Vaibhav Suryavanshi another Naseem Shah

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

It should be changed to an under 23 world cup to remove age fudging advantage and for smoother transition of good performers to the senior team or the IPL. Barring rare exceptions, under 19 cricketers are still in developing stage. 

23 is too high. Under 20 is better.

[Rightarmfast]

A 'certain' politician ( who has been incredibly popular for some time now), has 2 different birth certificates in public domain. And we talk about players fudging their DOB! 

[nevada]

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

23 is too high. Under 20 is better.

Under 20 is almost the same as under 19! Maybe under 21 will be better. 

[putrevus]

11 hours ago, nevada said:

It should be changed to an under 23 world cup to remove age fudging advantage and for smoother transition of good performers to the senior team or the IPL. Barring rare exceptions, under 19 cricketers are still in developing stage. 

Under 19 theory is good as it is right age to identify talent, as you have correctly pointed out they are still developing.IMO 23 might be too old to play group cricket.

 

Problem is age fudging and players are getting wrong sense of accomplishment. Guy like Unmukt Chand took it to next level by writing books.

 

Reducing the importance attached to it will solve many issues. 

[NameGoesHere]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:18 PM, Chakdephatte said:

Shubman Gill was born on 8 September 1999.

 

His sister on 16 December 1999. 

 

Age fudging is more common than you think. And it's not as easy to prove. 

Looks like one or the other (or both) had an immaculate conception.

 

They should start a new religion like that Jesus guy. 

[Need4Speed]

23 hours ago, CoverDrive said:

This guy should be banned if caught age fudging. Puts our system at shame 

While I dont support age fudding but in his case if he is playing U19 for India..he is still U19..

Many people do age fudding of 1-2 years from an early age not just for cricket but its normal practice for govt jobs and all..have seen lot of people doing that..

Edited November 28, 2024 by Need4Speed

[NameGoesHere]

I detest age cheats. They cheat the country, the system and their counterparts at every level.

 

While playing age cricket, they prevent young honest competitors from fulfilling their potential. Low ceiling cheaters playing because of age advantage destroy careers of potentially higher ceiling players who are actually the right age.

I wonder how many potential star players we have lost because over age cheaters grabbed spots from honest cricketers who then lost interest or circumstances forced them to move on.

 

Once officially out of age groups (above 23) most fail to kick on because they are 2-5 years older, and have already reached their ceiling.  Because of this they have cheated their country and their domestic teams.

 

Even when selected for national duty, it’s difficult to do long term planning of the player you are investing in is 30, and not 26/27 as you may be assuming.  
 

I believe that it’s one of the worst things in cricket.  

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

I detest age cheats. They cheat the country, the system and their counterparts at every level.

 

While playing age cricket, they prevent young honest competitors from fulfilling their potential. Low ceiling cheaters playing because of age advantage destroy careers of potentially higher ceiling players who are actually the right age.

I wonder how many potential star players we have lost because over age cheaters grabbed spots from honest cricketers who then lost interest or circumstances forced them to move on.

 

Once officially out of age groups (above 23) most fail to kick on because they are 2-5 years older, and have already reached their ceiling.  Because of this they have cheated their country and their domestic teams.

 

Even when selected for national duty, it’s difficult to do long term planning of the player you are investing in is 30, and not 26/27 as you may be assuming.  
 

I believe that it’s one of the worst things in cricket.  

Right now age fudging is v.common , most of the players in the age grp are atleast 2/3 years older than the limit. So curve balances itself in terms of competition.

The issue is rampant in sub-continent thats why you see u19 teams from here winning or advancing in the u19wc. And when these player comes into the intnl sides 

are in no competition to SENA player who during their age group were looking like atleast 2/3 level below the sub-continent player.

 

Due to age fudging sub-continent players finds their prime early and their prime ends early too. 

 

If there is any suspicion of Suryavanshi being older than what he claims to be should be tested and verified. 

 

 

https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2024/Nov/13/designated-captain-of-u19-hyderabad-team-five-others-banned-for-age-fraud-3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

A 'certain' politician ( who has been incredibly popular for some time now), has 2 different birth certificates in public domain. And we talk about players fudging their DOB! 

Politicians dob doesn't matter. There is no age cut off for politics but there is in cricket which right age players.

[NameGoesHere]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Right now age fudging is v.common , most of the players in the age grp are atleast 2/3 years older than the limit. So curve balances itself in terms of competition…..

The competition curve only balances for those others who are also cheating.  Think about what I said.

 

The guys who aren’t cheating have a higher chance of failure. 1-2 years ago is a significant advantage at that age.

 

They are lost to the system.  A talented kid whose parents insist he goes back to studies because he can’t make his age group, or because they can’t afford to invest in him any more. 
 

I wonder how many (forget SRTs or Gavaskar) Samsons, Gills and  Akash Deeps this country has lost to the cheats. How many potentially good to great Ranji players. 

