Bumrah's average dips below 20

[First class]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:31 PM, ash said:

Time will tell if the westerners will accept him as the GOAT of his era, or sideline him because of his different action, they did the same to Murali. 

Murali's action was illegal, was a chuker

Edited December 9, 2024 by First class

[First class]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:47 AM, Aiden said:

Would be greatest Indian fast bowler albiet a suspect action but hey if ICC don't have any problem with it why do cricket fans care.

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

[raki05]

1 hour ago, First class said:

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

Do you know the difference between a bend for throwing which all Pakistani bowlers in your entire history has and a reverse bend which is a stretch like a catapult which Bumrah has.

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, First class said:

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

Yeah yeah, whole cricketing world is scared of India and IPL.

Only the pious land of chucking, match fixing and ball tempering aka Pakistan is the one which is righteous here.

 

@sandeep Bro, are you sure is he the same poster for whom you asked me not to poke ?

[rkt.india]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:17 PM, Aiden said:

Would be greatest Indian fast bowler albiet a suspect action but hey if ICC don't have any problem with it why do cricket fans care.

Ghanta suspect action 

[New guy]

On 11/25/2024 at 6:01 AM, ash said:

Time will tell if the westerners will accept him as the GOAT of his era, or sideline him because of his different action, they did the same to Murali. 

No westerners has ever called his action suspect, it's only Pakistanis who cry 

 

And ICC has a clear exception for hyperextension in its rules

 

"This phenomenon, also known as hyperextension, can give the illusion of throwing. In the report it was seen that R. P. Singh maintained this negative angle throughout his delivery stride, while Akhtar sometimes bowled a quicker delivery by flexing this hyperextension. These actions are not considered to be chucking as they are due to the distinctive architecture of their elbows, possibly a congenital condition. Since these cricketers have no control over this hyperextension, any degree of hyperextension (past zero) is not included in the 15-degree extension tolerance threshold."

Edited December 9, 2024 by New guy

[New guy]

6 hours ago, First class said:

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

His arm bends BACKWARDS, which is the opposite of chucking.

 

It's impossible to chuck with a hyperextension because your arm cannot bend backwards, then straighten, then bend forward and then straighten again

 

You can try it yourself, try to bend your arm backwards at the elbow and then in the bowling action try to chuck. It's impossible 

[deathmonger]

6 hours ago, First class said:

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

Better than Wasim/Waqar/Imran

[vvvslaxman]

12 hours ago, New guy said:

His arm bends BACKWARDS, which is the opposite of chucking.

 

It's impossible to chuck with a hyperextension because your arm cannot bend backwards, then straighten, then bend forward and then straighten again

 

You can try it yourself, try to bend your arm backwards at the elbow and then in the bowling action try to chuck. It's impossible 

This is the basic thing Pakistanis cannot understand. It is way too complicated for them. That is why they brazenly indulge in ball biting, tampering ball ,pitch

[vvvslaxman]

19 hours ago, First class said:

No umpire in the world dare commenting on his suspected action with more than 15 degree bend , will be black listed for IPL. 

Wasim Akram and Waqar younis were massive chuckers going by your uninformed opinion

[First class]

13 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Better than Wasim/Waqar/Imran

That shows you very poor  knowledge of cricket . Wasim , Waqar and Imran had the cleanest bowling action and no one ever called them having suspected action . Particularly Waqar had a classic bowling action and is shown in many cricket academies in England . Yes Shoaib  Akhtar had suspected action due to hyperextension of his elbow joint , hence was  cleared by ICC . 

[First class]

55 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Wasim Akram and Waqar younis were massive chuckers going by your uninformed opinion

That shows you very poor  knowledge of cricket . Wasim , Waqar and Imran had the cleanest bowling action and no one ever called them having suspected action . Particularly Waqar had a classic bowling action and is shown in many cricket academies in England . Yes Shoaib  Akhtar had suspected action due to hyperextension of his elbow joint , hence was  cleared by ICC . 

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, First class said:

That shows you very poor  knowledge of cricket . Wasim , Waqar and Imran had the cleanest bowling action and no one ever called them having suspected action . Particularly Waqar had a classic bowling action and is shown in many cricket academies in England . Yes Shoaib  Akhtar had suspected action due to hyperextension of his elbow joint , hence was  cleared by ICC . 

 

Sorry you are biased since they are pakistanis. they both were chucking. WHy didn't they go for bio mechanical tesing?

[First class]

On 11/28/2024 at 12:26 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Damien Fleming here is dissecting Bumrah's action 3 years back. Same thing Wasim Akram also repeated few days back.

 

I didn't initiated this topic of Bumra's suspected action , but someone posted this picture showing the bend in Bumbra's bowling arm . But, unlike many of you , I'm a true followers of cricket and don't think Bumra is a chucker and I think he genuinely has this hyperextension in elbow joint and he cannot keep his elbow staring , even if he tries that . But the question is why Shoaib Akhtar with similar issue was first called for suspected action and only to be cleared by ICC after a proper investigation , not Bumrah, thanks to the power BCCI possesses. And I greatly appreciated Bumbra's skill and I admire him as the best all format bowler at the moment and I'm not jealous of his achievements . Some of you should also show some heart and sportsman spirit and should appreciate the phenomenal bowlers Imran , Wasim and Waqar were and not always trying to find some way to downplay them . 

