Bumrah's captaincy

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Actually bad captaincy is called out. Same way good captaincy should be credited. Bumrah did make some errors like giving an overly defensive field set when Sundar bowled. Almost all Indian captains use spinners as a defensive option overseas. Not offensive options. They are reluctant to give attacking fields even when a btasman like Starc bats.

Bumrah was far better than Rohit.

 

Going defensive with spinner in Aus is okay. Attack with pace

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bumrah was far better than Rohit.

 

Going defensive with spinner in Aus is okay. Attack with pace

 

One thing was Bumrah didn't wait for eternity to make the change. That southee partnership would not have happened if Bumrah had captained. Moron did not even bring Bumrah once until they completed the 100 partnership.

[Ultimate_Game]

Very impressive captaincy and listening to his post match interview and presser, he seems to be quite well spoken and a very mature person. Quite a difference from Rohit's "chalta hai" interviews which sometimes are more like a comedy show than an actual interview.

 

Says it all that BCCI and team management has no idea about man management & leadership and simply hand captaincy to the most senior player instead of the best candidate. IMO Rahane earlier and Bumrah now would've been a much better bet.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Very impressive captaincy and listening to his post match interview and presser, he seems to be quite well spoken and a very mature person. Quite a difference from Rohit's "chalta hai" interviews which sometimes are more like a comedy show than an actual interview.

 

Says it all that BCCI and team management has no idea about man management & leadership and simply hand captaincy to the most senior player instead of the best candidate. IMO Rahane earlier and Bumrah now would've been a much better bet.

 

Difference is Bumrah thinks. Rohit doesn't. Rohit is probably an easy going guy. But he doesn't think like a captain should.

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43 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Difference is Bumrah thinks. Rohit doesn't. Rohit is probably an easy going guy. But he doesn't think like a captain should.

 

Yup. Rohit has shown he's not adaptable. He has good man management skills but doesn't make tough decisions and takes the easy route of going with seniors.

 

In WT20 he continued to play the same combo. It worked out in the end thanks to Bumrah's brilliance but he didn't make any changes which were needed and kept out someone like Jaiswal out of the team.

 

Same against NZ in the recent home series. He couldn't read the pitch and conditions properly which happens quite frequently with Rohit. And he had no idea how to turn around things. Continuing to keep Jurel and Axar out of the team despite seeing first hand what they can do (as shown against Eng) showed that he can't make tough changes. He'll continue playing the same XI irrespective of conditions and doesn't admit to any mistakes, and doesn't pivot if needed.

Edited November 25 by Ultimate_Game

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2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Very impressive captaincy and listening to his post match interview and presser, he seems to be quite well spoken and a very mature person. Quite a difference from Rohit's "chalta hai" interviews which sometimes are more like a comedy show than an actual interview.

 

Says it all that BCCI and team management has no idea about man management & leadership and simply hand captaincy to the most senior player instead of the best candidate. IMO Rahane earlier and Bumrah now would've been a much better bet.

 

Without captaincy, Rohit may not even find place in the team. Overseas KL has done better than him

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Without captaincy, Rohit may not even find place in the team. Overseas KL has done better than him

 

Then drop him. Make Bumrah captain with Pant his deputy. It's not as if Rohit is Mike Brearly and deserves a spot in the team for his captaincy alone. Anyone can captain like him - pick the same XI and throw the ball to Bumrah when in trouble. And less said about his field sets, the better.

Edited November 25 by Ultimate_Game

[DeepSpace]

Making Boom the permanent kaptaan and kick the Motu out!

[Strangering]

The declaration on day 3 was gutsy. Bumrah seemed to thrive with the added responsibility of leading. 

 

That said, A LOT has to go right beyond just intentful captainship. Everything seems fantastic in a W.

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12 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Then drop him. Make Bumrah captain with Pant his deputy. It's not as if Rohit is Mike Brearly and deserves a spot in the team for his captaincy alone. Anyone can captain like him - pick the same XI and throw the ball to Bumrah when in trouble. And less said about his field sets, the better.

He was supposed to miss first 2 Tests. Moment we started doing welll, he flew back to Aus

[lemsip]

18 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Very impressive captaincy and listening to his post match interview and presser, he seems to be quite well spoken and a very mature person. Quite a difference from Rohit's "chalta hai" interviews which sometimes are more like a comedy show than an actual interview.

 

Agreed. The impressive thing for me is how articulate the Indian players are despite not being formally educated beyond class 12. Bumrah, Jaiswal and even Kohli have not had any formal education beyond that level yet are better spoken than most other players around the world.  Compared to Pakistanis the comparison is particularly  stark but they even speak better English than the mumblings from a lot of young England players !

Even Bambaiya Rohit can speak properly when needed despite having limited formal education. Jaiswal is the most impressive - his articulacy including this command of English is amazing considering his background. He has probably never studied it formally and has just picked up through exposure.

Edited November 26 by lemsip

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This was a perfect match, where Bumrah the bowler helped Bumrah the captain a lot. I don't think Indian bowlers ever picked up the slack of the batsmen like they did in Perth.

 

If this Bumrah the bowler had showed up in other important matches India would have had couple of more hardware in their bag.

 

The bowlers learnt a lot from Bangaluru test, where they never gave batsmen a chance to make a comeback.

Edited November 27 by putrevus

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

This was a perfect match, where Bumrah the bowler helped Bumrah the captain a lot. I don't think Indian bowlers ever picked up the slack of the batsmen like they did in Perth.

 

If this Bumrah the bowler had showed up in other important matches India would have had couple of more hardware in their bag.

