lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 We might have a situation where the side that got thrashed is going to the game with just one injury induced change and the winning side changes its batting personnel and order, bowling and captaincy so with a completely different combination all round. In my opinion, they should just bring in Gill and Rohit for Padikkal and Jurel and retain the batting order from Perth otherwise. They can go with the same bowling..there is no reason to mess with it unless there is an injury issue. tweaker and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
deepdynamo Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Rahul-Jaiswal confirmed as openers. Rohit will bat at 5/6. Gill back at 3. Jaiswal KL Gill Kohli Pant Rohit Washi Reddy Rana Boom Siraj Vicks57 1 Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Good to see the logical move has been made to retain the opening pair. I had the misfortune of listening to some of the Indian media discussions about the team. The consensus seems to be a push for massive changes to bowling as well ( Ashwin for Sundar, Akashdeep for Harshit) etc. Some of them are asking for Shami to be flown in urgently. It is frankly bizzare that they don't understand the concept of a settled best 11 ( injury permitting) for such a crucial tour especially when a team has just won an improbable test outplaying the locals. There is an urge to chop and change after every game just because a big name is available. I hope the TM resists this. Most other teams don't have this problem as they don't have such a pool of players available. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 @Austin 3:!6 it's that time of the week. Who is opening the 2nd match thread? Link to comment
Stan AF Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 KL Rahul will open in Adelaide, I'll bat somewhere in the middle: Rohit Sharma https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/india-in-australia/kl-rahul-will-open-in-adelaide-ill-bat-somewhere-in-the-middle-rohit-sharma/articleshow/115997820.cms Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 31 minutes ago, lemsip said: The consensus seems to be a push for massive changes to bowling as well ( Ashwin for Sundar, Akashdeep for Harshit) etc. Some of them are asking for Shami to be flown in urgently. A change in one of the bowlers isn't that bad of an idea; we definitely need someone after Bumrah/Siraj, and if we have to rely on Sundar for that, I wouldn't be too confident in that bowling lineup! More than batting, we need to strengthen our bowling here, as the assumption is Gill/RGS would do better than SS/Jurel from the last test. It's also highly unlikely that Bumrah/Siraj repeat that Perth performance here. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 NKR and Harshit have to bat well especially Harshit. Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 27 minutes ago, R!TTER said: A change in one of the bowlers isn't that bad of an idea; we definitely need someone after Bumrah/Siraj, and if we have to rely on Sundar for that, I wouldn't be too confident in that bowling lineup! More than batting, we need to strengthen our bowling here, as the assumption is Gill/RGS would do better than SS/Jurel from the last test. It's also highly unlikely that Bumrah/Siraj repeat that Perth performance here. Sundar outbowled Ashwin ( and all other bowlers) by a distance in the last series and this is not a pitch where the spinner is going to have anything other than a supporting role. Ashwin was also played more easily and was very expensive by his old standards in the last series for which there is available data. You can keep shuffling the bowlers ad infinitum but most champion sides play a settled XI. India went in with the lineup they thought was their best side in seam friendly conditions at Perth, won the match handily and yet people want it to start again from scratch in Adelaide which is also going to favour pace. I find that hard to understand. I think the data suggests in their current form, Ashwin for Sundar will weaken both the batting and bowling. If they thought Ashwin is the stronger spinner in these conditions, they would have played him in Perth. Edited December 5, 2024 by lemsip Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) I didn't advocate for Ashwin, but Jadeja could be a better option if the pitch will flatten out like Perth on days 2-4, although this TM would still prefer Sundar for his batting. For me, the bowling lineup is very thin, & we would need to depend a lot on conditions to take wickets here! Right now batting seems to be the slightly better suit for us. Edited December 5, 2024 by R!TTER Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, R!TTER said: I didn't advocate for Ashwin, but Jadeja could be a better option if the pitch will flatten out like Perth on days 2-4, although this TM would still prefer Sundar for his batting. For me, the bowling lineup is very thin, & we would need to depend a lot on conditions to take wickets here! Right now batting seems to be the slightly better suit for us. I think you have to bear in mind that the weakness for the Aussies is their batting which has been knocked over by the liked of Mir Hamza and Co. India have a bunch of new pacers but they are playing well enough to more than cope with the current Aussie batting especially in support of Bumrah. This is not going to be a wicket where Jadeja is going to get much help. He will do a holding job at best which Sundar can do as well. I don't think getting rid of Sundar for Jaddu will make any difference and it would be very harsh on a young player who has been performing well. