Indian team for 2nd D/N test at Adelaide

[putrevus]

21 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Jadeja for Sundar. Ashwin's batting is down in doldrums

We need more wicket taking option than batting given the fast bowlers we have, you cannot expect Bumrah to take 8 wickets every match.

 

Ashwin still can hold one end up while chipping in with few wickets.

 

Jadeja is not a bad option but can he hold one end up and attack their lefties..

[Number]

The way they kept bowling Sundar, I don't think they are going to drop him. 

His contribution with the bat too yesterday was crucial, calmed things down when we lost wickets in a bunch. Don't think Jadeja or Ashwin are like "significantly better" than him as bowler at the moment.

 Rohit prefers experience though.

Edited November 25 by Number

[lemsip]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We need more wicket taking option than batting given the fast bowlers we have, you cannot expect Bumrah to take 8 wickets every match.

 

In a day/night game at Adelaide, an extra wicket taking option has to come by adding another pacer not a spinner who will likely be as ineffective as Lyon was on this surface for the Aussies and the day/night test at Adelaide in 2021. This is where the 36 all out fiasco happened after all where India collapsed vs pace. Ashwin did take wickets in that game for India though so could be a case for bringing him in for Sundar but the Aussie pace heavy approach was what won the game for them on that venue.

 

Ironically people are ok with the winning side goes in with a radically changed squad with changes to their batting, bowling and captaincy while the side that has been thrashed will more than likely go in unchanged !

[Lord]

20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We need more wicket taking option than batting given the fast bowlers we have, you cannot expect Bumrah to take 8 wickets every match.

 

Ashwin still can hold one end up while chipping in with few wickets.

 

Jadeja is not a bad option but can he hold one end up and attack their lefties..

He can get righties. Head loves spin anyway

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, lemsip said:

In a day/night game at Adelaide, an extra wicket taking option has to come by adding another pacer not a spinner who will likely be as ineffective as Lyon was on this surface for the Aussies and the day/night test at Adelaide in 2021. This is where the 36 all out fiasco happened after all where India collapsed vs pace. Ashwin did take wickets in that game for India though so could be a case for bringing him in for Sundar but the Aussie pace heavy approach was what won the game for them on that venue.

 

Ironically people are ok with the winning side goes in with a radically changed squad with changes to their batting, bowling and captaincy while the side that has been thrashed will more than likely go in unchanged !

Ashwin was very good in that test in 2021, he was the leading wicket taker for India in that test.He out bowled Lyon by a mile in that series.

 

He was as instrumental in India winning that series as Pant. I don't know how much gas he has left in his tank but if he is fit , I would take him in heart beat.

 

Not wanting to change winning side just based on previous win is stupid .

Edited November 25 by putrevus

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

He can get righties. Head loves spin anyway

Personally I would prefer Ashwin but if Jadeja is playing , there is nothing to complain. 

 

Head needs to be put in his place.He is not that great as Indians have made him .One bouncer that too wide was enough  yesterday.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Personally I would prefer Ashwin but if Jadeja is playing , there is nothing to complain. 

 

Head needs to be put in his place.He is not that great as Indians have made him .One bouncer that too wide was enough  yesterday.

 

In pink ball Test I feel we need batting depth. Jadeja can provide that more than Ash

[lemsip]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Not wanting to change winning side just based on previous win is stupid .

Not as stupid as changing a winning strategy when there has been no new development and just because you get the urge to tinker. 

If the TM shared your view of Ashwin based on his current form, they would have selected him ahead of Sundar for the Perth test. They did not so it is not clear to me why they would suddenly start changing the team.

The best judge of whether the current Ashwin is bowling well at the moment is the management. Obviously they are currently concluding that he's not the top pick as the spinner on pace bowling friendly decks like Perth and potentially Adelaide. I'm sure they are all aware of his stats from 3 years ago.

Edited November 25 by lemsip

[sandeep]

35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin was very good in that test in 2021, he was the leading wicket taker for India in that test.He out bowled Lyon by a mile in that series.

