AuxiliA Posted March 28 Posted March 28 49 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Commenting on the part in bold: Muslims do not receive more perks. Can you provide some empirical data to substantiate your point? The groups that get the most in terms of freebees and favourable politics are the backwards castes. Both in terms of total benefit accrued and in terms of per capita benefit. What we get as perks are actually harmful and parochial organizations to mind our matters. Like the AIMPLB. Parochial and haven't done a thing for Muslims since forever. Like a separate Civil Code, which has only been detrimental to Muslims. Like the now abolished Haj subsidy, which was a bailout package for Air India and so on. Also BJP = Development is a narrative that BJP and its supporters want to peddle. Not the case always. Orissa has managed to develop itself to a good degree vis a vis her neighbours without the BJP being in power. In Maharashtra, post the Bombay riots people didn't vote for the Shiv Sena (BJP was the minor ally at the time) for development. Muslims and other minorities can fully control their places of worship and are exempt from any tax. Hindu temples have to pay enormous taxes, but still can't fully control their temples. Minorities can setup their own religious education institutions (even receive govt support) unlike the Hindus. Constitutionally Hindus are treated as 2nd class citizens and are basically penalized for being the (fragmented) majority. A Hindu can't be treated as minority by the law in states like J&K and NE christian states. Many 'secular' state govts pay salaries to Mullahs/Madrassas even Churches (as a form of political appeasement). Nothing is done for Hindu community by the govt. Mind you Muslims and Christians have all the money n power in the world, Hindus don't. I fully agree with you that most of these 'minority' perks never reaches the majority poor muslims as they are gulped by the elites and the clergy. WAQF is prime ex of that. That's why I say that Modi govt, through his various direct benefit welfare schemes, has actually done more for poor muslims than any govt before him. Also, BJP govt doesn't discriminate while handing over these schemes as poor muslims receive more than a proportionate amount of it. All these so called secular parties mostly did was to just appease and bribe the Muslim feudal elites and Mullahs (most of whom are corrupt) who in turn always guaranteed them Muslim votes without question. Mariyam 1
coffee_rules Posted March 28 Posted March 28 6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Damn Pasmandas occupy 85% of Muslim population in India..... Global OBC Samrat might be onto something here with Sougaat E Modi. GC Hindus and Non Pasmandas have tough days ahead in Vishwaguru land. Both groups should join forces and form a new party for their survival. BJP wooing Pasmandas is as credible as sanghis dreaming about a Akhand Bharat. Nahin honewala hain. Political power among Muslims is witht eh rich class who own the Mullahs, Deobandi, Barelvi, Maulvis who control the Pasmandas. Lone Wolf 1
coffee_rules Posted March 28 Posted March 28 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Yup. 70 years of voting for domination and conquest and the Sachar report places Muslims at the bottom of the heap. Strong arguement. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== Sachar report on Waqf amendments -> Why is it being opposed by Muslims? The Justice Rajindar Sachar Committee's 2006 report recommended reforms to Waqf boards in India. The report found that Waqf boards were inefficient and underutilized, and that state governments were often encroaching on Waqf land. The committee recommended ways to strengthen Waqf boards and improve their management. Recommendations Regulation: Regulate and improve the functioning of Mutawallis Records: Manage records efficiently Technical expertise: Include non-Muslim technical expertise in Waqf management Organizational reforms: Strengthen Waqf boards administratively Financial audit: Bring Waqf under a financial audit scheme Government officers: Appoint government officers with knowledge of Islamic law to deal with Waqf matters mishra and Mariyam 1 1
kepler37b Posted March 28 Posted March 28 10 hours ago, Mariyam said: Yup. 70 years of voting for domination and conquest and the Sachar report places Muslims at the bottom of the heap. Strong arguement. That is why they need sachar report to begin with. Had they concentrated on family control and education, they would have not needed that report.
kepler37b Posted March 28 Posted March 28 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== Sachar report on Waqf amendments -> Why is it being opposed by Muslims? The Justice Rajindar Sachar Committee's 2006 report recommended reforms to Waqf boards in India. The report found that Waqf boards were inefficient and underutilized, and that state governments were often encroaching on Waqf land. The committee recommended ways to strengthen Waqf boards and improve their management. Recommendations Regulation: Regulate and improve the functioning of Mutawallis Records: Manage records efficiently Technical expertise: Include non-Muslim technical expertise in Waqf management Organizational reforms: Strengthen Waqf boards administratively Financial audit: Bring Waqf under a financial audit scheme Government officers: Appoint government officers with knowledge of Islamic law to deal with Waqf matters They got the nation of Pakistan as their pure land. It is what they wanted. Why do they want to claim property in india? They can go and claim the land occupied by ghazi trademarked Pakistani army. mishra and AuxiliA 2
Mariyam Posted March 30 Posted March 30 On 3/28/2025 at 10:25 PM, kepler37b said: They got the nation of Pakistan as their pure land. It is what they wanted. Why do they want to claim property in india? They can go and claim the land occupied by ghazi trademarked Pakistani army. Of course! How dare Muslims have a statutory body for themselves?
