Chaos Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, mishra said: Shabdo ko khel aapako aataa hai. True story. Just for laugh! There are two Bollywoodians who also witnessed this. During Covid I was doing manadatory quarntine as law said people coming from outside UK has to do 11 day mandatory quarntine in a Hotel. Now as expected, Hotel was filled with variopus nationalities and there were few very passionate Pakistanis. There were couple of Bollowoodian as well. The carpark of the hotel was only area where you could get fresh air, So Car Park looked like Hollywood Prisons oipen area and people had made groups. NOw one of this Pakistani ex judge in Islamabad became friend and he kept bringing Kashmir in all discussions. He had very good knowledhge of History and kept pinning me down simply on basis of his logical ability and historical knowledge. So one day while discussion was going on, He kept saying Panditji, Ye to aapako manana padegaa ki India Beimani karake Junagadh, Hyderbad aur Kashmir le gayaa. Kashmir mein atankvaad bolkar, aaj bhi Hamaari Pitthi maar rahaa hai. Phir aap Pakistan ko galat bolatein hai? I, as usual argued and argued till i lost all historical facts and arguements. So Finally, I said, Judge Saahab, Aap ye bataavo, Maan liyaa ki Beimani karake hamane Jungadh Kashmir Hyderbad le liyaa thaa. Lekin agar aap Roj Roj Beimaan ko bhi Beiman bulayenge to Beiman ko bura to lagegaa hi. Aur vo aapase tagadaa hai to phir, Beimaan Beimaan ratane ki vajah se aapaki Pithi bhi maaregaa. Sahee hai ki Nahi? Everyone started laughing including the Bollywoodian who were generally taking Pakistani side in discussion just to look neutral Mishy? U becoming like that mul guy, writing books for replies mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 17 minutes ago, Chaos said: Mishy? U becoming like that mul guy, writing books for replies Bhavanaon mein bah gayaa bhai. Galatee ho gayee Chaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2025 at 1:51 PM, Mariyam said: Your question is straight forward. The surveys are routinely needed for: To check if the Waqf properties are within their stated boundaries. This is to check if the Waqf properties have not encroached neighbouring land or have not been encroached upon by neighbours. Main purpose is to see if the state/waqf appointed Mutawalli hasn't 'leased' some of the Waqf land in an illegal manner. To check if the the lands are in accordance with the latest Waqf land records. New records with additions and omissions are released every 12-15 months. To account for the finances of the Auqaf. Why is it not profitable? What can be done to make it profitable? If profitable, are the books adding up etc? Is there any corruption/pilferage of funds etc Fair enough. As explained, this constant survuey and updating old records from Moghul era is the bpne of contention. Need a cutoff date of August 15, 1947 as is done in the Places of Worship act. On 1/21/2025 at 1:51 PM, Mariyam said: Don't get your point about Muslims being poor re: Sachar report and the Waqf. The objective of the Waqf is not to improve the socio economic status, but to maintain religious structures and graveyards. As with all government establishments in India, the Waqf board is totally corrupt. What better proof of assimilation could you ask from Muslims? That video I posted, he claims that Sachar report has a lot of observations on WqQF property maintenance which were recorded and used by UPA govt to make changes in Waqf property managemnent. I understand the WaQF as defined in some falana hadith is basically for lifelong Zakat even after death , so the wealth is to be used for the welfare of Muslims in general. But despite the WaQF propewrty values of all boards balooning up to the amount of total budget of small states (12k crores or so), the state of Muslims in general is very poor, poorer than SC/ST. That's the observation, WaQF mamnagement has become a dhanda for tich Muslims and politicians like Amanatullah Khan, Azam Khan, Jaffer Sharif (Kar), Zameer Ahmed (Kar) and many rich people like Ambani etc. There is a need for reform, but the street veto power of Indin Muslims will stop all such reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 It's coming. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 49 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: It's coming. Will believe it when they pass it and do not overturn it in a few months. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/24/2025 at 1:01 AM, coffee_rules said: Fair enough. As explained, this constant survuey and updating old records from Moghul era is the bpne of contention. Need a cutoff date of August 15, 1947 as is done in the Places of Worship act. That video I posted, he claims that Sachar report has a lot of observations on WqQF property maintenance which were recorded and used by UPA govt to make changes in Waqf property managemnent. I understand the WaQF as defined in some falana hadith is basically for lifelong Zakat even after death , so the wealth is to be used for the welfare of Muslims in general. But despite the WaQF propewrty values of all boards balooning up to the amount of total budget of small states (12k crores or so), the state of Muslims in general is very poor, poorer than SC/ST. That's the observation, WaQF mamnagement has become a dhanda for tich Muslims and politicians like Amanatullah Khan, Azam Khan, Jaffer Sharif (Kar), Zameer Ahmed (Kar) and many rich people like Ambani etc. There is a need for reform, but the street veto power of Indin Muslims will stop all such reform. The best tit for tat would be for the Hindu's to have a "Swadharma Bhumi trust board". They can simply go and say, "This was a land under Pritiviraj chauhaan/Sri Krishna Deva raaya and hence must belong to us.." randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 8 hours ago, bharathh said: Will believe it when they pass it and do not overturn it in a few months. BJP is the most darpok right party ever,it's the most timid right wing party i have seen.they have convictions which they abandon very easily at the first sign of protest.if they somehow pass this which highly doubt they will cave like they always do when Muslims do some brisk protests.if they had balls they could have passed this when they had an actual majority for 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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