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Politicians dob doesn't matter. There is no age cut off for politics but there is in cricket which right age players.

What are you talking about dude? What matters is INTEGRITY. If the politicians of India, and ones who are leading the country are giving forged documents, what moral compass is left to question young players? 

 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, NameGoesHere said:

I detest age cheats. They cheat the country, the system and their counterparts at every level.

 

While playing age cricket, they prevent young honest competitors from fulfilling their potential. Low ceiling cheaters playing because of age advantage destroy careers of potentially higher ceiling players who are actually the right age.

I wonder how many potential star players we have lost because over age cheaters grabbed spots from honest cricketers who then lost interest or circumstances forced them to move on.

 

Once officially out of age groups (above 23) most fail to kick on because they are 2-5 years older, and have already reached their ceiling.  Because of this they have cheated their country and their domestic teams.

 

Even when selected for national duty, it’s difficult to do long term planning of the player you are investing in is 30, and not 26/27 as you may be assuming.  
 

I believe that it’s one of the worst things in cricket.  

Age group cricket is very important in India and if you don't play any kind of age group cricket, it becomes difficult for you to come into spotlight. It's the reason so many players fudge their age but players who don't fudge struggle. A 14 year old trying to play u14 won't be able to compete with a 16 year old who is also competing for u14 through fudged documents. I have seen 30+ years old trying to play u23 cricket.

Edited November 29, 2024 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

The competition curve only balances for those others who are also cheating.  Think about what I said.

 

The guys who aren’t cheating have a higher chance of failure. 1-2 years ago is a significant advantage at that age.

 

They are lost to the system.  A talented kid whose parents insist he goes back to studies because he can’t make his age group, or because they can’t afford to invest in him any more. 
 

I wonder how many (forget SRTs or Gavaskar) Samsons, Gills and  Akash Deeps this country has lost to the cheats. How many potentially good to great Ranji players. 

True. I took my son to u14 district trial last year. He was 13 year 3 months old. But when I went there I daw 6 feet 2-3 inches plus tall guys coming for trials who were obviously older than 13 year olds. One guy came and started hitting sixes for fun. He was at least 17. How can a actual 13-14 year old will compete with 16-17 year olds. Everyone is telling me ke age kam Kara lo which I don't want to do.

Edited November 29, 2024 by rkt.india

[NameGoesHere]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

True. I took my son to u14 district trial last year. He was 13 year 3 months old. But when I went there I daw 6 feet 2-3 inches plus tall guys coming for trials who were obviously older than 13 year olds. One guy came and started hitting sixes for fun. He was at least 17. How can an actual 13-14 year old will compete with 16-17 year olds. Everyone is telling me ke age kam Kara lo which I don't want to do.

This is the exact point I’m making.

 

Let’s say your son has a very high potential ceiling.  
 

But now he can’t get a game.  So he’s “failing”.
 

Let’s say that you as a parent transfer out (a moveable job) or don’t have the money or lose interest.  After all your son is a “failure”.
 

Your son is lost to the system; meanwhile that 17 year old can’t go anywhere higher and fizzles out.  

Multiply that experience tens of thousands of times and the large number of actually talented people lost to the system.  You realise it’s a catastrophe for India, for the honest player and for the sport.

 

In don’t know how effective the tech is to catch age fudgers but I recommend draconian laws - up to lifetime bans 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by NameGoesHere

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

True. I took my son to u14 district trial last year. He was 13 year 3 months old. But when I went there I daw 6 feet 2-3 inches plus tall guys coming for trials who were obviously older than 13 year olds. One guy came and started hitting sixes for fun. He was at least 17. How can a actual 13-14 year old will compete with 16-17 year olds. Everyone is telling me ke age kam Kara lo which I don't want to do.

Pehle toh age group level pe hi age detection mechanism hona chahiye wahi se hi life ban laga do

Edited November 29, 2024 by Suhaan

[rkt.india]

21 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Pehle toh age group level pe hi age detection mechanism hona chahiye wahi se hi life ban laga do

Hota hai. They do bone test at u16 level but only after players got selected. by that time, most actual age players are already out. Also bone test can vary by 6 months to 1 year. 

[maniac]

Dhoni fudged his age by 7 yrs. Thala  for a reason

[maniac]

@Lord @Austin 3:!6 please delete the duplicates

Edited November 29, 2024 by maniac

[neel roy]

The only guy who actually lost his career was Manjot Kalra dubbed the next Shikhar Dhawan. He played well in the u19 wc which india won. 

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, neel roy said:

The only guy who actually lost his career was Manjot Kalra dubbed the next Shikhar Dhawan. He played well in the u19 wc which india won. 

Rasikh Salaam had also endured 2 years ban but now doing well. Manjot couldn't do well on his come back and got lost.