Sambhal Temple /Masjid issue - Next Ayodhya

[bowl_out]

Most major mosques in India built during the Mughal era 200-400 years ago were built by razing down temples. What's the point of going after everything and claiming that there was a temple there previously?

 

That era was different when wars were fought as a show strength to determine who would rule and the ruler had ultimate control until he lost a war. 

 

We live in a different era of democracy now. It doesn't make any sense to undo what was done over 400 years ago. Instead, focus the efforts on renovating and maintaining 1000s of temples that are in poor shape across the country

[gattaca]

11 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Most major mosques in India built during the Mughal era 200-400 years ago were built by razing down temples. What's the point of going after everything and claiming that there was a temple there previously?

 

That era was different when wars were fought as a show strength to determine who would rule and the ruler had ultimate control until he lost a war. 

 

We live in a different era of democracy now. It doesn't make any sense to undo what was done over 400 years ago. Instead, focus the efforts on renovating and maintaining 1000s of temples that are in poor shape across the country

 

Well south India has lot of temples intact. North India lost all temples. They don’t even have one old temple. Again most of these temples are built in a specific place for a specific reason they are not built randomly. If you are truly religious then only you will understand. Again it not about just the temple it is about the location and importance. Do you also understand Congress didn’t allow any reclamation of temples when they were in power ? They have done this purely for political purposes. If some injustice is done 400 years ago shouldn’t it be corrected ? Isn’t Indian judiciary motto justice delayed denied ? Imagine all the people who lost their lives and families in defending these temples. We have done nothing to provide justice to them. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by gattaca

[mishra]

7 hours ago, gattaca said:

 

Well south India has lot of temples intact. North India lost all temples. They don’t even have one old temple. Again most of these temples are built in a specific place for a specific reason they are not built randomly. If you are truly religious then only you will understand. Again it not about just the temple it is about the location and importance. Do you also understand Congress didn’t allow any reclamation of temples when they were in power ? They have done this purely for political purposes. If some injustice is done 400 years ago shouldn’t it be corrected ? Isn’t Indian judiciary motto justice delayed denied ? Imagine all the people who lost their lives and families in defending these temples. We have done nothing to provide justice to them. 

Congress made a Act after Hindu Community wanted their temple in Ayodhya. So its a Act which was created under pressure and not well thought out with a minority government.

 

Now personally, I am not in favour of picking issue and restoring every temple but I can also understand the arguement and have sympathy towards Hindu faction when it says, why, its only them to accommodate their place of worship. ie if a argument is made that a temple can be relocated at a location away from the original location, why cant a mosque be relocated away from original temple location.

[coffee_rules]

21 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Most major mosques in India built during the Mughal era 200-400 years ago were built by razing down temples. What's the point of going after everything and claiming that there was a temple there previously?

 

That era was different when wars were fought as a show strength to determine who would rule and the ruler had ultimate control until he lost a war. 

 

We live in a different era of democracy now. It doesn't make any sense to undo what was done over 400 years ago. Instead, focus the efforts on renovating and maintaining 1000s of temples that are in poor shape across the country

They have got their Meccas and Vaticans secured. They won’t even let other religions near their holy places. Our holiest places Kashi, Mathura, Ayodhya , etc are desecrated by Islamists over the years. This is the Iconoclasm of Islamists done even till date ans part of  Islamist conquests all over the world . All the future looking post modernism lectures is only for Hindus after securing their religion. This is how modern narratives are set for Indians. Why build temples? Why not hospitals?  Why build nuclear weapons or go to the moon? Why not build schools or eradicate poverty first? 
 

Past glories is how modern societies are built, not on an uncorrected history just to show how weak we are. 
 

Having said that Hindus can’t pick every temple on which a mosque is built. We need to move on, but First, we need that fact acknowledged as part of history. No Muslim prayer to be continued on those sites and if it is a holy site for Hinus (Kashi, Mathura) , it should be road mapped for Hindu worship. Let ASI take control of any such Mosque that is a 100 years old . It’s not practical to rebuild 1000s of structures. 

 

On topic, Sambhal was declared a ASI site back in 1929. With appeasement from successive governments, Muslims(waqf)  have taken over the property and built modern structures to cover up and have barred access to even ASI. This order is a correction of that  task. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Setback for Hindus, SC interim order halts all surveys. Center has to reply to AC on PoW act. Fattu BJP will back down .

