than what you are making it sound. BCCIs official stance has always been terror and cricket can't go hand in hand and we can't disrespect our martyrs by playing cricket with them. However, we play them regularly in ICC & ACC events and only remember about martyrs during bilateral cricket.

 

If Indias only issue is playing in Pakistan, then we will be seeing regular cricket with them everywhere else. If I recall, PCB was willing to host Indian team in Dubai few years ago for a test series.  

Edited November 11 by Austin 3:!6

[First class]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Bcci or the govt has no problem playing pakistan in tournaments whether in India or neutral venues. People need to differentiate between these two things. Playing Pakistan and playing in Pakistan. These are two different things and should not be confused. Playing in Pakistan is a security concern for Indian players and even Indian players wouldn't want to put their lives at risk.

Ridiculous , no other team has security concern , just India ??  Take courage to be straight forward, its politics , plain and simple . India wants to hurt Pakistan at every level and I totally understand that, they have their own reason ,  just say it clearly . 

[lemsip]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Its up to ICC to pressure Pak gov to stop cross border terrorism

Makes zero sense. ICC is a sporting body not the UN. It has neither the standing nor the wherewithal to ask the government of any country including Pakistan and India to do anything beyond the narrow confines of sport.

The same goes for BCCI and PCB. Whether they would like to play for financial reasons, it is upto the governments to give their permission to travel. To travel to Pakistan or not is not BCCI's decision.

In any case I think rather than have this song and dance every few months, the ICC should just avoid hosting tournaments in Pakistan or India.

[Gollum]

One rule for blind cricketers, tennis players, martial artists, kabbadi players, another for  entitled cricketers. Typical, two-faced Indian policy. Have the guts to stop rigging draws in multi nation tourneys (can you remember the last time we weren't placed in same group?), where does deshbhakti go then? And be courageous and firm in your beliefs to give up points when drawn against them in WCs.....like Iranian and most of Arab athletes do when paired with Israeli opponents. 

[Gollum]

Should have protested the venue selection in ICC boardroom when it was announced. 

 

India should not be allowed to hold world cricket at ransom. Don't like something, get lost, make way for a Lanka or Afghanistan to take your spot. 

 

No other sporting team is allowed to make such ridiculous demands. Even in Olympics, FIFA events, some teams/players give walkover to Israeli athletes....

 

What stops India from giving up its spot here? People are ready to sacrifice Olympic medals to uphold their principles, but for Indians, love for our martyrs and soldiers is selective. 

[lemsip]

7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

What stops India from giving up its spot here?

I agree with that. India should just step aside and a different team can participate. The host can worry about financial success. If it is a principles based stand then this the way to do it. Muddying the waters with hybrid model etc is pointless. Just pull out

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I agree with that. India should just step aside and a different team can participate. The host can worry about financial success. If it is a principles based stand then this the way to do it. Muddying the waters with hybrid model etc is pointless. Just pull out

Right. Actually stand by our martyrs, their widows, jawans.....instead of duplicitous stances which are good only for posturing. 

 

Want to make a change? Ensure Pak is stripped off hosting rights in ICC/ACC events as long as they fund terror (eternity), work towards removing a terror state from ICC like how Russians have been excluded from IOC, FIDE, FIFA etc. At the very least, make Pak team play without official flag/anthem......Russia is an example before us. 

 

All the power in ICC and these guys can only be bothered by sound of cash register. 

Edited November 11 by Gollum

[Suhaan]

54 minutes ago, First class said:

Ridiculous , no other team has security concern , just India ??  Take courage to be straight forward, its politics , plain and simple . India wants to hurt Pakistan at every level and I totally understand that, they have their own reason ,  just say it clearly . 

Lol,bomb blasts all around and your are saying everything is fine

[Gollum]

Don't care about Pakistan, don't wish them well as long as their pro-terror policy is intact.

 

But other teams shouldn't face the brunt of our bilateral tussle. Not fair on SENA countries when all our venues/dates are pre-decided, where we can just rest at one venue, be familiarized with the conditions there, while other teams keep making trips from Lahore/Karachi/Pindi to Dubai, back and forth. Not fair from sporting principle, there should be fair competition.

 

Our protests should have come when hosting rights were allotted....couldn't they have (at bare minimum) pushed for hybrid model back then? Too little, too late now. Even if hybrid model is accepted and we win the trophy, will it be a fair result? Will you enjoy such a victory? Aus, NZ, RSA, Eng players/fans will have every reason to feel shafted, and they will be 100% right. 

Edited November 11 by Gollum

[Lone Wolf]

12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Don't care about Pakistan, don't wish them well as long as their pro-terror policy is intact.

 

But other teams shouldn't face the brunt of our bilateral tussle. Not fair on SENA countries when all our venues/dates are pre-decided, where we can just rest at one venue, be familiarized with the conditions there, while other teams keep making trips from Lahore/Karachi/Pindi to Dubai, back and forth. Not fair from sporting principle, there should be fair competition.