kepler37b Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: Of course! How dare Muslims have a statutory body for themselves? They have police, courts, parliament and assemblies and election commission. Same as other indians. No need of an extra board for grabbing properties. Edited March 30 by kepler37b Pratik77 and Mariyam 1 1
jf1gp_1 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Of course! How dare Muslims have a statutory body for themselves? Lets not mix religion and ucc. I believe this country needs ucc. i also believe if we dont get ucc and farm reforms in this term of modi then neither will happen in next 20yrs. Mariyam 1
Mariyam Posted March 30 Posted March 30 7 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: Lets not mix religion and ucc. I believe this country needs ucc. i also believe if we dont get ucc and farm reforms in this term of modi then neither will happen in next 20yrs. I am all for the UCC. The presence of a Muslim Personal Law and more over the existence of a parochial body like the AIMPLB has been a curse on the Muslim society. When have I ever said otherwise?
randomGuy Posted March 30 Posted March 30 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: I am all for the UCC. The presence of a Muslim Personal Law and more over the existence of a parochial body like the AIMPLB has been a curse on the Muslim society. When have I ever said otherwise? I hope we adopt the beautiful concept of mehr in the UCC and abolish all divorce and alimony related laws from the supposed future UCC to be followed by all religions. Mariyam 1
randomGuy Posted March 30 Posted March 30 @Mariyam i thought mehr as a concept is quite good. Best thing is that everything is pre-decided as a signed contract, what will women get in case of a divorce etc...Are there flaws here which you see which is why you amused at my post? Pls share. Mariyam and rangeelaraja 2
Mariyam Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, randomGuy said: @Mariyam i thought mehr as a concept is quite good. Best thing is that everything is pre-decided as a signed contract, what will women get in case of a divorce etc...Are there flaws here which you see which is why you amused at my post? Pls share. I chuckled because you wanted to remove alimony. So a wife can ask for alimony even if the husband has paid the pre-decided amount that is to be paid in case of a divorce. The wife can simply say that the amount isn't enough for sustenance and seek further alimony. The mahr doesn't preclude the wife from asking for more. randomGuy 1
rangeelaraja Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, randomGuy said: @Mariyam i thought mehr as a concept is quite good. Best thing is that everything is pre-decided as a signed contract, what will women get in case of a divorce etc...Are there flaws here which you see which is why you amused at my post? Pls share. Yes, in a way, Mehr is like a reverse dowry — which is how it should be, especially when women are not allowed to pursue a career after marriage. I’ve had female colleagues from the South share how their families were financially drained by the groom’s side, even in so-called “love marriages.” Telangana and Andhra Pradesh seem to have some of the worst cases when it comes to such practices randomGuy 1
randomGuy Posted March 31 Posted March 31 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: I chuckled because you wanted to remove alimony. So a wife can ask for alimony even if the husband has paid the pre-decided amount that is to be paid in case of a divorce. The wife can simply say that the amount isn't enough for sustenance and seek further alimony. The mahr doesn't preclude the wife from asking for more. Today the women in the city are 1. increasingly becoming part of the workforce 2. Also get freebies from govt. 3. Mehr is hers but childcare can be additional(as in the US). A divorced husband doesn't want to pay for his bad divorced wife. But for childcare, he will pay. But childcare should not be high if husband is earning a lot. 10-20k pm is sufficient till the child becomes an adult. Edited March 31 by randomGuy
randomGuy Posted April 1 Posted April 1 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/parliament-budget-session-live-updates-lok-sabha-rajya-sabha-waqf-amendment-bill-kiren-rijiju-amit-shah/liveblog/119838549.cms 'INDIA bloc unanimously decided to oppose Waqf Amendment Bill,' says KC Venugopal @Lone Wolf bhai tere idols as expected oppose kar rahe hain. Par tu kab inhe oppose karega? AuxiliA, mishra and Pratik77 3
mishra Posted April 2 Posted April 2 13 hours ago, randomGuy said: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/parliament-budget-session-live-updates-lok-sabha-rajya-sabha-waqf-amendment-bill-kiren-rijiju-amit-shah/liveblog/119838549.cms 'INDIA bloc unanimously decided to oppose Waqf Amendment Bill,' says KC Venugopal @Lone Wolf bhai tere idols as expected oppose kar rahe hain. Par tu kab inhe oppose karega? Vo bhai keval BJP aur Modi ko Hinduism ka gyan dene aataa hai. He supports “Congress” on everything including their stand on revocation of article 370.
AuxiliA Posted April 2 Posted April 2 20 hours ago, randomGuy said: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/parliament-budget-session-live-updates-lok-sabha-rajya-sabha-waqf-amendment-bill-kiren-rijiju-amit-shah/liveblog/119838549.cms 'INDIA bloc unanimously decided to oppose Waqf Amendment Bill,' says KC Venugopal The duplicity of the Opposition never ceases to amaze me. Happened with the Farm Bills too. randomGuy, Pratik77 and mishra 1 2
mishra Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Man. So all that is being debated and reversed is just what UPA added in 2013 to Waqf Board. Waqf donation by Non Muslims has happened in 2013 by UPA after Waqf Board took over Central Delhi properties including land on which current Parliament Building Stands. coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted April 2 Posted April 2 2 hours ago, AuxiliA said: The duplicity of the Opposition never ceases to amaze me. Happened with the Farm Bills too. Most of the amendements in this 2025 bill is from the Sachar Comittee report of 2005 when UPA-1 constituted that commission. mishra and AuxiliA 2
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