Indian team for 2nd D/N test at Adelaide

[Ultimate_Game]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

need batting depth. 3+ Nitish is enough. Just give Nitish more overs than this game

 

I think saving our bowlers will serve us better in the longer run. Having Akash Deep bowl at Adelaide under lights when the ball is doing something would give us much more value compared to another batsman. I say let's be aggressive and go for the kill.

 

To me the tradeoff is extra 30-40 runs which a batsman gets compared to the added pressure and no let up with an additional pacer. Even in this Test we started seeing India struggle a bit when Bumrah's intensity dropped. It's bound to happen in this long series and I would rather play Akash Deep (or Shami if fit) to share the load. IMO not letting up against this Aussie lineup will benefit us more than a batsman.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I think saving our bowlers will serve us better in the longer run. Having Akash Deep bowl at Adelaide under lights when the ball is doing something would give us much more value compared to another batsman. I say let's be aggressive and go for the kill.

 

To me the tradeoff is extra 30-40 runs which a batsman gets compared to the added pressure and no let up with an additional pacer. Even in this Test we started seeing India struggle a bit when Bumrah's intensity dropped. It's bound to happen in this long series and I would rather play Akash Deep (or Shami if fit) to share the load. IMO not letting up against this Aussie lineup will benefit us more than a batsman.

We got saved due to batting depth itself this game. Else it would have been another sub 100 score instead of 150

 

Akash should replace Harshit as his bowling is more suited to pink ball.

[sandeep]

22 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Is Gill not returning for the 2nd test? If he and Sharma both return, they automatically replace Padikkal and Jurel. To bring in another bowler is going to be near-impossible.

Then at that point one of Washi/Reddy needs to be swapped out and as much as I love Washi, I'd have to say he's the one to ride the bench.

[sandeep]

35 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Shami should  be in Australia right now, instead he is bowling in SMAT 

Folks keep thinking that Shami is test match fit when he's not.

 

Bowling 4 overs in SMAT is not anywhere near whats required for test match fitness.

 

Indian team knows Shami is almost impossible to play, but its fine to muddy the waters to create extra work for Aus data analysts and team think tank. 

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

We got saved due to batting depth itself this game. Else it would have been another sub 100 score instead of 150

 

Akash should replace Harshit as his bowling is more suited to pink ball.

 

Harshit did well and I wouldn't drop him. I would play all of them. My team would be...

 

Rohit

Jaiswal

Rahul

Kohli

Pant

Sundar/Jadeja

Nitish

Harshit

Akash Deep

Bumrah

Siraj

 

Yes, you play Sundar/Jadeja one spot higher but I would rather have more bowling firepower and back Sundar and Nitish to score few runs with a bit of help from Harshit and Akash Deep.

 

My fear is we'll overbowl Bumrah and he'll become ineffective for the last 2-3 Tests. Use Bumrah as a shock bowler and you can only do that if you have an extra pacer.

[sandeep]

54 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Should India go with 5 seamers including reddy?  Pink ball tests rarely favor spinners.

playing one of Washi/Jaddu is a no brainer given that both are almost top-6 caliber batters.   I would want 4 pacers and one spin allrounder if possible.  Shame that Jaiswal's legspin is at Marnus level at this point.  He was handy at u19 level.

[vvvslaxman]

India gets lucky with back up captains than the original captains.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Both Sundar and Jadeja together?

 

Jurel has shown good temperament in Eng series and A game, maybe one more game

Jurel is a great prospect, but if both Brohit and Gill are back, there's no space for him.  As good as he potentially is as a specialist bat, he isn't that much of an upgrade over either Jaddu or Washi, who also give you a very handy bowling option.

 

Don't forget, there's also the time management aspect of things, we need a spinner to bowl some quick overs to get the overs done in a day, without putting prressure on our pacers to 'hustle'.

[Lord]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Harshit did well and I wouldn't drop him. I would play all of them. My team would be...

 

Rohit

Jaiswal

Rahul

Kohli

Pant

Sundar/Jadeja

Nitish

Harshit

Akash Deep

Bumrah

Siraj

 

Yes, you play Sundar/Jadeja one spot higher but I would rather have more bowling firepower and back Sundar and Nitish to score few runs with a bit of help from Harshit and Akash Deep.

 

My fear is we'll overbowl Bumrah and he'll become ineffective for the last 2-3 Tests. Use Bumrah as a shock bowler and you can only do that if you have an extra pacer.

 

For that use Nitish more. Perhaps they didnt due to first game and 10 day Rest to Bumrah.

 

The matches are expected to short lived innings. They won't give patta again

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Lord said:

 

For that use Nitish more. Perhaps they didnt due to first game and 10 day Rest to Bumrah.

 

The matches are expected to short lived innings. They won't give patta again

 

Nitish is more like Mitch Marsh or Cam Green - a batting all-rounder which can give you a few overs. He can't be your stock bowler and give you 15-18 overs a day. This is the series to use all our pacers as we won't see better venues for pace bowling with Adelaide under lights with pink ball, followed by Gabba and a green seaming MCG. The only venue where we don't need an additional pacer is SCG.

