coffee_rules Posted April 5, 2025 Posted April 5, 2025 28 minutes ago, Mariyam said: In a nutshell: Inclusion of non Muslims in Waqf institutions, viz the Central Waqf Council, the State Waqf boards and the Waqf tribunals. With the aim of improving transparency. Increased GoI oversight: Uptil now, District Collectors or officers of the same class were authorised to survey the Waqf properties. Now GoI officers of a higher pay grade are overseers. This is especially useful in cases where the Waqf board has disputes with the government. More importantly the Amendment in the bill designates these senior officers as final officers in case of dispute and not the Waqf tribunal , which was the case because of the 1995 amendment. Establishment of an online Waqf registration portal, where all Waqfs have been given up to 6 months to register their properties with relevant proof/paperwork. The onus of this is now solely on the muttawali. Application of limitation Act on the 1995 Amendment of the Waqf Act. Currently ,the Waqf board was privy to a 12 year limitation incase anyone wanted to reclaim Waqf Land. That simply wasn't fair because cases, especially pertaining to property drag on for longer. Judicial review: Now litigants can avail a judicial review if they aren't happy with the decision of the Waqf tribunal. IMO, all in all, a good amendment. Waqf Act can't be used to steal land and the board can focus their efforts on betterment of the believers through maintaining the properties under their custody by positively engaging with the muttawali. And - Waqf to be donated only by practicing Muslims. Non-Muslims were also allowed to donate earlier , which is unIslamic - The wakif can only donate his part and cannot do without taking care of the rights of wife(s) and kin. Both cases were misused by largely to grab land. Most importantly section 40 of the Waqf act has been amended to defang its powers. Under Section 40, the Waqf Board has the authority to initiate a suo motu enquiry to determine if a property is Waqf—a power unique to it. Waqf land is often described as Allah's property—meant to serve a higher purpose, and in practical terms, serve people. That's the principle it rests on. https://theprint.in/opinion/removal-section-40-isnt-attack-on-waqf-boards-its-much-needed-course-correction/2577263/?amp Mariyam 1
coffee_rules Posted April 5, 2025 Posted April 5, 2025 14 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Not really. Special Marriage Act, 1954. No conversion required to marry. If the marriage is registered under this Act, the girl forgoes the pleasure of donating all her land to the Waqf. Special marriage Act optional. But, if they choose, she can covert and marry according to Islamic tradition and only such marriages are recognized by Islam. Special marriage Act is unIslamic. My local maulvi told me.
Muloghonto Posted April 5, 2025 Posted April 5, 2025 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Special marriage Act optional. But, if they choose, she can covert and marry according to Islamic tradition and only such marriages are recognized by Islam. Special marriage Act is unIslamic. My local maulvi told me. But if special marriage acts are u islamist and not nikah, how can waqf accept special marriage case wife's property becoming waqf ? This is an actual eg I know from my neighbourhood and the lady in question was a Punjabi Sikh who married a bong muslim guy.
Mariyam Posted April 5, 2025 Posted April 5, 2025 30 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Special marriage Act optional. But, if they choose, she can covert and marry according to Islamic tradition and only such marriages are recognized by Islam. Special marriage Act is unIslamic. My local maulvi told me. Yeah if the marriage is registered under the special marriage Act, then it means that the marriage is not considered legal according to Islamic canon and the wife’s property can’t be a Waqf because she isn’t a lawfully (from an Islamic POV) wedded wife. coffee_rules 1
Muloghonto Posted April 5, 2025 Posted April 5, 2025 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Yeah if the marriage is registered under the special marriage Act, then it means that the marriage is not considered legal according to Islamic canon and the wife’s property can’t be a Waqf because she isn’t a lawfully (from an Islamic POV) wedded wife. Well i know for a fact that his was not the case in the 90s-early 2000s from personal experience. I guess no one looks too hard when corruption is in the form of 'have extra land that you dont technically deserve but we can ghaplaa it your way'. Which is what i expect from ANY land aquisition board/entity, even if they are "board of radioactive waste-land like Chernobyl board of planet earth' - they wont say 'no no you gave us extra land, take it back, this land isnt ours by right'. So you can see why i have a problem with having a religion based land acquisition body in the first place, now ?? PS: Dont take it as attacking muslims from me per se, because i am also against a hindu waqf. I am against the whole CONCEPT of religion-based land acquisition body, regardless of how finely callibrated it is. Land is a finite resource and i do not recognize religious basis of propagation of land. Period. Edited April 5, 2025 by Muloghonto
G_B_ Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 what this does is pave the way for bjp to pass any bill they want. Pretty easy margins in LS and RS. News organisations had said Modji would be curtailed in his agenda by allies. TDP and JDu have been monetarily compensated. BJD is complicit in RS. randomGuy 1
randomGuy Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 4 minutes ago, G_B_ said: what this does is pave the way for bjp to pass any bill they want. Pretty easy margins in LS and RS. News organisations had said Modji would be curtailed in his agenda by allies. TDP and JDu have been monetarily compensated. BJD is complicit in RS. Equally important is that less or no interference from American deep state. mishra and G_B_ 1 1
mishra Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 1 hour ago, randomGuy said: Equally important is that less or no interference from American deep state. Any or all Bills can be passed with current BJP numbers as long as Deep State stays silent. Right now too much on deep state plate. So i think we could remove many cancers in nxt 3-4 years randomGuy 1
