Vickydev Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Gukesh handled his nerves extremely. well to wrap that one up, really sharp line, made Ding dig deep to find the right moves..which he did tbf until that one crucial error. But again time management being so key in this match already Big win.. Level going in after 3 rounds Tillu, randomGuy, Mariyam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 300K dollars each into Gukesh and Dings accounts till now. Mariyam and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Gukesh's first classical win over Ding, monkey off his back (reminds me of Fischer having never beaten Spassky till game 3 of the Reykjavik match), psychologically a big boost just before rest day. Ding is strictly average and in all likelihood the weakest player by a country margin Gukesh will ever face in a title match, expect Gukesh to now impose himself and seal it much before scheduled last round. Great day for Indian chess Anand needed 9 round before getting his first WCC win, against Kasparov in game 9 (1995), after 8 draws to start off with (then a record, before Carlsen-Caruana). Carlsen got his first taste of victory only in his 5th WCC game, against Anand. Kasparov won his first in his 32nd attempt, against Karpov (1984-85) !!!!! Gukesh did it in his 3rd game Mariyam, New guy, Vickydev and 2 others 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) On 11/25/2024 at 8:52 PM, Texan said: Gukesh lost I was saying this before also. The reason Ding has been largely inactive or not playing well is because he is reserving all his best plays for this match. Gukesh played too many tournaments leading up to the World Championship. He should have instead used the time for preparation and kept some of his strategies secret. Ding had been learning from Gukesh's game and was able to surprise him right at the beginning. On 11/26/2024 at 12:47 AM, rangeelaraja said: I had mentioned this a long time back, never be so assured in sports. Our problem as a people is - even when little good happens, we hype it up so much and end up jinxing ourselves. Indian media and unfortunately alot of fans, and even the absolutely unprofessional coverage by chessbase India , made it appear as if Gukesh just had to turn up to Singapore and the World Chess Championship cup was a mere formality. Never EVER underestimate your opponent when stakes are so high. Also lets use a little common sense, Gukesh has ZERO preparation support outside of India. If he were to win the World Championship, he would break Kasparov and Carlsen's record by several years. None of them want it. And nobody is a well wisher of his outside of India. The sooner the gullible Indian fans understand this the better. Also, for all the overconfidence and bravado - here is a fact- Gukesh has NEVER beaten Ding in a Classical chess game. Hopefully Gukesh puts up a good fight and takes this to the end, in my opinion - Gukesh is now the underdog and Ding will be very difficult to stop after this amazing start. Though I don't disagree with you guys, must remember that Gukesh is just a kid, a high school student, 18 years old. Nerves must have played a part, as calm his demeanour is. Ding has nothing to lose here, and has experience of playing a title match once. Our boy will get into his groove in coming days and show his best chess. Ding (this version, was a beast in 2019) is not an opponent I am worried about tbh. Had it been Carlsen/Caruana against a raw teenager, different story. Edited November 27 by Gollum Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) Saw many racist comments against Indians/Gukesh on chat (especially chess.com). Can understand the gora jealousy, their lack of representation as two Asians are fighting for the top prize, and a brown kid with a shot at breaking Kasparov's record of youngest world champion. Some Pakistanis too are taking special interest in this match and not in a good way, shouldn't they focus on producing a 2200 rated player first? Pathetic moderation. Just us Indians against the world. Edited November 27 by Gollum Vickydev, Mariyam, New guy and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Gukesh is back!!!!!! Vickydev, coffee_rules and Mariyam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Was I right or was I right? Gukesh strikes back. Nice way to go into the rest day. Vickydev, randomGuy and Tillu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: Was I right or was I right? The former…. or the latter!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted November 28 Author Share Posted November 28 Yesterday's Chessbase India's live streaming was really entertaining. They made a great spectacle out of the whole event. Should follow the same format going forward. Some of the users didn't like the overt display of emotions by the commentary team without which Chess will remain a niche sport forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted Friday at 06:15 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:15 AM (edited) On 11/26/2024 at 12:14 AM, Texan said: Other thing is who Gukesh is using for his training. From what is known, Gukesh'ssecond is Grzegorz Gajewski, who is ranked outside the top 300 in Fide rankings, while Ding's second is Richard Rapport, a top 30 player who is known for playing unconventional lines. Gukesh should have enlisted better players for preparing. I hope he is not caught out unprepared. Gajewski was also one of Anand's trusted seconds. Sandipan Chanda a 2400-2500 player played a vital role in his match against Kramnik in Bonn. Carlsen has used services of guys like Fressinet, Hammer, Nielsen (head coach) in his team, not exactly elite players themselves. Caruana had Chirila, Ramirez for his 2018 match. Role of seconds is to help in opening ideas, come up with plans of training sessions, analyze opponent's game etc. Needn't be a super strong guy just like it isn't necessary for a cricket coach to have been a successful player. Case in point, Bharat Arun, or Terry Jenner, regarded as the greatest spin bowling coach of all time. Nick Bollettieri whose career high was as a high school player (didn't even play in college) set the template for modern tennis and coached Agassi, Courier, Seles, Williams sisters, Sharapova etc. to multiple titles. In chess, at the level of WCC contenders, for a second/trainer, how you use the engine, rapport with the player etc. is more important, latter since it is an individual sport. Also some players dedicate to the role of coach/trainer and give up on their playing career ambitions, not that they don't have ability. Wojtaszek was Anand's long time second, later shifted to focus on his career and became a consistent 