Mariyam Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, bharathh said: IMO going out of their way to show that they are not appeasing anyone will win them more votes than trying to appease these ingrates. Ingrates? Who exactly is an ingrate? And who should the ingrates be grateful to, and for what?
bharathh Posted March 27 Posted March 27 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: Ingrates? Who exactly is an ingrate? And who should the ingrates be grateful to, and for what? Folks that take all the development and yet will not vote for someone based on their community or religion. Plenty of videos from news channels that talk about how Modi's govt has improved their lives a lot but continue voting for anti-dev folks like SP, BSP and Cong because of their biases. raki05 1
bharathh Posted March 27 Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, bharathh said: Folks that take all the development and yet will not vote for someone based on their community or religion. Plenty of videos from news channels that talk about how Modi's govt has improved their lives a lot but continue voting for anti-dev folks like SP, BSP and Cong because of their biases. Here's an example.. many more like this online for anyone that wants to look. Done before every election with the same nonsense. AuxiliA 1
mishra Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bharathh said: Here's an example.. many more like this online for anyone that wants to look. Done before every election with the same nonsense. Kudos to Muslims that they put Islam ahead of everything. Hence I say , they are hopeless. Once Islamisation project completes, They will kickstart project to purify Islamic population till last man standing. Just chk regions on world map where Islamisation is complete. Edited March 27 by mishra raki05 and Mariyam 1 1
Mariyam Posted March 27 Posted March 27 46 minutes ago, bharathh said: Folks that take all the development and yet will not vote for someone based on their community or religion. Plenty of videos from news channels that talk about how Modi's govt has improved their lives a lot but continue voting for anti-dev folks like SP, BSP and Cong because of their biases. Its sad that you think this way. When you say folks that 'take' all the development, well most of the said folks have not asked for it. As a result of extremely poor community level leadership and misplaced priorities, the said folks are the bottom of every development index. Means that they are eligible for most of these development schemes as you call them. Gratitude and loyalty, are an unsaid given in a people to people relationships. Not so the case in groups. And definitely not in electoral politics. As a political party, what the BJP should focus on is messaging/ allaying fears. Bribing through hand outs only gets you so far. Safety or the perception of safety is always going to outweigh short term gains. This is true for all folks. Maslow's hierarchy.
Mariyam Posted March 27 Posted March 27 32 minutes ago, mishra said: Kudos to Muslims that they put Islam ahead of everything. Hence I say , they are hopeless. Once Islamisation project completes, They will kickstart project to purify Islamic population till last man standing. Just chk regions on world map where Islamisation is complete.
mishra Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Madam aap enough pure nahi ho. Aapaka number part 2 mein aanaa hai. Even in UK, I see Muslims worried from their Society if they are NOT SEEN as keeping Roza. Masalaa ho jataa hai. Hence I say, there will be someone who will think other guy is not pure Muslim and will enforce his way of pure Muslim on the others. And some percentage among them are ready to kill or die for the cause. Constant process of purification. Not sure you have read Calculus but there is mathematical concept In simple terms As Islamic purtity tends to Infinity . Popuation Count will tend to zero Edited March 27 by mishra Mariyam and raki05 1 1
rangeelaraja Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Its sad that you think this way. When you say folks that 'take' all the development, well most of the said folks have not asked for it. As a result of extremely poor community level leadership and misplaced priorities, the said folks are the bottom of every development index. Means that they are eligible for most of these development schemes as you call them. Gratitude and loyalty, are an unsaid given in a people to people relationships. Not so the case in groups. And definitely not in electoral politics. As a political party, what the BJP should focus on is messaging/ allaying fears. Bribing through hand outs only gets you so far. Safety or the perception of safety is always going to outweigh short term gains. This is true for all folks. Maslow's hierarchy. @Mariyam - SHOCKING STATEMENTS !!! Theek ho ? When the BJP delivers development — as is its duty as the ruling party — irrespective of religion, caste, or creed, it’s only natural to expect electoral support from regions that have benefited. Isn’t that what every political party hopes for? But now, you are calling development a “bribe”? So if they deliver, it’s a bribe. If they don’t, they are communal and discriminating . Wah. If they do, they are damned, if they don't they are damned too. Quote As a political party, what the BJP should focus on is messaging/ allaying fears. Isko seedhi bhaasha mein “appeasement” kehte hain. And what safety or fear are we even talking about? What exactly has happened? They’re being provoked by fear-mongering parties for political gain — and your solution is that the BJP should counter-appease them? Wah. If this is how someone like you thinks, then truly we have no hopes as @mishra put it. raki05 and ravishingravi 2
Mariyam Posted March 27 Posted March 27 @rangeelaraja 1)I haven’t called development a bribe. 2)Neither have I said the BJP should counter appease Muslims. Those are strange inferences to make from my post.