 

I say unleash all the pacers. I would rather we attack than go defensive. Aus won't crumble everytime, and we need to have pacers if we have to bowl 100 overs an innings. With just 3 regular pacers, they'll struggle. I don't want to risk Bumrah. He needs to be protected and given more support.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Nitish is more like Mitch Marsh or Cam Green - a batting all-rounder which can give you a few overs. He can't be your stock bowler and give you 15-18 overs a day. This is the series to use all our pacers as we won't see better venues for pace bowling with Adelaide under lights with pink ball, followed by Gabba and a green seaming MCG. The only venue where we don't need an additional pacer is SCG.

 

I say unleash all the pacers. I would rather we attack than go defensive. Aus won't crumble everytime, and we need to have pacers if we have to bowl 100 overs an innings. With just 3 regular pacers, they'll struggle. I don't want to risk Bumrah. He needs to be protected and given more support.

 

3 pacers plus Nitish to share workload is more than enough. Hes not frontline seamer to require 15-18 overs a day. 

 

Better conditions for seam means we don't need 4. 3 will remain fresh as innings will be short. You need extra pacer on pattas where bowling is expected to last fpr 100 overs.

 

We won't be needing to bowl 100 overs unless its a patta. In case that happens in mid Test, Use Reddy and spin to manage workload

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

3 pacers plus Nitish to share workload is more than enough. Hes not frontline seamer to require 15-18 overs a day. 

 

Better conditions for seam means we don't need 4. 3 will remain fresh as innings will be short. You need extra pacer on pattas where bowling is expected to last fpr 100 overs.

 

We won't be needing to bowl 100 overs unless its a patta. In case that happens in mid Test, Use Reddy and spin to manage workload

 

I want to go with an extra pacer as Akash Deep will contribute more with the ball than a batsman (Jurel or Paddikal) with the bat in seam friendly conditions. I want India to make a bold move but don't think it'll happen. Rohit is a pretty defensive captain and will go with safe picks.

 

I don't want Bumrah to bowl too many overs (14 or so at max in a day) and also want to provide additional cover in case Siraj has a bad day, which happens quite often with him. Reddy can't cover for that and I would rather have Akash Deep to keep the pressure on Aussies with his line & length. Akash is the sort of bowler who can snap wkts if the ball or pitch is doing something and would be perfect for Adelaide with pink ball, Gabba and MCG. Also don't want to drop Harshit as he had a pretty decent debut and is someone who can contribute both with the bat and the ball.

[lemsip]

47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If GIll comes back in he should replace KOhli from slips. Hope they are not hell bent on keeping Kohli there.

You don't really want a guy with a recently franctured finger fielding in the slips in his first game back especially with the likes of Bumrah operating. It takes time to get the confidence back and cannot afford any missed chances in that position.

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, lemsip said:

You don't really want a guy with a recently franctured finger fielding in the slips in his first game back especially with the likes of Bumrah operating. It takes time to get the confidence back and cannot afford any missed chances in that position.

 

Then don't play Gill and put Jurel in the slips. I would feel a lot better with youngsters in the slips than Rohit and Kohli. They drop too many.

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, lemsip said:

You don't really want a guy with a recently franctured finger fielding in the slips in his first game back especially with the likes of Bumrah operating. It takes time to get the confidence back and cannot afford any missed chances in that position.

 

I am not sure anyone can drop 47 catches in the last 5 year like Kohli. lol Even the injured one

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

3 pacers plus Nitish to share workload is more than enough. Hes not frontline seamer to require 15-18 overs a day. 

 

Better conditions for seam means we don't need 4. 3 will remain fresh as innings will be short. You need extra pacer on pattas where bowling is expected to last fpr 100 overs.

 

We won't be needing to bowl 100 overs unless its a patta. In case that happens in mid Test, Use Reddy and spin to manage workload

 

Fly in Hardik. Still 10 days left.

 

Play him in place of Jurel. 

 

Proper, hit the deck, accurate, fast-medium pacer. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Fly in Hardik. Still 10 days left.

 

Play him in place of Jurel. 

 

Proper, hit the deck, accurate, fast-medium pacer. 

 

He's not interested in Tests else would have been picked in 1st squad

[lemsip]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Proper, hit the deck, accurate, fast-medium pacer. 

That is true but he has not played a test in 6 years. He has clearly said his body cannot handle test cricket and he is very likely to break down midway through a 5 day game. He certainly wouldn't last a long test series especially on Australian grounds which are hard and the days can be really hot and tiring. 

 

it is a shame since i saw him live in 2018 in England and he was an incredible all round talent to have in the team. Sadly, that was the last time he played tests and his injury record hasn't improved since .

[express bowling]

37 minutes ago, lemsip said:

That is true but he has not played a test in 6 years. He has clearly said his body cannot handle test cricket and he is very likely to break down midway through a 5 day game. He certainly wouldn't last a long test series especially on Australian grounds which are hard and the days can be really hot and tiring. 

 

it is a shame since i saw him live in 2018 in England and he was an incredible all round talent to have in the team. Sadly, that was the last time he played tests and his injury record hasn't improved since .

 

 

Hardik is playing and bowling in ODIs.

 

If he is given 10 overs a day in tests, he is likely to survive and this will help manage the three pacers' workload as Nitish is there too. 

 

 

[lemsip]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

If he is given 10 overs a day in tests, he is likely to survive and this will help manage the three pacers' workload as Nitish is there too. 

It's academic. He has repeatedly said he is not interested in playing tests. Better to focus on the talent pool that is actually available and let him focus on white ball which he wants to.