 

Our protests should have come when hosting rights were allotted....couldn't they have (at bare minimum) pushed for hybrid model back then? Too little, too late now. Even if hybrid model is accepted and we win the trophy, will it be a fair result? Will you enjoy such a victory? Aus, NZ, RSA, Eng players/fans will have every reason to feel shafted, and they will be 100% right. 

Tournament should be moved to South Africa or co hosted by Zim I feel those board needs more revenue & PCB and Pakistan must be ousted as they are unlikely to allow hybrid model this time as per reports & threatening to pull out.

 

Time to rope in Sri Lanka as eighth team which they fully deserve 

 

[Gollum]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Tournament should be moved to South Africa or co hosted by Zim I feel those board needs more revenue & PCB and Pakistan must be ousted as they are unlikely to allow hybrid model this time as per reports & threatening to pull out.

 

Time to rope in Sri Lanka as eighth team which they fully deserve 

 

That too is an option but my point is why so late? And why the unnecessary drama. 

 

On a sidenote, gora fans (esp English ones) prepare their vacation plans months/years in advance. Think from their pov if there is a last minute change in venue. 

 

PCB and their govt are right in protesting hybrid model, though in general I don't have any sympathy for them. They got their hosting rights couple of years ago I guess, have been planning the scheduling, renovation of stadiums keeping that in mind. This is a major inconvenience. Why did BCCI not protest this allocation in 2021 or '22? Why the lack of communication? Why one rule for our cricketers and other for tennis players and kabbadi players, heck even blind cricketers. All are Indians, no life is less or more valuable. Our hypocrisy should also be called out. 

[Gollum]

UAE is an unsuitable venue for India. Hope even if this unfair hybrid model goes ahead, we get humiliated in group stage and also get a worthy winner from SENA who will be at a disadvantage. 

 

Cherry on cake will be NZ humiliating us once again in our sole venue Dubai, 16 hours after a flight from Lahore, and knocking us out. 

 

Even as an Indian, our(BCCI) bullying is too much to endure. First we must be cricket/sports fans. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

That too is an option but my point is why so late? And why the unnecessary drama. 

 

On a sidenote, gora fans (esp English ones) prepare their vacation plans months/years in advance. Think from their pov if there is a last minute change in venue. 

 

PCB and their govt are right in protesting hybrid model, though in general I don't have any sympathy for them. They got their hosting rights couple of years ago I guess, have been planning the scheduling, renovation of stadiums keeping that in mind. This is a major inconvenience. Why did BCCI not protest this allocation in 2021 or '22? Why the lack of communication? Why one rule for our cricketers and other for tennis players and kabbadi players, heck even blind cricketers. All are Indians, no life is less or more valuable. Our hypocrisy should also be called out. 

It's not ideal but I think Goras might have waited for announcement of venues this time.

They did the same during Eng tour of Pak even though a smaller contingent of fans arrived than expected due to last minute announcement of schedule.

 

Compared to that around 10-12k Barmy army fans alone flocked to Dharamsala test early this year.

 

Cricket as a game has no imminent danger in subcontinent or Pakistan but ICC must use this opportunity to help boards like CSA and Zimbabwe.  SA will host 2027 WC co hosted by Zim and Namibia.

Two back to back ICC events will be massive for them.

Last major ICC events for them was 2007 T20WC which was a while back.

 

Not BCCI but Indian government is hypocrite to allow other sporting teams to travel to Pakistan.

 

I will fully support Pakistan's move (as per their Media) to boycott India in ICC events.

That's a noble as well as logical step on their part.

[Austin 3:!6]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

That too is an option but my point is why so late? And why the unnecessary drama. 

 

On a sidenote, gora fans (esp English ones) prepare their vacation plans months/years in advance. Think from their pov if there is a last minute change in venue. 

 

PCB and their govt are right in protesting hybrid model, though in general I don't have any sympathy for them. They got their hosting rights couple of years ago I guess, have been planning the scheduling, renovation of stadiums keeping that in mind. This is a major inconvenience. Why did BCCI not protest this allocation in 2021 or '22? Why the lack of communication? Why one rule for our cricketers and other for tennis players and kabbadi players, heck even blind cricketers. All are Indians, no life is less or more valuable. Our hypocrisy should also be called out. 

 

Some good questions you ask there

[Itsthedon]

4 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

We can request ICC and ACC to put us in differnt groups na? 

 

You think so? 

[jigjig]

2 hours ago, First class said:

Ridiculous , no other team has security concern , just India ??  Take courage to be straight forward, its politics , plain and simple . India wants to hurt Pakistan at every level and I totally understand that, they have their own reason ,  just say it clearly . 

No other country is Pakistan's enemy like we are. You were built on hate for Indians and continue the hate through terror attacks in India. 

Can you say that clearly? 

 

Edited November 11 by jigjig