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Setback for Hindus, SC interim order halts all surveys. Center has to reply to AC on PoW act. Fattu BJP will back down .

Chutiya Supreme Court ke chutiya judges ka chutiya decision.

Sorry for bad words...but can't just digest their so called neutrality into everything.

[gattaca]

On 12/13/2024 at 7:27 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Chutiya Supreme Court ke chutiya judges ka chutiya decision.

Sorry for bad words...but can't just digest their so called neutrality into everything.

You can’t expect Supreme Court to pass judgement on everything. BJP is in power they should repeal places of worship act. They had majority three terms now why didn’t they repeal if Hindus are their vote bank. Congress did it because Muslims are their voter bank. 

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, gattaca said:

You can’t expect Supreme Court to pass judgement on everything. BJP is in power they should repeal places of worship act. They had majority three terms now why didn’t they repeal if Hindus are their vote bank. Congress did it because Muslims are their voter bank. 

BJP's top cadre is becoming weak and mediocre day by day.

Modi & Shah are far from what they talk.

 

At this moment only Yogi Adithyanath, Mohan Yadav & Hemanta Biswa Sarma has courage to speak truth and take some action. Even Chirag Paswan who is not a BJP leader is showing more passion that these two legends.

Edited December 22, 2024 by singhvivek141

[raki05]

On 12/13/2024 at 5:57 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Chutiya Supreme Court ke chutiya judges ka chutiya decision.

Sorry for bad words...but can't just digest their so called neutrality into everything.

Supreme court ko dekha nahi tha Nupur Sarma se public apology ki demand ke  liey and for atikur rahman who insulted hindu godess dint get even nameshake warning and still invited in debates.

[raki05]

8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

BJP's top cadre is becoming weak and mediocre day by day.

Modi & Shah are far from what they talk.

 

At this moment only Yogi Adithyanath, Mohan Yadav & Hemanta Biswa Sarma has courage to speak truth and take some action. Even Chirag Paswan who is not a BJP leader is showing more passion that these two legends.

Modi chach ko  uae se award batorney se fursat miley tab toh jis kangalu ne hilsa fish ki supply rok ddi thi un kangaluon , aaur jo daily hindus ko maar rahey hai un chutiyon ko chacha 2 cr andey bhijwaye the.

Edited December 23, 2024 by raki05

[coffee_rules]

19 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

BJP's top cadre is becoming weak and mediocre day by day.

Modi & Shah are far from what they talk.

 

At this moment only Yogi Adithyanath, Mohan Yadav & Hemanta Biswa Sarma has courage to speak truth and take some action. Even Chirag Paswan who is not a BJP leader is showing more passion that these two legends.

SC wants government to send its clarification on PoW act and they are asking more time, stuck in govt machinery! How long does it take to send its feedback, the act should be like 20 pages. Sudanshu Trivedi or anybody in BJP can study in a day. They just don’t have the time and effort and waiting for some election. Hindus are losing patience with BJP. Par batoge to katoge se hush hain abhi! 

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, raki05 said:

Supreme court ko dekha nahi tha Nupur Sarma se public apology ki demand ke  liey and for atikur rahman who insulted hindu godess dint get even nameshake warning and still invited in debates.

Isiliye usko Supreme Kotha bolte hain.

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, raki05 said:

Modi chach ko  uae se award batorney se fursat miley tab toh jis kangalu ne hilsa fish ki supply rok ddi thi un kangaluon , aaur jo daily hindus ko maar rahey hai un chutiyon ko chacha 2 cr andey bhijwaye the.

Modi chacha ko na jane kaun si bimari ne aa ghera hai....jis wajah se every Hindu voted for him, chacha uska 30% bhi nahi nikle.

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

SC wants government to send its clarification on PoW act and they are asking more time, stuck in govt machinery! How long does it take to send its feedback, the act should be like 20 pages. Sudanshu Trivedi or anybody in BJP can study in a day. They just don’t have the time and effort and waiting for some election. Hindus are losing patience with BJP. Par batoge to katoge se hush hain abhi! 

I have a feeling that within BJP cadre itself, there are many fringe elements which are itching to break away...they are quite at the moment coz Congress is in even worse state.

The moment we will have a strong and formidable opposition, these elements will break from BJP.

