Modi Ji hints at abolishing WAQF act in Winter parliament session.

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Have any of you even read the Waqf Act of 1995 before launching into a diatribe against all things Muslim?

 

Everything is not a big Muslim conspiracy against India. Surprising as it may sound.

 

The main point of contention is Section 40 of the Act i.e the near unchallenged powers of the Waqf tribunal. That should be abolished, and there is merit to that argument.

But why abolish the Act?

 

Most of the immovable properties with the Waqf boards across the states are graveyards. Most of these have been encroached upon by various entities. Both public and private.

 

In my ( absolutely unbiased, or I try to be here) opinion, it makes sense to digitize Waqf records, bring Waqf property under the ambit of tax laws and remove the Waqf tribunal and let the litigants slog it out in regular courts. That would be a win win for everyone.

 

And get the government out of religion. And vice versa.

[coffee_rules]

On 11/24/2024 at 1:23 PM, Mariyam said:

Have any of you even read the Waqf Act of 1995 before launching into a diatribe against all things Muslim?

 

Everything is not a big Muslim conspiracy against India. Surprising as it may sound.

 

The main point of contention is Section 40 of the Act i.e the near unchallenged powers of the Waqf tribunal. That should be abolished, and there is merit to that argument.

But why abolish the Act?

 

Most of the immovable properties with the Waqf boards across the states are graveyards. Most of these have been encroached upon by various entities. Both public and private.

 

In my ( absolutely unbiased, or I try to be here) opinion, it makes sense to digitize Waqf records, bring Waqf property under the ambit of tax laws and remove the Waqf tribunal and let the litigants slog it out in regular courts. That would be a win win for everyone.

 

Some basic qs- not rhetorical 

 

Why was the act needed in 1954? Why was it amended to give more draconian powers to the state boards in 1995? 
 

How is it that there is so much of visibility in media coverage nowadays about Waqf claiming this and that falana property? Some news said the whole village in TN, large commercial areas in cities, Antilla, Hyderabad Airport etc

Edited November 26 by coffee_rules

[jigjig]

9 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Yes, I prefer Yogi Ji like bulldozer treatment. 

 

For any physical damage they do to public/govt property in protest, round up the perpetrators and confiscate / bulldoze their homes without mercy.  We will not allow a repeat of Shaheen Bagh, Delhi riots.

 

 

3 were shot by police today when they indulged into stone pelting in UP trying to stop a survey 

[coffee_rules]

Bhadkana shuru

 

 

2 hours ago, jigjig said:

3 were shot by police today when they indulged into stone pelting in UP trying to stop a survey 

 

[jigjig]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Bhadkana shuru

 

 

 

Most mullahs are quoting the survey as the reason but it is actually the uncontrolled protest. 

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, jigjig said:

Most mullahs are quoting the survey as the reason but it is actually the uncontrolled protest. 

This WaqF amendment is going to be a Herculean task. Survey of a Masjid is a no-go zone. 3 were shot dead and secular activists are provoking crowds

 

 

Edited November 25 by coffee_rules

[jigjig]

Sawaal hai Kumar Vishwas ka aur kaafi bharatiyon ka

 

“मस्जिदें उसने बनाई, मंदिरों को तोड़ कर मस्जिदें क्या बन नही सकती थी, मंदिर छोड़ कर..?”

[jigjig]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

This WaqF amendment is going to be a Herculean task. Survey of a Masjid is a no-go zone. 3 were shot dead and secular activists are provoking crowds

https://x.com/meghupdates/status/1860547814704501017?s=46

https://x.com/khanumarfa/status/1860746962330329391?s=46

https://x.com/ranaayyub/status/1860705616337023245?s=46

 

Kab tak provoke karenge 

[kepler37b]

42 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

This WaqF amendment is going to be a Herculean task. Survey of a Masjid is a no-go zone. 3 were shot dead and secular activists are provoking crowds

 

 

The group that is co operative and that has higher aims than materialism will always win.

 

Hindus must see this and adopt the playbook. This is a battle for survival. 

Edited November 25 by kepler37b

[kepler37b]

13 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Some basic qs-

Why was the act needed in 1954? Why was it amended to give more draconian powers to the state boards in 1995? 
 

How is it that there is so much of visibility in media coverage nowadays about Waqf claiming this and that falana property? Some news said the whole village in TN, large commercial areas in cities, Antilla, Hyderabad Airport etc

As per their scriptures, the entire earth belongs to the momin. This is just a trailer to their ambitions.

[diga]

20 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Have any of you even read the Waqf Act of 1995 before launching into a diatribe against all things Muslim?

 

Everything is not a big Muslim conspiracy against India. Surprising as it may sound.

 

The main point of contention is Section 40 of the Act i.e the near unchallenged powers of the Waqf tribunal. That should be abolished, and there is merit to that argument.

But why abolish the Act?

 

Most of the immovable properties with the Waqf boards across the states are graveyards. Most of these have been encroached upon by various entities. Both public and private.

 

In my ( absolutely unbiased, or I try to be here) opinion, it makes sense to digitize Waqf records, bring Waqf property under the ambit of tax laws and remove the Waqf tribunal and let the litigants slog it out in regular courts. That would be a win win for everyone.

 

Tend to agree.. One of my relative is facing the issue you have mentioned.