[First class]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Sorry you are biased since they are pakistanis. they both were chucking. WHy didn't they go for bio mechanical tesing?

Why Malcom Marshal never had bio-mechaniacl testing done ? seriously some posts here like yours are so substandard , gives me a headache. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, First class said:

Why Malcom Marshal never had bio-mechaniacl testing done ? seriously some posts here like yours are so substandard , gives me a headache. 

substandard posts will be met with substandard posts. Same thing Pakistanis did after Chuckmal was chucked out for chucking They projected onto Ashwin calling him a chucker.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, First class said:

I didn't initiated this topic of Bumra's suspected action , but someone posted this picture showing the bend in Bumbra's bowling arm . But, unlike many of you , I'm a true followers of cricket and don't think Bumra is a chucker and I think he genuinely has this hyperextension in elbow joint and he cannot keep his elbow staring , even if he tries that . But the question is why Shoaib Akhtar with similar issue was first called for suspected action and only to be cleared by ICC after a proper investigation , not Bumrah, thanks to the power BCCI possesses. And I greatly appreciated Bumbra's skill and I admire him as the best all format bowler at the moment and I'm not jealous of his achievements . Some of you should also show some heart and sportsman spirit and should appreciate the phenomenal bowlers Imran , Wasim and Waqar were and not always trying to find some way to downplay them . 

Akhtar played in an era where many bowlers were tested and reported. ICC bend the rules for Murlidharan and in process tested many bowlers across the world. Even Bhajji was tested. That was a POC period you can call it...it's only by 2008-09 ICC itself understood what comes under chucking and what not.

 

Regarding Pakistani bowlers, I have not ever met any poster here on ICF who don't regard Akram as a great bowler.

 

For Imran, his acceptance of using bottle caps in a meaningless domestic county game raises suspicion if he did the same in international games as well.

Waqar's performance too took a nosedive the moment ICC became strict on ball tempering after Imran's revelation in 1994.

 

Also, not to mention Pakistanis always try to overhype their bowlers. Every new left arm bowler is Wasim Akram, every right arm bowler is Waqar Younis...and when these new bowlers are pasted and found as mediocre, it hits the legacy of OG's as well.

[New guy]

5 hours ago, First class said:

But the question is why Shoaib Akhtar with similar issue was first called for suspected action and only to be cleared by ICC after a proper investigation , not Bumrah, thanks to the power BCCI possesses. 

ICC didn't know about hyperextension during akhtars time. In fact it was BECAUSE of akhtar getting tested they changed the rule and allow hyperextension 

 

ICC got a team of scientists to test akhtar and bowlers like RP Singh. The scientists told them this is hyperextension and it's natural and cannot be controlled 

 

After that ICC changed rules to allow hyperextension. Which is why today bowlers with hyperextension are not tested. Here's the text from the testing

 

In a report by scientists commissioned by the ICC it was shown that Pakistani bowler Shoaib Akhtar and Indian bowler R. P. Singh were seen to extend their elbow joints by a negative angle with respect to the upper arm. This phenomenon, also known as hyperextension, can give the illusion of throwing. In the report it was seen that R. P. Singh maintained this negative angle throughout his delivery stride, while Akhtar sometimes bowled a quicker delivery by flexing this hyperextension. These actions are not considered to be chucking as they are due to the distinctive architecture of their elbows, possibly a congenital condition. Since these cricketers have no control over this hyperextension, any degree of hyperextension (past zero) is not included in the 15-degree extension tolerance threshold

 

Hope it's clear why ICC no longer tests bowlers with hyperextension 

Edited December 10, 2024 by New guy

[deathmonger]

10 hours ago, First class said:

That shows you very poor  knowledge of cricket . Wasim , Waqar and Imran had the cleanest bowling action and no one ever called them having suspected action . Particularly Waqar had a classic bowling action and is shown in many cricket academies in England . Yes Shoaib  Akhtar had suspected action due to hyperextension of his elbow joint , hence was  cleared by ICC . 

I am talking as bowler.

 

All 3 were massive ball tamperers hence their relatively mediocre bowling averages away from home (25ish or more vs 20ish at home).

 

All of them are Hazlewood/Gillespie level bowlers in actuality.

 

Wasim/Waqar combined won only two matches in Aus and SA in their lifetime and have 0 5 fers in thsoe wins.

 

Siraj has won 5 already and has 2 5fers (Gabba 2021/CapeTown 2024)

Edited December 10, 2024 by deathmonger

[Majestic]

Bumrah needs to produce 3-4 memorable series at home to go down as a top 10 fast bowler level.

 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Majestic