2700+ player in his mid 30s. Some like Dvoretsky, Jusopow, Sokolov, Dokhoina, Rublevsky sacrificed their playing career in their prime years to focus more on training/second duties. One of the best modern era seconds is a Bulgarian GM Ivan Cheparinov who helped a mid level talent (compared to other giants) like Topalov outprepare Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik so often in 2000s and made him a monster. Nakamura's long time second is Kris Littlejohn, a middle aged 2200 guy who has come up with amazing opening ideas, especially in 2016 Candidates. Edited Friday at 06:19 AM by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted Friday at 06:25 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:25 AM Gajewski is in Singapore, probably because Gukesh is comfortable with him, also an emotional support. Make no mistake, more people are helping him, some of them may not be public for a few years. Carlsen's full team of seconds/helpers in Chennai/Sochi became public after 5 years or so, turns out even Kasparov helped him with the opening and psychological inputs about Anand. If Gukesh is planning to use their assistance in future, not wise to reveal all names of seconds/helpers now. Tasks will be delegated, Gajewski may be looking at just certain opening lines, filtering info from other lines prepared by other seconds and passing it to Gukesh on the morning of the game. That is how Carlsen prepared, with Peter Heine Nielsen playing that role, while a team of seconds was stationed in another time zone preparing ideas and analyzing so that they could work when Carlsen/Nielsen were sleeping and vice versa. Similar arrangement here as well I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted Friday at 11:38 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 11:38 AM Today's game heading for a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted Friday at 11:41 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 11:41 AM There's a blackout at Habitat and streaming stopped from Chessbase India for the last 30 minutes. They don't seem to have a power backup for an important event like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted Friday at 12:23 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:23 PM 2-2. Gukesh with white pieces should win tomorrow. Vickydev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted Friday at 12:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:56 PM Pretty dull games from Ding when playing with White, no real impetus shown by him so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted Friday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:56 PM 7 hours ago, Gollum said: Gajewski was also one of Anand's trusted seconds. Sandipan Chanda a 2400-2500 player played a vital role in his match against Kramnik in Bonn. Carlsen has used services of guys like Fressinet, Hammer, Nielsen (head coach) in his team, not exactly elite players themselves. Caruana had Chirila, Ramirez for his 2018 match. Role of seconds is to help in opening ideas, come up with plans of training sessions, analyze opponent's game etc. Needn't be a super strong guy just like it isn't necessary for a cricket coach to have been a successful player. Case in point, Bharat Arun, or Terry Jenner, regarded as the greatest spin bowling coach of all time. Nick Bollettieri whose career high was as a high school player (didn't even play in college) set the template for modern tennis and coached Agassi, Courier, Seles, Williams sisters, Sharapova etc. to multiple titles. In chess, at the level of WCC contenders, for a second/trainer, how you use the engine, rapport with the player etc. is more important, latter since it is an individual sport. Also some players dedicate to the role of coach/trainer and give up on their playing career ambitions, not that they don't have ability. Wojtaszek was Anand's long time second, later shifted to focus on his career and became a consistent 2700+ player in his mid 30s. Some like Dvoretsky, Jusopow, Sokolov, Dokhoina, Rublevsky sacrificed their playing career in their prime years to focus more on training/second duties. One of the best modern era seconds is a Bulgarian GM Ivan Cheparinov who helped a mid level talent (compared to other giants) like Topalov outprepare Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik so often in 2000s and made him a monster. Nakamura's long time second is Kris Littlejohn, a middle aged 2200 guy who has come up with amazing opening ideas, especially in 2016 Candidates. 7 hours ago, Gollum said: Gajewski is in Singapore, probably because Gukesh is comfortable with him, also an emotional support. Make no mistake, more people are helping him, some of them may not be public for a few years. Carlsen's full team of seconds/helpers in Chennai/Sochi became public after 5 years or so, turns out even Kasparov helped him with the opening and psychological inputs about Anand. If Gukesh is planning to use their assistance in future, not wise to reveal all names of seconds/helpers now. Tasks will be delegated, Gajewski may be looking at just certain opening lines, filtering info from other lines prepared by other seconds and passing it to Gukesh on the morning of the game. That is how Carlsen prepared, with Peter Heine Nielsen playing that role, while a team of seconds was stationed in another time zone preparing ideas and analyzing so that they could work when Carlsen/Nielsen were sleeping and vice versa. Similar arrangement here as well I am sure. You will get paid if you write these things in MSM Gollum and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted Saturday at 11:11 AM Share Posted Saturday at 11:11 AM Game 5 position is equal but easier to play as black ( ding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted Saturday at 11:22 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 11:22 AM (edited) Gukesh is in such a big hurry that he handed over the game to Ding on a platter who is playing with 99% accuracy. Edited Saturday at 11:31 AM by Tillu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted Saturday at 11:33 AM Share Posted Saturday at 11:33 AM Gukesh has played silly this game, looks a bit panicked tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted Saturday at 11:35 AM Share Posted Saturday at 11:35 AM (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tillu said: Gukesh is in such a big hurry that he handed over the game to Ding on a platter who is playing with 99% accuracy. Think it's still holdable but he has to pick himself up. Edited Saturday at 11:35 AM by Vickydev Tillu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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