coffee_rules Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, G_B_ said: what this does is pave the way for bjp to pass any bill they want. Pretty easy margins in LS and RS. News organisations had said Modji would be curtailed in his agenda by allies. TDP and JDu have been monetarily compensated. BJD is complicit in RS. I am told even YSRCP got on-board and a few independents in RS. I am pretty sure SC will not bother judging legislative matters if law is passed. I am sure the collegium can be made to see the light Edited April 6, 2025 by coffee_rules randomGuy 1
Chaos Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I am told even YSRCP got in-board and a few independents in RS. I am pretty sure SC will not bother judging legislative matters if law is passed. I am sure the collegium can be made to see the light I am here. What younsaying about ysrcp
coffee_rules Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 11 minutes ago, Chaos said: I am here. What younsaying about ysrcp That they voted for the. Bill randomGuy 1
G_B_ Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 Admk voted against. Could have abstained Hope bjp know what they want to get into in Tn.... randomGuy 1
AuxiliA Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: what this does is pave the way for bjp to pass any bill they want. Pretty easy margins in LS and RS. News organisations had said Modji would be curtailed in his agenda by allies. TDP and JDu have been monetarily compensated. BJD is complicit in RS. 5 hours ago, mishra said: Any or all Bills can be passed with current BJP numbers as long as Deep State stays silent. Right now too much on deep state plate. So i think we could remove many cancers in nxt 3-4 years With 240 seats passing bills requiring just a simple majority was never an issue for BJP. Real challenge would come in amending the Constitution for bills like UCC, ONOE, freeing temples,etc which requires 2/3rd majority in both houses. In Modi 2.0 they had 2/3rd in the LS atleast. Should have done more constitutional reforms back then. They started off great with A370 and CAA but went in total hibernation after COVID came. Lord 1
randomGuy Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 (edited) 31 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: With 240 seats passing bills requiring just a simple majority was never an issue for BJP. Real challenge would come in amending the Constitution for bills like UCC, ONOE, freeing temples,etc which requires 2/3rd majority in both houses. In Modi 2.0 they had 2/3rd in the LS atleast. Should have done more constitutional reforms back then. They started off great with A370 and CAA but went in total hibernation after COVID came. With russia ukraine war, deep state became involved in destabilizing india even more farmer bills, khalistan, caa protests , manipur , Bangladesh. I agree modi 2.0 was underwhelming wrt the seats they had in LS. Edited April 6, 2025 by randomGuy AuxiliA 1
mishra Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 13 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: With 240 seats passing bills requiring just a simple majority was never an issue for BJP. Real challenge would come in amending the Constitution for bills like UCC, ONOE, freeing temples,etc which requires 2/3rd majority in both houses. In Modi 2.0 they had 2/3rd in the LS atleast. Should have done more constitutional reforms back then. They started off great with A370 and CAA but went in total hibernation after COVID came. Actually they went in total hibernation after Biden came. If you carefully watch the footage Kamala aunt talking to Modi in 2021 (first floor) You can see Modiji is being schooled by Kamala aunty. Credit to Modiji, He never met the lady after that. Ensured she only meets upto FM level. We need BJP and Nxt republicans president both in office with clear majority for cancer treatment. AuxiliA and G_B_ 1 1
randomGuy Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: I am told even YSRCP got on-board and a few independents in RS. I am pretty sure SC will not bother judging legislative matters if law is passed. I am sure the collegium can be made to see the light It is good. Article 370 removal par bhi supreme court ka approval aaya tha. Here also it will come after hearing. coffee_rules 1
randomGuy Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: Admk voted against. Could have abstained Hope bjp know what they want to get into in Tn.... Curious case of 2 neighbour states. In AP, both main regional parties support the bill and in TN, both oppose. TN politicians give a bad vibe.
AuxiliA Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 Best video that you could watch after the passage of waqf act ft. Vishnu S Jain. Goes into the fine prints of the act. This guy is an authority on the subject..
mishra Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: Curious case of 2 neighbour states. In AP, both main regional parties support the bill and in TN, both oppose. TN politicians give a bad vibe. When a political party start heavy use of appeasement politics that means their own votebank is starting to question path and principles of party. They will loose without Muslim votebank joing their votebank. Mamata, Tejaswi, Rahul, Akhilesh, Stalin, UBT, Reddy , Pawar etc They all are looking at same fate. Sooner or later, They will loose election and then almost never coming back. Edited April 6, 2025 by mishra raki05 1
Muloghonto Posted April 6, 2025 Posted April 6, 2025 3 hours ago, mishra said: Actually they went in total hibernation after Biden came. If you carefully watch the footage Kamala aunt talking to Modi in 2021 (first floor) You can see Modiji is being schooled by Kamala aunty. Credit to Modiji, He never met the lady after that. Ensured she only meets upto FM level. We need BJP and Nxt republicans president both in office with clear majority for cancer treatment. kamala is completely incoherent when she talks so modi got lost, not schooled. not even i can understand kamalas nonsense let alone someone who struggles in english like modi. mishra 1
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