 

He was as instrumental in India winning that series as Pant. I don't know how much gas he has left in his tank but if he is fit , I would take him in heart beat.

 

Not wanting to change winning side just based on previous win is stupid .

we were playing a bowler short in T1, and Boom's brilliance covered it up. 

 

Every day is not going to be Sunday in terms of getting the right conditions and getting Aus to collapse.  We need to shore up the bowling for T2.  Batting will automatically get stronger with Paddikal getting replaced anyway.  Jurel should be swapped out with a bowler - if Jaddu replaces him, its not even a batting downgrade.  If Ash does, its also not that much of a downgrade.  Don't forget with Reddy's inclusion, the lower order already gets an injection of strength, and Harshit reportedly can bat decent as well.

 

Stupidity to spout useless cliches like 'don't change winning combo'.  Test cricket is a chess match, and matchups, particularly relative to conditions, in order to ensure that we give ourselves the best chance of taking 20 wickets, along with not exhausting our best bowlers for the remaining of the series - these things decide team selection.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

we were playing a bowler short in T1, and Boom's brilliance covered it up. 

 

Every day is not going to be Sunday in terms of getting the right conditions and getting Aus to collapse.  We need to shore up the bowling for T2.  Batting will automatically get stronger with Paddikal getting replaced anyway.  Jurel should be swapped out with a bowler - if Jaddu replaces him, its not even a batting downgrade.  If Ash does, its also not that much of a downgrade.  Don't forget with Reddy's inclusion, the lower order already gets an injection of strength, and Harshit reportedly can bat decent as well.

 

Stupidity to spout useless cliches like 'don't change winning combo'.  Test cricket is a chess match, and matchups, particularly relative to conditions, in order to ensure that we give ourselves the best chance of taking 20 wickets, along with not exhausting our best bowlers for the remaining of the series - these things decide team selection.

Both Sundar and Jadeja together?

 

Jurel has shown good temperament in Eng series and A game, maybe one more game

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

we were playing a bowler short in T1, and Boom's brilliance covered it up. 

 

Every day is not going to be Sunday in terms of getting the right conditions and getting Aus to collapse.  We need to shore up the bowling for T2.  Batting will automatically get stronger with Paddikal getting replaced anyway.  Jurel should be swapped out with a bowler - if Jaddu replaces him, its not even a batting downgrade.  If Ash does, its also not that much of a downgrade.  Don't forget with Reddy's inclusion, the lower order already gets an injection of strength, and Harshit reportedly can bat decent as well.

 

Stupidity to spout useless cliches like 'don't change winning combo'.  Test cricket is a chess match, and matchups, particularly relative to conditions, in order to ensure that we give ourselves the best chance of taking 20 wickets, along with not exhausting our best bowlers for the remaining of the series - these things decide team selection.

India should be last team to spout that nonsense, don't change the winning combo after their humilations in past.

 

2003 and 2023 finals were lost just due that stupidity. They kept playing useless players overlooking their contributions or match ups.

 

IMO India got away with murder in Perth.Everything worked in their favor to expect the same is beyond stupidity.

 

One thing is constant about Aussies, they are a resilient, they will give their best shot in T2. It is upto to India to counter it.

 

Lot of time is there to decide combination, there is practice match also. I would play both Jadeja and Ashwin in that match.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Should India go with 5 seamers including reddy?  Pink ball tests rarely favor spinners.

[Ultimate_Game]

Need to make 2 changes for the next Test...

 

1. Rohit for Paddikal with KL slotting in at 3 - almost like a 3rd opener.

 

2. One more pacer to share the load. We've to use Bumrah as a shock bowler so need another pacer to keep pressure on Aussies. Need to replace one batsman and Jurel may miss out even though I like him a lot. This is a long series and we need to keep our pacers fresh. Another pacer and continue to put pressure on Aussies at all times is likely to give a better return than another batsman. Reddy and Sundar along with Harshit are competent enough to support our batting.