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 6 minutes ago, lemsip said: He will do a holding job at best which Sundar can do as well. Nope, at least in so far as Oz is concerned RJ is pretty good away from home - Opposition team Australia Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Involving any of the players R Ashwin (IND) or RA Jadeja (IND) or Washington Sundar (IND) Qualifications innings bowled in greater than or equal to 4 Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 RA Jadeja 2018-2021 4 6 126.3 34 305 14 4/62 5/127 21.78 2.41 54.2 0 0 R Ashwin 2018-2021 4 8 221.0 41 495 18 4/55 6/149 27.50 2.23 73.6 0 0 Washington Sundar 2021-2024 2 4 66.0 8 218 6 3/89 4/169 36.33 3.30 66.0 0 0 Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Nope, at least in so far as Oz is concerned RJ is pretty good away from home - Opposition team Australia Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Involving any of the players R Ashwin (IND) or RA Jadeja (IND) or Washington Sundar (IND) Qualifications innings bowled in greater than or equal to 4 Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 RA Jadeja 2018-2021 4 6 126.3 34 305 14 4/62 5/127 21.78 2.41 54.2 0 0 R Ashwin 2018-2021 4 8 221.0 41 495 18 4/55 6/149 27.50 2.23 73.6 0 0 Washington Sundar 2021-2024 2 4 66.0 8 218 6 3/89 4/169 36.33 3.30 66.0 0 0 Jadeja was not selected in the team at Adelaide in either of the previous 2 tours of Australia. Sydney and Melbourne are the Australian conditions that suit him the best. Link to comment
neel roy Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, cowboysfan said: NKR and Harshit have to bat well especially Harshit. India has elongated its batting line up which paid dividends. We were 73/6. We then scored more than double. People dont realise. But thats where we won the match. Last 4 wickets for 77 runs in that pitch. Edited December 5, 2024 by neel roy cowboysfan and putrevus 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 6 minutes ago, lemsip said: Jadeja was not selected in the team at Adelaide in either of the previous 2 tours of Australia. Sydney and Melbourne are the Australian conditions that suit him the best. And why is that? If Ashwin can do well here why can't RJ, remember he also has a 6fer in Durban all those years back? As for control you're saying Sundar has better control than Jadeja Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Just now, R!TTER said: And why is that? If Ashwin can do well here why can't RJ, remember he also has a 6fer in Durban all those years back? As for control you're saying Sundar has better control than Jadeja Anything is possible in theory. The fact is Jadeja has been selected only in Melbourne and Sydney on the previous 2 winning tours to Australia. If Jadeja is obviously the better spin choice regardless of the surface then he would have also been played at Perth. and yes, I do think Sundar offers adequate control and accuracy on these surfaces and he bowled OK and did his job in Perth. D/N Games in Adelaide have been won by fast bowlers and if India were really nervous about their bowling, they should bring in yet another pacer ( which would not make much sense in my view). Sundar vs Jadeja would not make much difference to this match whichever way they go. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Sundar was picked because of his batting; I think that's pretty clear. Now that we've theoretically strengthened our batting, with RGS/Gill we have the option to slightly weaken it lower down the order but also potentially make our bowling better—that's the way I'd go, but not necessarily how this TM thinks. Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 18 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Sundar was picked because of his batting; I think that's pretty clear. Now that we've theoretically strengthened our batting, with RGS/Gill we have the option to slightly weaken it lower down the order but also potentially make our bowling better—that's the way I'd go, but not necessarily how this TM thinks. Like I said, if the objective was to improve the bowling to give more wicket taking options at Adelaide in a D/N game, the way to do that would be to add another seamer. Substituting Sundar with Jadeja adds nothing to the effectiveness of the bowling attack in these conditions. Bear in mind 12 of the 20 Australian wickets that fell in the previous game were not taken by Bumrah. The others did a prretty good job too so it is not as if they relied only on one player to dismiss the Aussies for 104 and 238, We will find out soon what happens. I just hope they resist any urge to tinker for the heck of it. I actually think if there are in a tinkering mood, they are more likely to play Ashwin than they are to play Jadeja in these conditions. I think that would be a mistake but it the spinner is unlikely to radically effect the game. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Jadeja is a better player overall, but as a combination of bat/field/bowl, there's no one in the squad who comes close. The only reason he was dropped here was because of his batting in India vs. NZ. As for playing another seamer, why do you need 5 of them? Adelaide will need a spinner, especially if the game goes to at least day 2, session 2, when the pitch could be flat & the ball old. Link to comment
lemsip Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: The only reason he was dropped here was because of his batting in India vs. NZ. This is his third tour to Australia and he has never been selected for any tests outside of Melbourne and Sydney. That's been the team strategy for using him in Australia and they have won the last 2 series with that approach. I cannot see that changing now. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 He was injured/unfit for Adelaide test, in the 2020/21 tour, & broke his hand in Sydney. So no that's factually incorrect. With Ravindra Jadeja already struggling with a hamstring injury and concussion, India could do better than to have to cotton-wool their only experienced spinner. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/aus-vs-ind-2020-pink-ball-warm-up-takeaways-will-india-go-with-an-all-pace-attack-in-adelaide-1243530 Link to comment
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