Indian T20 team is unstoppable

[vvvslaxman]

On 8/25/2025 at 8:54 AM, Manucrick said:

Not anymore gill batting can hurt our t20 team 

When you have a batsman like GIll, BCCI expects him to stay at the crease for long period as he is their poster boy even it means him not showing intent.

[Suhaan]

On 8/28/2025 at 2:26 AM, vvvslaxman said:

When you have a batsman like GIll, BCCI expects him to stay at the crease for long period as he is their poster boy even it means him not showing intent.

People like Gavaskar still not retiring and making noise when someone bats with non text book style , BCCI is always influenced by stone age cricketers with orthodox mentality for unorthodox formats

[BCCISelector]

On 8/28/2025 at 2:26 AM, vvvslaxman said:

When you have a batsman like GIll, BCCI expects him to stay at the crease for long period as he is their poster boy even it means him not showing intent.

... and that is not necessarily a bad thing. RCB won the IPL with Kohli playing a similar role at a much lower strike rate.

 

Case in point: 2nd T20I, India vs England earlier this year in Chennai. India were chasing 166 and were going nicely around 60/2 in 5 overs, but later completely lost their way in the chase, collapsing like Bangladesh and Afghanistan often do in this format. It needed a monumental rescue act from Tilak (who played the kind of knocks that Gill and Kohli play), along with Sundar's cameo and a couple of boundaries from tailender Bishnoi to win that game. Most teams would chase that total without breaking a sweat by playing "normal" T20 cricket.

 

The only time Gill would hurt India is if he misreads the conditions in the 1st innings and we end up with 225 on a 250 flat track. But there's no guarantee that the same thing won't happen with Samson or Jaiswal in the team.

 

2025 IPL strike rates:

Gill 155.87

Samson 140.39

Jaiswal 159.71

 

[vvvslaxman]

34 minutes ago, BCCISelector said:

... and that is not necessarily a bad thing. RCB won the IPL with Kohli playing a similar role at a much lower strike rate.

 

Case in point: 2nd T20I, India vs England earlier this year in Chennai. India were chasing 166 and were going nicely around 60/2 in 5 overs, but later completely lost their way in the chase, collapsing like Bangladesh and Afghanistan often do in this format. It needed a monumental rescue act from Tilak (who played the kind of knocks that Gill and Kohli play), along with Sundar's cameo and a couple of boundaries from tailender Bishnoi to win that game. Most teams would chase that total without breaking a sweat by playing "normal" T20 cricket.

 

The only time Gill would hurt India is if he misreads the conditions in the 1st innings and we end up with 225 on a 250 flat track. But there's no guarantee that the same thing won't happen with Samson or Jaiswal in the team.

 

2025 IPL strike rates:

Gill 155.87

Samson 140.39

Jaiswal 159.71

 

Kohli playing like that was not a good thing. Our current team has phenomenal W/L ratio in the last year or so beacuse of their intent no matter what. India did better 95% of the time. With old style  it is not going to be the same.

[BCCISelector]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kohli playing like that was not a good thing. Our current team has phenomenal W/L ratio in the last year or so beacuse of their intent no matter what. India did better 95% of the time. With old style  it is not going to be the same.

 

I can live with that gung-ho approach while batting first even if we lose badly, because we need to maximize all batting resources and set up the game. But while chasing, there is absolutely no reason in trying to finish a 170 chase inside 14 overs. Sensible batting is needed in such middling run chases and that's where Gill will be very useful.

 

Another example is 3rd T20I, India vs England at Rajkot:

 

India were 48/2 in 5 overs in a chase of 171 before yet another Bangladesh-style collapse to lose the match by finishing 145/9. All they needed to do was bat normally at 8 rpo after that start, but no, every batter wants to risk the game and try smashing it at 14 rpo for no reason whatsoever.

 

The end goal should be ensuring the team wins, and not blind slogging to maintain high personal strike rates without caring about the match situation.

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, BCCISelector said:

 

I can live with that gung-ho approach while batting first even if we lose badly, because we need to maximize all batting resources and set up the game. But while chasing, there is absolutely no reason in trying to finish a 170 chase inside 14 overs. Sensible batting is needed in such middling run chases and that's where Gill will be very useful.

 

Another example is 3rd T20I, India vs England at Rajkot:

 

India were 48/2 in 5 overs in a chase of 171 before yet another Bangladesh-style collapse to lose the match by finishing 145/9. All they needed to do was bat normally at 8 rpo after that start, but no, every batter wants to risk the game and try smashing it at 14 rpo for no reason whatsoever.

 

The end goal should be ensuring the team wins, and not blind slogging to maintain high personal strike rates without caring about the match situation.

That was the only chasing match India lost since jan 2024. INdia's run while chasing  since 2024. Won everytrhing else. Look at the run rate of our team while chasing. I don't think we should change our approach. Role clarity will not be there. People will not know when to step down when to step up. 

 

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

That was the only chasing match India lost since jan 2024. INdia's run while chasing  since 2024. Won everytrhing else. Look at the run rate of our team while chasing. I don't think we should change our approach. Role clarity will not be there. People will not know when to step down when to step up. 

 

T20 approach has changes. the mantra is to score big and be ready to chase down big totals. Having an accumulator messes up their entire idea of scoring big, alot have to be changed to accommodate such batters in the line-up. Looks at rcb having high but slow scoring kolhi, rcb always fell short for runs even when they had Gyle and Abd.