 

The bowlers learnt a lot from Bangaluru test, where they never gave batsmen a chance to make a comeback.

 

Bowlers have always stepped up. We've been one of the top teams over the last decade thanks to Bumrah, Shami and our bowling. It's our batsmen who haven't stepped up. If our batting stars had stepped up even a couple of times, we end up with multiple tourneys. If they could match even someone like Gambhir, we wouldn't have gone trophy-less for a decade.

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On 11/26/2024 at 4:09 AM, lemsip said:

Agreed. The impressive thing for me is how articulate the Indian players are despite not being formally educated beyond class 12. Bumrah, Jaiswal and even Kohli have not had any formal education beyond that level yet are better spoken than most other players around the world.  Compared to Pakistanis the comparison is particularly  stark but they even speak better English than the mumblings from a lot of young England players !

Even Bambaiya Rohit can speak properly when needed despite having limited formal education. Jaiswal is the most impressive - his articulacy including this command of English is amazing considering his background. He has probably never studied it formally and has just picked up through exposure.

 

Australian media agree with that. They were going gaga over about his English fluency.

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1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Bowlers have always stepped up. We've been one of the top teams over the last decade thanks to Bumrah, Shami and our bowling. It's our batsmen who haven't stepped up. If our batting stars had stepped up even a couple of times, we end up with multiple tourneys. If they could match even someone like Gambhir, we wouldn't have gone trophy-less for a decade.

No they have not, if they had it would have been different story.

Edited November 27 by putrevus

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13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No they have not, if they had it would have been different story.

 

Happened nearly every tourney. The two most prominent ones are 2019 WC SF where we couldn't chase 239. And the next one is 2023 WC Final where batsmen only put up 240 on a patta. Expecting bowlers to come up with miracles in every knockout is not gonna work. Sometimes a batsman has to play like Head (2023 WC, 2023 WTC), Gambhir or Dhoni in a must win. None of our batters have done that.

[vvvslaxman]

37 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Happened nearly every tourney. The two most prominent ones are 2019 WC SF where we couldn't chase 239. And the next one is 2023 WC Final where batsmen only put up 240 on a patta. Expecting bowlers to come up with miracles in every knockout is not gonna work. Sometimes a batsman has to play like Head (2023 WC, 2023 WTC), Gambhir or Dhoni in a must win. None of our batters have done that.

 

Especially knowing well lights will take effect and they had to put up above par score. THey were batting like petrified cats. No fearlessness.

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12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Especially knowing well lights will take effect and they had to put up above par score. THey were batting like petrified cats. No fearlessness.

 

At least put 280-300 on board. Give bowlers something to work with. Rohit, no matter how much we blame him for his reckless shot, left India at 80/2 off 10 overs. That's not a poor start at all! Even if batsmen had scored at a rate of 5 rpo for the rest of 40 overs, we end up with 280, and if we score more at the death we end up with 300-320. Expecting batsmen to score at 5 an over on that much is not asking too much surely. But they couldn't and now we have fans of those batters blaming bowlers!

 

Same with 2019 WC SF. Batsmen need to chase 239 and all they had to do was see off the new ball. Even if we had been 20/1 off 10 overs, we win the match. But our so called stars couldn't do that. So what's the point of having these so called stars, Kings and Hitmans? If these stars don't show up when it matters, we can very well take any batter coz its not as if those stars are winning us tourneys and everything depends on bowlers.

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1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

At least put 280-300 on board. Give bowlers something to work with. Rohit, no matter how much we blame him for his reckless shot, left India at 80/2 off 10 overs. That's not a poor start at all! Even if batsmen had scored at a rate of 5 rpo for the rest of 40 overs, we end up with 280, and if we score more at the death we end up with 300-320. Expecting batsmen to score at 5 an over on that much is not asking too much surely. But they couldn't and now we have fans of those batters blaming bowlers!

 

Same with 2019 WC SF. Batsmen need to chase 239 and all they had to do was see off the new ball. Even if we had been 20/1 off 10 overs, we win the match. But our so called stars couldn't do that. So what's the point of having these so called stars, Kings and Hitmans? If these stars don't show up when it matters, we can very well take any batter coz its not as if those stars are winning us tourneys and everything depends on bowlers.

 

They either lack technique or temperament in crunch games. They just freeze.  I wish it was Rahul that got out instead of Kohli. Shreyas Iyer for all his fallacies doesn't bat like this. Imagine Jaiswal playing instead of SKY. Whole outcome would have been different. 

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

They either lack technique or temperament in crunch games. They just freeze.  I wish it was Rahul that got out instead of Kohli. Shreyas Iyer for all his fallacies doesn't bat like this. Imagine Jaiswal playing instead of SKY. Whole outcome would have been different. 

 

It has to be a mental thing. Happened way too many times and everywhere. SKY was an idiotic choice. My personal preference was Rinku who knows how to build an innings. He averages 49 in List A and 55 in FC. Plus he has already shown he has the temperament in T20s. So go for a specialist batter who has succeeded at domestic level rather than a slogger who has a poor domestic record in those formats.

 

I hope they learn their lessons for CT after seeing the success with the T20 team. Get Jaiswal in to open along with Rohit and Gill at 3 replacing Rohit. And go with multi-dimensional cricketers like Pant, Parag, Rinku, Nitish, Pandya, Axar. We should only look at playing 2-3 specialist bowlers - Bumrah, Varun C and probably Harshit or Akash Deep. That's about it. That means we bat till 8 and have plenty of bowling options along with batters who are aggressive.