bharathh Posted March 27 Posted March 27 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Its sad that you think this way. When you say folks that 'take' all the development, well most of the said folks have not asked for it. As a result of extremely poor community level leadership and misplaced priorities, the said folks are the bottom of every development index. Means that they are eligible for most of these development schemes as you call them. Gratitude and loyalty, are an unsaid given in a people to people relationships. Not so the case in groups. And definitely not in electoral politics. As a political party, what the BJP should focus on is messaging/ allaying fears. Bribing through hand outs only gets you so far. Safety or the perception of safety is always going to outweigh short term gains. This is true for all folks. Maslow's hierarchy. Said folks are bottom of the dev index because they don't vote for dev. They vote for communalism as seen in the video. They don't actually care about dev - only maintaining their veto power as a community. Gratitude (forget loyalty) should be to those delivering better lives to them. When they want to stick to rewarding those who will appease them only disregarding dev they become ingrates. rangeelaraja 1
rangeelaraja Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bharathh said: Said folks are bottom of the dev index because they don't vote for dev. They vote for communalism as seen in the video. They don't actually care about dev - only maintaining their veto power as a community. Gratitude (forget loyalty) should be to those delivering better lives to them. When they want to stick to rewarding those who will appease them only disregarding dev they become ingrates. You said it so well. The biggest example of this is in UP and Bihar where SP and RJD have been relevant for so long. But this mindset of not voting for growth is not just a muslim thing - it is highly functional at a caste level in UP and Bihar and even Maharashtra - which Sharad Pawar has exploited - being the snake that he is. What is surprising that in such a large muslim population there has not been a single non-BJP Muslim politician - who advocates an agenda for economic growth and modern education. It is all about a rhetoric that BJP is communal and after the lives of " dara hua mussalman ". I wish there were guys like Arif Mohammad Khan or Rizwan Ahmed in the opposition. Edited March 27 by rangeelaraja
coffee_rules Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: You said it so well. The biggest example of this is in UP and Bihar where SP and RJD have been relevant for so long. But this mindset of not voting for growth is not just a muslim thing - it is highly functional at a caste level in UP and Bihar and even Maharashtra - which Sharad Pawar has exploited - being the snake that he is. What is surprising that in such a large muslim population there has not been a single non-BJP Muslim politician - who advocates an agenda for economic growth and modern education. It is all about a rhetoric that BJP is communal and after the lives of " dara hua mussalman ". I wish there were guys like Arif Mohammad Khan or Rizwan Ahmed in the opposition. How can you forget, where the Muslims are the poorest:
kepler37b Posted March 28 Posted March 28 13 hours ago, Mariyam said: Its sad that you think this way. When you say folks that 'take' all the development, well most of the said folks have not asked for it. As a result of extremely poor community level leadership and misplaced priorities, the said folks are the bottom of every development index. Means that they are eligible for most of these development schemes as you call them. Gratitude and loyalty, are an unsaid given in a people to people relationships. Not so the case in groups. And definitely not in electoral politics. As a political party, what the BJP should focus on is messaging/ allaying fears. Bribing through hand outs only gets you so far. Safety or the perception of safety is always going to outweigh short term gains. This is true for all folks. Maslow's hierarchy. Their priorities are domination and conquest. Not economic/spiritual development. diga and Mariyam 1 1
Mariyam Posted March 28 Posted March 28 10 hours ago, bharathh said: Said folks are bottom of the dev index because they don't vote for dev. They vote for communalism as seen in the video. They don't actually care about dev - only maintaining their veto power as a community. Gratitude (forget loyalty) should be to those delivering better lives to them. When they want to stick to rewarding those who will appease them only disregarding dev they become ingrates. That BJP is the sole provider of development is laughable. Southern States which have higher development index on most parameters have minimal presence of the BJP. Equally laughable is that Muslims vote for communalism and Hindus for development. A large chunk of Hindus vote for the BJP simply because of the way BJP positions itself vis a vis Muslims. The vote isn’t for solely for *development*.
Mariyam Posted March 28 Posted March 28 3 hours ago, kepler37b said: Their priorities are domination and conquest. Not economic/spiritual development. Yup. 70 years of voting for domination and conquest and the Sachar report places Muslims at the bottom of the heap. Strong arguement.