[wanted_desi]

People really shouldn't compare Ashwin of 2021 with Ashwin of 2025. Ashwin averaged 41 with ball on doctored pitches made for spinners in NZ Series. He had the highest average among spinners from both squads. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[lemsip]

27 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Test cricket is a chess match, and matchups, particularly relative to conditions, in order to ensure that we give ourselves the best chance of taking 20 wickets, along with not exhausting our best bowlers for the remaining of the series - these things decide team selection.

This is all true but the conditions in Adelaide are pacer friendly. You are not going to improve the odds of taking 20 wickets by adding more spinners to your lineup. Like it or not, Bumrah will have to shoulder most of the load for taking wickets in this series. The combo of Siraj, Harshit supported by Reddy supplemented him well and if a need to bolster the bowling further is required then I'd be looking to add another pacer rather than a spinner. Akashdeep is the obvious candidate for Jurel  although the batting will get weakened. He can bowl long spells and keep control. The team only needs one spinner and there are no bad choices in Jadeja/Ashwin/Sundar  whoever is selected for this slot depending on the judgement of the team management. The wicket takers are not going to be the spinners so their main role is going to be a supporting one. In the previous series Sundar bowled with more control than Ashwin who leaked a lot of runs and I suspect thats why he got the nod as the offspin option for Perth.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, wanted_desi said:

People really shouldn't compare Ashwin of 2021 with Ashwin of 2025. Ashwin averaged 41 with ball on doctored pitches made for spinners in NZ Series. He had the highest average among spinners from both squads. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doctored pitches never helped Ashwin.Steven O keefe won Australia a test in Pune on bunsen burner 2017, Ashwin was not a factor there either. 

 

It was moronic from TM management to insist on those useless wickets against NZ. India is good enough to beat any team on decent wickets.Those stupid bunsen burners are destroying Indian batting and helping visiting teams.

 

 

Aussies tried to do Pune in Perth and it backfired on them too.Good teams don't need doctored pitches to beat other teams.

 

 

[cowboysfan]

Shami should  be in Australia right now, instead he is bowling in SMAT 

[Lord]

21 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Need to make 2 changes for the next Test...

 

1. Rohit for Paddikal with KL slotting in at 3 - almost like a 3rd opener.

 

2. One more pacer to share the load. We've to use Bumrah as a shock bowler so need another pacer to keep pressure on Aussies. Need to replace one batsman and Jurel may miss out even though I like him a lot. This is a long series and we need to keep our pacers fresh. Another pacer and continue to put pressure on Aussies at all times is likely to give a better return than another batsman. Reddy and Sundar along with Harshit are competent enough to support our batting.

need batting depth. 3+ Nitish is enough. Just give Nitish more overs than this game

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

we were playing a bowler short in T1, and Boom's brilliance covered it up. 

 

Every day is not going to be Sunday in terms of getting the right conditions and getting Aus to collapse.  We need to shore up the bowling for T2.  Batting will automatically get stronger with Paddikal getting replaced anyway.  Jurel should be swapped out with a bowler - if Jaddu replaces him, its not even a batting downgrade.  If Ash does, its also not that much of a downgrade.  Don't forget with Reddy's inclusion, the lower order already gets an injection of strength, and Harshit reportedly can bat decent as well.

 

Stupidity to spout useless cliches like 'don't change winning combo'.  Test cricket is a chess match, and matchups, particularly relative to conditions, in order to ensure that we give ourselves the best chance of taking 20 wickets, along with not exhausting our best bowlers for the remaining of the series - these things decide team selection.

 

Is Gill not returning for the 2nd test? If he and Sharma both return, they automatically replace Padikkal and Jurel. To bring in another bowler is going to be near-impossible.

[vvvslaxman]

If GIll comes back in he should replace KOhli from slips. Hope they are not hell bent on keeping Kohli there.