 

That's why a strong opposition is needed to keep BJP on track, but Congress and other opposition parties themselves are doing blunders after blunders that people don't see them as a viable option.

 

I just hope that once Modi calls it, he hand over the mantle to someone like Yogi who calls spade a spade.

He may be a polarising figure for certain groups...but those who follow him and his work, will understand that he is a no nonsense person and is a strict taskmaster. 

[coffee_rules]

Miffed with Mohan chacha too

12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Modi chacha ko na jane kaun si bimari ne aa ghera hai....jis wajah se every Hindu voted for him, chacha uska 30% bhi nahi nikle.

Miffed with Bhagwat phupha .  Who made him the custodian of Hindu issues. Ye log apne aap ko dharam ke thekedaar samajte hain!  It is not for even gurus to decide how to go about settling Masjid-Mandir issues. It has to be a societal decision.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/rss-chief-mohan-bhagwats-mandir-masjid-take-draws-major-dissent-from-seers/articleshow/116610356.cms

 

 

LUCKNOW: Seers' organisation Akhil Bharatiya Sant Samiti (AKSS) criticised on Monday RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's recent remarks cautioning against 'an unacceptable trend of wannabe Hindu leaders raking up temple-mosque disputes at various sites'.

Edited December 24, 2024 by coffee_rules

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Miffed with Mohan chacha too

Miffed with Bhagwat phupha .  Who made him the custodian of Hindu issues. Ye log apne aap ko dharam ke thekedaar samajte hain!  It is not for even gurus to decide how to go about settling Masjid-Mandir issues. It has to be a societal decision.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/rss-chief-mohan-bhagwats-mandir-masjid-take-draws-major-dissent-from-seers/articleshow/116610356.cms

 

 

LUCKNOW: Seers' organisation Akhil Bharatiya Sant Samiti (AKSS) criticised on Monday RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's recent remarks cautioning against 'an unacceptable trend of wannabe Hindu leaders raking up temple-mosque disputes at various sites'.

That's why sometimes I feel the abolishing of VHP was a wrong decision in every sense.

Modi during his tenure as GJ CM simply cut the wings of Pravin Togaria and made VHP redundant. Even Bajrang Dal's impact was cut down by large extend.

 

This is another reason why Yogi is not popular with Modi & Shah is because he has his front of Gorakhnath Math as well "Hindu Yuva Vahini", Yogi didn't care much about it once he became CM but after recent even in Parliament and then the internal cracks in UP BJP, he has kinda re-energized this front.

 

RSS hit his peak when it was under KS Sudharshan & Ashok Singhal, Mohan Bhagwat is much more "liberal" and diluted.

Edited December 24, 2024 by singhvivek141

[coffee_rules]

15 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

That's why sometimes I feel the abolishing of VHP was a wrong decision in every sense.

Modi during his tenure as GJ CM simply cut the wings of Pravin Togaria and made VHP redundant. Even Bajrang Dal's impact was cut down by large extend.

 

This is another reason why Yogi is not popular with Modi & Shah is because he has his front of Gorakhnath Math as well "Hindu Yuva Vahini", Yogi didn't care much about it once he became CM but after recent even in Parliament and then the internal cracks in UP BJP, he has kinda re-energized this front.

 

RSS hit his peak when it was under KS Sudharshan & Ashok Singhal, Mohan Bhagwat is much more "liberal" and diluted.

Much to the chagrin of liberals, Hindus need organizations like VHP, Bajrang Dal for societal balance and peace. More focus is on SM and MSM  about how these are tagged as Hindutva   extremists . BJP better realize they need them to retain power. 

[mishra]

Shri J Sai Deepak makes you think on whole debate of temple rebuilding 

 

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Much to the chagrin of liberals, Hindus need organizations like VHP, Bajrang Dal for societal balance and peace. More focus is on SM and MSM  about how these are tagged as Hindutva   extremists . BJP better realize they need them to retain power. 

100%

While SM & MSM are important for narrative building and providing cover fire...the real action happens on the ground, by the workers.

 

BJP lost a big chunk of its ground workers in WB post election violence, did nothing to protect them and accordingly lost whatever ground they had.

 

States like MP, UP, Haryana where ground workers are empowered (to an extent Bihar as well), they are reciprocating with might and maintaining the balance.

 

 

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