In some areas of the North Bengaluru, the BEL society lands (bharat electronics) have been encroached to form graveyards... Now how do you fight that? When BEL society was formed way back in 1960s there was no graveyard as per the records

[mishra]

Bulldozer will be back

[kepler37b]

On 11/24/2024 at 1:23 PM, Mariyam said:

Have any of you even read the Waqf Act of 1995 before launching into a diatribe against all things Muslim?

 

Everything is not a big Muslim conspiracy against India. Surprising as it may sound.

 

The main point of contention is Section 40 of the Act i.e the near unchallenged powers of the Waqf tribunal. That should be abolished, and there is merit to that argument.

But why abolish the Act?

 

Most of the immovable properties with the Waqf boards across the states are graveyards. Most of these have been encroached upon by various entities. Both public and private.

 

In my ( absolutely unbiased, or I try to be here) opinion, it makes sense to digitize Waqf records, bring Waqf property under the ambit of tax laws and remove the Waqf tribunal and let the litigants slog it out in regular courts. That would be a win win for everyone.

 

Complete population transfer should have taken place. Both parties would have been happy than this daily RR.

 

The hindus/secularists of 1947 were even more retarded than current ones.

 

 

[jigjig]

3 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Complete population transfer should have taken place. Both parties would have been happy than this daily RR.

 

The hindus/secularists of 1947 were even more retarded than current ones.

 

 

Current ones also jump out of their seats whenever the same point about complete population transfer is made. That was the basis of partition

[kepler37b]

1 minute ago, jigjig said:

Current ones also jump out of their seats whenever the same point about complete population transfer is made. That was the basis of partition

The hindus are inward spiritual creatures.  They will never understand. 

[Mariyam]

22 hours ago, diga said:

Tend to agree.. One of my relative is facing the issue you have mentioned.

In some areas of the North Bengaluru, the BEL society lands (bharat electronics) have been encroached to form graveyards... Now how do you fight that? When BEL society was formed way back in 1960s there was no graveyard as per the records

It is in fact, the other way around. 
 

Waqf records from the 1940s and 1950s would show a lot of land reserved for graveyards. Most of this would be in what would then be outskirts of the cities. With unchecked urbanisation, our cities grew in all directions. And many grave yards were simply taken over by PSUs and builders. This problem is most pronounced in Delhi. And Mysore.

 

Zafar Shah, in addition to being a rubbish king, was a poet of some repute:

 

Kitna hai badnaseeb ‘Zafar’

Dafn ke liye do gaz zameen bhi na mili

Quu e yaar* mein
 

(*) Quu e yaar : Dear/Beloved land

[Mariyam]

59 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Complete population transfer should have taken place. Both parties would have been happy than this daily RR.

 

The hindus/secularists of 1947 were even more retarded than current ones.

 

 

This can’t be the template. Everytime there is a discussion on anything contentious:

Oh you all should have gone to Pakistan etc. 

 

That ship has sailed. These issues can be discussed in the present tense without invoking the need for an alternate history scenario. This is real life not a Quentin Tarantino movie.

 

Also, as an idea, India is much more sturdy and humane. A land for all Indians. Pakistan as an idea is a land for Muslims exclusively. Look where it got them. Why would anyone want to go there? Perhaps in 1947 it may hold some allure, but the idea of Pakistan died in 1971 and has died a 100 times after that.

 

 

[coffee_rules]

On 11/24/2024 at 8:35 PM, jigjig said:

3 were shot by police today when they indulged into stone pelting in UP trying to stop a survey 

This Sambhal issue has nothing to do Waqf act. It is like Ram Mandir where Babur is said to have demolished a Harihar temple and built a mosque. Have to move this discussion out of this topic

[diga]

29 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

It is in fact, the other way around. 
 

Waqf records from the 1940s and 1950s would show a lot of land reserved for graveyards. Most of this would be in what would then be outskirts of the cities. With unchecked urbanisation, our cities grew in all directions. And many grave yards were simply taken over by PSUs and builders. This problem is most pronounced in Delhi. And Mysore.

 

Zafar Shah, in addition to being a rubbish king, was a poet of some repute:

 

Kitna hai badnaseeb ‘Zafar’

Dafn ke liye do gaz zameen bhi na mili

Quu e yaar* mein
 

(*) Quu e yaar : Dear/Beloved land

Ohh..  the problem is the illegal mushrooming of graveyard. Since 80s , the land been cultivated and not a single skeleton discovered and now one comes and makes a claim .

 

 

[Mariyam]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:21 PM, coffee_rules said:

Some basic qs- not rhetorical 

 

Why was the act needed in 1954? Why was it amended to give more draconian powers to the state boards in 1995? 
 

How is it that there is so much of visibility in media coverage nowadays about Waqf claiming this and that falana property? Some news said the whole village in TN, large commercial areas in cities, Antilla, Hyderabad Airport etc

Thank you for an on the topic and logical response.

 

There are two aspects here which can and should be separated:

 

1) Is there a need for a Waqf? Act of 1954/55

2) Does the Act need over reaching powers? Amendment of 1995

 

The answer to the first question is yes. As a part of freedom of religion, you can make an arguement that a religious body determine how its assets are run. The ASI will take care arguement doesn't hold true always. There are many properties in India which do not fall under the ambit of the ASI protected structures but still are properties of religious/historic significance.

 

The answer to the second question is that the Waqf tribunal be defanged and claims fought out in regular courts. And the onus should be on the claimant if he says xyz is a Waqf land to show land records at least back to a certain period to make the claim. Else just quash the case as frivolous and fine him for wasting the time of the respectable court.