 

Its either the accumulator consumes too many balls that these big hitters does not get enough balls. or they push for 1s/2s sucking energy out of big hitters.

This way team ends up with middling totals when you want to be at-least 15-20 runs plus the par score.

IIRC the cases in t20i games amongst equal strength sides chases have are been doen by hitter in general. in last couple of years

 

What did teams achived with similar players -kl,kolhi, root, smith, willamson etc... either teams moved away from them or their position kept changing

 

 

Edited August 30, 2025 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

10 hours ago, Suhaan said:

People like Gavaskar still not retiring and making noise when someone bats with non text book style , BCCI is always influenced by stone age cricketers with orthodox mentality for unorthodox formats

At v.top bcci does not care of these things. The issue is from the ground level. Coaches at jr/club level are not that innovative and v.old styled and can not think out of box.

 

How many Ind batter till date can play sweep comfortably, how many new batters have those modern white-ball shots. Every1 is comfrtable at what they are doing no need to improve.

Only player in Ind set-up who has developed was kolhi- he came is as a batter with limited shots ,he added few new shots, improved fitness, and fielding.

Those who try are discouraged as mentioned gavaskar till very recently if some ind batter plays reverse or tries something he would say what the need to play such shot when you can play orthodox shots.

 

Ind had to push t20 as a format till senior like sachin and dravid would retire, other boards would ask to play 1-2 t20i bcci would have to say no.

even they pushed back to drs hot spot etc.

Edited August 30, 2025 by tapandrun

[Stan AF]

I don't care if we lose the next ODI WC, next two WTC, but we have to win the next t20 wc and the one after that. Now is the time to establish a dynasty in this format of the sport. 

 

Other teams just are not that good enough in this format. We have to stamp our superiority in the game now. 

[putrevus]

This new t20 team has not played tournament yet. It would interesting to see how they do in tournaments.

 

T20 has evolved but 180 is still going to be great target in knockout matches and 160 to 180 will always keep teams in the matches.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2025 by putrevus

[deepdynamo]

The Juggernaut continues - Asia Cup 2025 T20 Champions 

 

India last 39 T20I

Won 36

Lost 3

 

[putrevus]

Tilak Verma followed Kohli's template, rotate strike and keep yourself at the crease, big shots can always be hit later in the innings.

 

This guy should be in all formats.

[deepdynamo]

Asia Cup takeouts with respect to India upcoming title defence next year. We haver 15 T20s before the world cup and the team is almost set. But still few concerns are for everyone to see.

 

1. SKY form is massive worry. He is the captain so he is safe. But he need to do something. Maybe No.3 is not right for him. He can try coming at 6 as a finsiher. But quite clearly, No.3 is not working for him.
2. Gill, though not a bad T20 player, is not fitting as well. Again, he is VC so won't be dropped.
3. Samson in the middle order is like cutting his efficency and impactness by 50%. 
4. Axar at no. 8 is also not that useful as a batter. He is not a powerhitter and need few balls and act best when inserted as floater.

5. Bumrah, Kuldeep & Varun are gems. But how to fit all three is still a puzzle.

6. Arshdeep, our best T20 bowler, is not getting game time because of above point.

Overall. here is the new list of the current pool of 18 T20 players that may represent us in the World Cup:
 

Openers: Abishek, Gill, Jaiswal
Middle: Sky, Tilak, Iyer, Rinku, Dube

WK: Samson, Jitesh

AR: Pandya, Axar, Sundar
Spin: Kuldeep, Varun
Fast: Bumrah, Arshdeep, Rana

Apart from above 18 players, there may be few opportunity given to following
Parag, Nitish, Jurel, Prasidh, Siraj

[deepdynamo]

India in 2024 - Won 24 out of 26 matches
India in 2025 - Won 11 out of 12 matches ( so far)

 

Since 2024, Won 35 out of 38 matches.

 

[Gollum]

Think another painful SF or F defeat in a home WC awaits. Probably against Aussies again in the final in maha panauti Namo stadium. 

[Suhaan]

18 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Think another painful SF or F defeat in a home WC awaits. Probably against Aussies again in the final in maha panauti Namo stadium. 

Eden Gardens is even more panauti

We did beat Aus in our victorious campaign in 2011 in Ahmedabad qf,so it's one all

[Mariyam]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Think another painful SF or F defeat in a home WC awaits. Probably against Aussies again in the final in maha panauti Namo stadium. 

Why so pessimistic?

 

We've been beating the world for the last 2 years. 35 of 38 matches won thanks @deepdynamo

[Gollum]

24 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Why so pessimistic?

 

We've been beating the world for the last 2 years. 35 of 38 matches won thanks @deepdynamo

Recent team selections are making me pessimistic. 

[Austin 3:!6]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Eden Gardens is even more panauti

We did beat Aus in our victorious campaign in 2011 in Ahmedabad qf,so it's one all

We also beat them in WT20 2024

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Think another painful SF or F defeat in a home WC awaits. Probably against Aussies again in the final in maha panauti Namo stadium. 

Australia look really strong right now.

Inglis Maxwell Cummins inclusion will make them even stronger in WT20 on Indian grounds especially..