Lone Wolf Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Damn Pasmandas occupy 85% of Muslim population in India..... Global OBC Samrat might be onto something here with Sougaat E Modi. GC Hindus and Non Pasmandas have tough days ahead in Vishwaguru land. Both groups should join forces and form a new party for their survival. Edited March 28 by Lone Wolf
AuxiliA Posted March 28 Posted March 28 26 minutes ago, Mariyam said: That BJP is the sole provider of development is laughable. Southern States which have higher development index on most parameters have minimal presence of the BJP. Equally laughable is that Muslims vote for communalism and Hindus for development. A large chunk of Hindus vote for the BJP simply because of the way BJP positions itself vis a vis Muslims. The vote isn’t for solely for *development*. Well in many North Indian states BJP is the sole provider of development. Check the track record of previous govts in those states. Southern states are higher on development parameters not coz of their superior non corrupt politics but for other reasons- geographical, historical, having a sense of sub-nationalism,etc. BJP doesn't succeed much in south only coz of the language thing. People all over the world vote on emotions and perceptions not on development. I don't mind Indian muslim never voting for BJP at all. Given the perception it's totally understandable. What I don't like is the blatant false propaganda routinely pedalled by the Leftists and Islamists that Indian muslims are being persecuted and discriminated against by the Indian govt and Hindu majority. On the contrary Ind muslims receive more perks than Ind Hindus both constitutionally and politically. They are positively discriminated. Even when it comes to violence and rioting, it's not a one way street with majority Hs stomping the poor minority Ms, as portrayed by the Leftists/Islamists scoundrels. If you dig deep you will find more Hindus getting killed by Muslims in India than the other way round. Mariyam 1
Mariyam Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 35 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: Well in many North Indian states BJP is the sole provider of development. Check the track record of previous govts in those states. Southern states are higher on development parameters not coz of their superior non corrupt politics but for other reasons- geographical, historical, having a sense of sub-nationalism,etc. BJP doesn't succeed much in south only coz of the language thing. People all over the world vote on emotions and perceptions not on development. I don't mind Indian muslim never voting for BJP at all. Given the perception it's totally understandable. What I don't like is the blatant false propaganda routinely pedalled by the Leftists and Islamists that Indian muslims are being persecuted and discriminated against by the Indian govt and Hindu majority. On the contrary Ind muslims receive more perks than Ind Hindus both constitutionally and politically. They are positively discriminated. Even when it comes to violence and rioting, it's not a one way street with majority Hs stomping the poor minority Ms, as portrayed by the Leftists/Islamists scoundrels. If you dig deep you will find more Hindus getting killed by Muslims in India than the other way round. Commenting on the part in bold: Muslims do not receive more perks. Can you provide some empirical data to substantiate your point? The groups that get the most in terms of freebees and favourable politics are the backwards castes. Both in terms of total benefit accrued and in terms of per capita benefit. What we get as perks are actually harmful and parochial organizations to mind our matters. Like the AIMPLB. Parochial and haven't done a thing for Muslims since forever. Like a separate Civil Code, which has only been detrimental to Muslims. Like the now abolished Haj subsidy, which was a bailout package for Air India and so on. Also BJP = Development is a narrative that BJP and its supporters want to peddle. Not the case always. Orissa has managed to develop itself to a good degree vis a vis her neighbours without the BJP being in power. In Maharashtra, post the Bombay riots people didn't vote for the Shiv Sena (BJP was the minor ally at the time) for development. Edited March 28 by Mariyam AuxiliA 1
Mariyam Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Damn Pasmandas occupy 85% of Muslim population in India..... Global OBC Samrat might be onto something here with Sougaat E Modi. GC Hindus and Non Pasmandas have tough days ahead in Vishwaguru land. Both groups should join forces and form a new party for their survival. This whole Pasmanda thing is not that big a deal. There is a lot of social mobility between 'castes' in Muslims. Marriages across 'castes' are not as frowned upon as they among Hindus. Especially in the rural areas. Muslims of any castes can pray in mosques, again the discrimination exists but the gap is nowhere as close to what Hindu society has historically had. The schism is not that deep. The larger schism is between Shi'a and Sunni. And even among that within different schools of thought: Barelvi v Deobandi (mostly but not exclusively Hanafis). On the whole, Muslim society is a lot more unified than the Hindu society re:caste.
Lone Wolf Posted March 28 Posted March 28 20 minutes ago, Mariyam said: This whole Pasmanda thing is not that big a deal. There is a lot of social mobility between 'castes' in Muslims. Marriages across 'castes' are not as frowned upon as they among Hindus. Especially in the rural areas. Muslims of any castes can pray in mosques, again the discrimination exists but the gap is nowhere as close to what Hindu society has historically had. The schism is not that deep. The larger schism is between Shi'a and Sunni. And even among that within different schools of thought: Barelvi v Deobandi (mostly but not exclusively Hanafis). On the whole, Muslim society is a lot more unified than the Hindu society re:caste. Intresting but I won't say there is no divide. Hierarchy exists everywhere. As per generalization this lot is usually more radicalized than your average non Pasmanda ones. So all that Pasmanda outreach by OBC Samrat may as well be futile. coffee_rules 1
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